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Sevanw

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I think it's funny that android fans always think someone has an Apple bias if they just prefer the Apple product.

Did you read the article? I'm guessing you didn't as your response is off target. The article had nothing to do with android or its users.
 

kepler20b

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can you change note 4 color balance across all apps and usage patterns, with a unified setting?

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What contrast benchmarks?

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notice something funny between the first two and the last? This is taken from the same review on the same webpage:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8666/the-apple-ipad-air-2-review/7
 

2984839

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Marketing can hype a product all it likes but if the product is rubbish, people won't buy it. Personally I think the iPhone gets a hard time from tech sites and it's not always justified. Not everybody has the same criteria when buying a phone and many reviews fail to realise that. I've read sites that criticise Apples devices and get a lot of support from readers, but the following week when a more positive story is published they are accused by the same people of bias and being paid by Apple. I just hope we get honest reviews rather than pressure from Apple in some cases and the opposite from readers in others.

That isn't entirely true though. People don't buy things just because of the way they work. Whether they admit to or are aware of it or not, they buy things for many less logical reasons, such as the way the product looks, how it gets them attention from their friends, the brand's social status or image, etc.

Apple could sell poor products and millions would buy them because it says Apple on it. That's what happens when you have a cult following. Eventually, the market would figure it out and Apple would lose their popularity. Perhaps it would happen much sooner if the product was really bad. But still, the fact that people buy things doesn't make them good.

As it stands right now, Apple can easily sell mediocrity, possibly sub-mediocrity. I don't think they can get away with selling total garbage.
 

Stuntman06

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Everyone is bias to some degree. All reporters and bloggers are human and will exhibit some degree of bias. You just have to understand their bias when reading articles. It doesn't mean that you cannot be well informed by reading articles. I have come to accept that tech articles and social media posts have some form of bias. You're not going to get them to change their bias. Just take it for what it is.
 

Tsuchiya

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I don't understand this complaint when just about every review site praises or criticizes the same phones. Nobody dislikes the iPhone 6, and everybody liked the Moto X 2014. What bias...

Sites like the Verge offer similar views as others but when it comes down to it, the Apple bias shows. They'll downplay issues with iOS or iPhones which they would zero in on if it was a competitor.

In their "this is your next" videos, Apple products will be pushed ahead of the competition, but their reasoning doesn't add up.

iPhones are good, I rock a 6 Plus myself, but The Verges reviews are worth jack ****.

Reviewers like Lisa Gade from MobileTechReview do a good job, their conclusions are are a lot more balanced.
 

The-Real-Deal82

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That isn't entirely true though. People don't buy things just because of the way they work. Whether they admit to or are aware of it or not, they buy things for many less logical reasons, such as the way the product looks, how it gets them attention from their friends, the brand's social status or image, etc.

Apple could sell poor products and millions would buy them because it says Apple on it. That's what happens when you have a cult following. Eventually, the market would figure it out and Apple would lose their popularity. Perhaps it would happen much sooner if the product was really bad. But still, the fact that people buy things doesn't make them good.
Indeed, I understand marketing its a large part of my job in product design. My point was if the iPhone was indeed over hyped and rubbish, it wouldn't be this popular 7 years on despite groups feeling it gives them social status or brand association. It just so happens the iPhone is 'one' of the best phones on the market and the marketing it is given helps, but I maintain if it was bad, it wouldn't have maintained its popularity.

I appreciate certain products like the VW Beetle, Star Wars, Game of Thrones to name a few have cult followings, but these are born because the product is very good in the first place. If you say the Apple iPhone has joined these ranks then I don't think that does them any harm. It puts pressure on them to continue to produce good products though and so far they have succeeded in this task.
As it stands right now, Apple can easily sell mediocrity, possibly sub-mediocrity. I don't think they can get away with selling total garbage.
I don't think Apple would take the risk making products that fall into the mediocrity sector. I know it can be easy to get complacent with living off past triumphs, but I have a little more faith that Apple know how to maintain their offerings at present. There is too much to lose and with a smartphone market that is hugely competitive, a sub par product could dramatically affect their profits.

A product is only worth what people are willing to pay for it at the end of the day. I certainly wouldn't buy the iPhone if it was a bad product or I thought I could get something better elsewhere for my 'personal' needs. I love the fact there is choice and the moment one company starts making crap products, it has an effect across the board because others will do what they think they can get away with. :)
 

Benched08

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Sites like the Verge offer similar views as others but when it comes down to it, the Apple bias shows. They'll downplay issues with iOS or iPhones which they would zero in on if it was a competitor.

In their "this is your next" videos, Apple products will be pushed ahead of the competition, but their reasoning doesn't add up.

iPhones are good, I rock a 6 Plus myself, but The Verges reviews are worth jack ****.

Reviewers like Lisa Gade from MobileTechReview do a good job, their conclusions are are a lot more balanced.

I like the Verge's reviews. Just because they put the iPhone slighty ahead in This Is My Next doesn't show any bias, unless we are ready to say that anytime a site puts an Android phone ahead they show bias. The Verge always points out flaws in Apple products, like ugly antenna lines, the unused screen real estate on the 6 Plus, Apple's crazed obsession with thinness, to name a few. I'm not saying there aren't very Pro-Apple tech sites, but there are equally many Pro-Google sites. I just don't think the Verge is one of them.
 

beosound3200

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That they included the Tab S only when it was worse in a specific performance area.

Why would they put zero or infinite in those graphs?

Anyone willing to read those 5 page long reviews already knows that oled displays have infinite contrast, except you two?
 

beosound3200

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Everyone is bias to some degree. All reporters and bloggers are human and will exhibit some degree of bias. You just have to understand their bias when reading articles. It doesn't mean that you cannot be well informed by reading articles. I have come to accept that tech articles and social media posts have some form of bias. You're not going to get them to change their bias. Just take it for what it is.

absolutely.

also, i think the amount of bias towards apple is also very telling, they must be doing something right and i dont think its marketing.
 

Fernandez21

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That they included the Tab S only when it was worse in a specific performance area.

Out Of curiosity, Where would the tab stand in those charts? Could it be they just took a chunk from the general area of where the iPad stands since the review is about the ipad? Meaning, instead of showing a chart with 100 tablets and the iPad being in the 50's, they just took ten from the 50's range? Or possibly 10 of the closest 30 by popularity?
 

Fanaticalism

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Why would they put zero or infinite in those graphs?

Anyone willing to read those 5 page long reviews already knows that oled displays have infinite contrast, except you two?



Firstly, I was responding to your query of "what am i looking for". I was merely pointing it out.

Second, Please tell me you're joking... You can't be that bias. A review, is a review. If comparisons are to be made they should carry consistency across all categories.

Since your logic is that anyone willing to read those long reviews would know the difference, what about all the people sit around on these forums arguing til their blue in the face stating things as fact because they were left out of a review? Go look at the 6plus vs note 4 threads.

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Out Of curiosity, Where would the tab stand in those charts? Could it be they just took a chunk from the general area of where the iPad stands since the review is about the ipad? Meaning, instead of showing a chart with 100 tablets and the iPad being in the 50's, they just took ten from the 50's range? Or possibly 10 of the closest 30 by popularity?

Let me ask you this... If you're shopping for a new product and you see comparisons being drawn, wouldn't you want to know how those products compare across all metrics and not just where the primary subject excels?

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absolutely.

also, i think the amount of bias towards apple is also very telling, they must be doing something right and i dont think its marketing.

The UX on Apple is fantastic. No stone goes unturned when it comes to attention to detail and people naturally appreciate that even if they can't put their finger on what it is exactly they like. No one has the complete package but Apple is certainly the best when you put together both hardware and software.

JMO of course.
 

beosound3200

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Firstly, I was responding to your query of "what am i looking for". I was merely pointing it out.

Second, Please tell me you're joking... You can't be that bias. A review, is a review. If comparisons are to be made they should carry consistency across all categories.

Since your logic is that anyone willing to read those long reviews would know the difference, what about all the people sit around on these forums arguing til their blue in the face stating things as fact because they were left out of a review? Go look at the 6plus vs note 4 threads.

okay, let me rephrase this

why would anyone measure the brightness of a turned of screen?
 

I7guy

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That isn't entirely true though. People don't buy things just because of the way they work. Whether they admit to or are aware of it or not, they buy things for many less logical reasons, such as the way the product looks, how it gets them attention from their friends, the brand's social status or image, etc.

Apple could sell poor products and millions would buy them because it says Apple on it. That's what happens when you have a cult following. Eventually, the market would figure it out and Apple would lose their popularity. Perhaps it would happen much sooner if the product was really bad. But still, the fact that people buy things doesn't make them good.

As it stands right now, Apple can easily sell mediocrity, possibly sub-mediocrity. I don't think they can get away with selling total garbage.

It's interesting how your world shapes your perceptions. I disagree with the entire premise behind your post with maybe one exception:

1. People do buy things based on how they work as long as form merges with function. Apple is a master at that: "it just works".
2. Immaturity from the observers point of is where it's at when its claimed purchase is solely for social status or image ignoring best in class traits.
3.marketing 101 people don't buy junk products.
4. Sales 101 it's all about the sales. Period.
 

beosound3200

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You completely missed my point. :(

i think you missed mine.

would a car reviewer be biased if he didnt state fuel consumption comparison with other cars in his review of tesla s?

is it really necessary for him to state zero? or is it a given since we're talking about an electric car? in anandtech case, oled displays
 

gotluck

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i think you missed mine.

would a car reviewer be biased if he didnt state fuel consumption comparison with other cars in his review of tesla s?

is it really necessary for him to state zero? or is it a given since we're talking about an electric car? in anandtech case, oled displays

I would keep the charts consistent, personally

irrespective of the values

it is a little peculiar
 

Liquorpuki

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It's interesting how your world shapes your perceptions. I disagree with the entire premise behind your post with maybe one exception:

1. People do buy things based on how they work as long as form merges with function. Apple is a master at that: "it just works".
2. Immaturity from the observers point of is where it's at when its claimed purchase is solely for social status or image ignoring best in class traits.
3.marketing 101 people don't buy junk products.
4. Sales 101 it's all about the sales. Period.

You're underestimating the power of branding. That tech illiterate grandma doesn't buy an iMac because she's thought about form vs function or weighed tech specs in her head. She buys it because of brand strength, which Apple has a lot of.

And Apple used to be a master of it just works. Now it's a master of convincing people it just works even when it doesn't. Per the linked articles, Apple blacklisting publications that don't print what they want probably has something to do with it.
 

I7guy

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You're underestimating the power of branding. That tech illiterate grandma doesn't buy an iMac because she's thought about form vs function or weighed tech specs in her head. She buys it because of brand strength, which Apple has a lot of.

And Apple used to be a master of it just works. Now it's a master of convincing people it just works even when it doesn't. Per the linked articles, Apple blacklisting publications that don't print what they want probably has something to do with it.

Even though I'm a pc guy, we got aunty a Mac and iPhone. "They just work".

Purchase has nothing to do with brand strength and everything to do with her requirements for an integrated easy to use environment.

Bravo for Apple it can control the bs surrounding its products. Not all companies can do it.
 
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