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Apple wants $600 for 1TB SSD while Samsung's 1TB m.2 sells for $229
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Just look at them.If true, even better
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There are no SLC M.2 or 1TB SSDs. That technology became extremely rare a long time ago.
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They don’t buy SSD, they only buy MLC memory chip, the controller is the proprietary T2 chip that does quite a few thing that a samsung controller do not, to name one decode/encode HVEC 30 times faster than an intel processor. But you can do just fine with a windows machine.
Also if we need to do comparisons a single bus thunderbolt controller pci card with 2 thunderbolt ports cost 90 dollars
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I'm pretty sure that HP doesn't have an internal power supply, so complaining about the added footprint of a slim m.2 enclosure versus a power brick seems like a weird hill to die on.
Apple does charge a premium for its upgrades, but it's A) not significantly more than other OEMS in most instances (buying RAM from HP for example will cost you way more than Apple) and B) not 200% more for the comparable item like this thread's supposition.
You can complain that Apple doesn't sell slower SSDs that are also much cheaper, and I'd agree with you that it adds cost that some people really wouldn't mind not paying for. But it's also not a good apples-to-apples comparison.
So what was PJivan point in post #45? I'd ask him but I doubt I would get an answer.
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T2 != TLC.
Thunderwhat??? Who needs Thunderbolt when I have PCIe.
Point is mlc and tlc has nothing to do with slc, which I never mentioned so at this point I think you are just trolling
I’ve mentioned mlc and t2 controller
A 960GB 1.7PB TBW M.2 NVMe TLC SSD costs 250 euro.
A 960GB 1.4PB TBW M.2 NVMe MLC SSD costs 300 euro.
A 1TB 1.2PB TBW M.2 NVMe MLC SSD costs 340 euro.
A 1.6TB 4.4PB TBW M.2 NVMe MLC SSD costs 600 euro (but it is 110mm long).
Ok so you are trolling, got it
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Is there anything relevant to the post you quoted?
You brought up TLC in post #45:
"Yes you can buy a TLC memory for less..."
Presumably because you had a point though what that point is escapes me.
That you have to look at Apple's endurance specs to assess whether the SSD is way overpriced.
I do, this is the mac mini section for people who want, you know a mini pc, I understand it’s all very confusing for you, T2, mlc, tlc, slc, controllers that encode, mini pc, but try to focus and contextualise.
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Do they also encode HEVC? But more importantly are you telling me that Apple cost more? OMG I never knew it, I just found out Apple has been never cheaper or inline with pc prices and so did you apparently.
It is about HOW MUCH more they cost.
You can hardware encode HEVC with a relatively new GPU.
They cost twice, but T2 controller has also some other nice perks, so you either swallow the prices, use and external ssd and keep some of thos perks, buy that hp with external power supply and upgrade everything or stay with lower specs, or you can just buy a tower case.
You can decode them just fine but you cannot encode them as fast, not even close, quick sync would be faster and is 30 times slower than a T2, but look, I’m Not asking you to buy a mac, you really seems oriented for a pc and you should go for it.
So question: Does anyone know of a compact Thunderbolt 3 enclosure that can I can put an M.2 into and take full advantage of it's speed?
The only one confused here is you. You're unable to differentiate between the T2 chip and SSD NAND types. I understand technology confuses you but please do not attribute your lack of knowledge to others.
Couldn't agree more. The whole race to make the 'fastest' ssd is ridiculous, since the only scenario where a super fast SSD really helps is with transferring HUGE files. But ... most people can't afford more than a 512gb Apple SSD, which means there won't be many huge file transfers going on with that setup.
It's a riddle: The only drive that really makes the speeds worth it is the 2TB ssd option, but the price makes it not worth it.
Are you kidding me, you were comparing samsung evo with tlc price to Apple mlc, after I told you so you came up with slc( that has nothing to do with) and then you said apple T2 = TLC, are you drinking? Read the topic again.
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If you want a ready package samsung X5 has it for you.
Wich mean “off course TLC ssd cost less, compare it to MLC since both samsung pro and apple use MLC memory”, why did you mention SLC? Did I ever mention it? Did you got confused? Also why you were comparing a TCL memory to an MLC to increase the gap and make Apple looks worst than it is? What’s your point?
Also when I was pointing out that even a SSD with MLC can’t be conpared to Apple SSD since apple controller (the T2) do much more than just being a NAND controller you said that T2 = TLC what do you mean by that? Care to elaborate?
Exactly.
Add to that... you'll only get super-fast transfer speeds of those huge files if BOTH drives are capable of those speeds. So if your Mac's internal SSD is 3,000MB/s read and 2000MB/s write... you'll need the OTHER drive to have the same rated specs too. Or else you'll be at the mercy of the slower drive's speed.
The last Mac mini before this one already had soldered RAM. But the HDD was accessible since it was still a spinning disk in most models.That Samsung external SSD, the price will come down eventually hopefully next year.
I think Next-gen Mac Mini, the RAM might be soldered just like SSD
You're right, however, Who knows what the future will hold for the next-gen Mac Mini.
At this point I think you, PJivan, are the biggest troll on the thread and I hope the guy you
reported returns the favor. I think the administrator will side with him after reading all your
posts.
The reviews I read online say the 970 PRO mops the floor with all competitors. I also read
that the 970 EVO is nearly as fast as the 970 PRO in most tests. You have not provided any
proof that the Toshiba SSD apple uses is faster than either the Samsung 970 PRO or 970 EVO
for that matter. The T2 encryption chip does nothing for me. I've never had one before so
I won't miss it nor will it convince me that it's worth the expense. Most people have encrypted
their sensitive files using software encryption for 20+ years.
Samsung is also the most reliable SSD out there. What happens to your mini when that soldered
in Toshiba SSD fails? I believe that means the whole motherboard with soldered-in CPU and
soldered-in Toshiba SSD is now junk. With the HP Slice you just swap out the socketed m.2 SSD
or socketed CPU. Super awesome on HP's part for looking after the customer. With apple you get
to buy a new machine. More profit for apple. yay for apple.
I would bet on Samsung performance over Toshiba
I would bet on Samsung reliability over Toshiba
I would take Samsung's MUCH lower price over Toshiba
I would bet on a socketed M.2 SSD over soldered-in SSD that takes the motherboard and CPU with it
Most of your arguments are not holding much water. At least to me..
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