People like to toss the GB/sec numbers around without qualifying they're applicable to sequential reads. As the majority of casual user disk access is random, which is in the tens to low hundreds of MB/sec, the majority of these users will rarely, if ever, see or benefit from these speeds. A high quality SATA SSD will be more than sufficient for these users. Having said that this is not to say I'm against the move to NVMe SSDs and faster versions of them.
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Apple wants $600 for 1TB SSD while Samsung's 1TB m.2 sells for $229
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I really wish they used the i7 8700t not the i7 8700b it uses 30 watts less. which means they could have kept the pcie and the sata drive like the 2014. it still would let you go for a big fast pcie and ppay top dollar but for a guy like me I would have been able to use a 2tb micron in the sata slot at a low cost say 300 bucks.
right now I can buy a 4tb samsung ssd sata drive for 700 -70 = 630 - 12 = 618 for 4tb and grab a set of 2 external backups for about 300 total 918. which is around 500 lower then the 2tb ssd apple offers. that is a lot of money.
right now I can buy a 4tb samsung ssd sata drive for 700 -70 = 630 - 12 = 618 for 4tb and grab a set of 2 external backups for about 300 total 918. which is around 500 lower then the 2tb ssd apple offers. that is a lot of money.
Dude Evo vs Pro provides no performance difference. Just the warranty 5 years for EVO and 10 years for Pro. That’s it.
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Definitely! I would prefer a 4TB 500MB/s SSD over a 512GB 3000MB/s SSD.
I don't want an internal SATA drive in 2018 in a new computer. really, i think its a waste of resources.
8700T has base frequency of 2.4GHz and 8700B 3.2GHz. I much prefer a stronger CPU to SATA. Why do you want an internal SATA drive anyway? You can hang 4x SATA on a single Thunderbolt 3 port and still not saturate it. If you don't care for Thunderbolt, USB3 SATA enclosures are dirt cheap.
All I can say is wow. Please don't talk till you learn about the differences. They have the same warranty. lol
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12674/samsung-announces-970-pro-and-970-evo-nvme-ssds
There's a ton of difference between the EVO and Pro if you perform any sustained writes. The SLC in the EVO will get full and write performance tanks.
Well that is a shame. It used to be the case where EVO was 5 year warranty and Pro was 10.
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I agree. I know there are those that like to open a box and mess around, but we are in an external world now. I can have 50 drives on my system and all it takes is a cable to plug in. No turning off and getting inside. Speed does not suffer either.
If you saw how easy it is to access the dell optiplex 7060 micro you would not say that.
Apple made a nice upgrade with the 2018 but they really took away a lot of customer choice with the soldered ssd. Which is now known to have coil whine. I have owned , modded and sold over 500 mac minis since 2006. when I see the dell optiplex 7060 micro and I see apples 2018 once again I feel apple dropped the ball. The dell's machine has the exact same foot print as the mac mini.
I want a neat look I can have a 2tb pcie nvme m.2 and a 4tb ssd inside it.
Good forbid the i7 8700t is not ballsy enough I can remove it and put in a i7 8700k which is as fast or faster the the 8700b. the flexibility of the dell makes the apple look uptight and miserly .
I can add on the egpu I can swap out ram. I do not know if it will take 2 sticks of 32 gb ram but I know I can mismatch a 2400 16gb stick and a 2133 16gb stick and run trouble free at 32gb 2133.
So at the moment the biggest pcie I find is 2tb
the biggest sata ssd is 4tb.
So for a neat look the dell holds 6tb internally and it can be removed in under 1 minute for sata
2-3 minutes for sata and pcie
The ram is under 5 minutes. a simple screwdriver the only tool needed.
Apple is forever for the ssd
and 15-30 minutes with multiple tools for the ram
that dell will allow me to put in any of these cpus
i7 8700k
i7 8700
i7 8700t
i5 8400k
i5 8400
i5 8400t
i5 8500k
i5 8500
i5 8500t
i3 8300
i3 8300t
i3 8100
i3 8100t
pcie ssd from 64gb to 2tb
sata ssd from 128gb to 4tb
4gb to 32gb for sure
maybe 64gb
I not saying it is better then the 2018 mac mini but the flexibility to mod it upgrade and down grade make the new mini look stiff.
the new mini forces high power use cpus on you.
the dell gives you a full choice
the new mini forces a pcie solder in ssd at a high price
the dell gives you a choice of both or with pcie and sata
the new mini does allow you to put in ram
the dell allows you to put in up to 2666 ram and 32 gb for sure maybe the same 64gb.
the dell one tool for mods a screwdriver
the mini multiple screws for mods.
yeah both need proper static mat
so say 2 tools for dell and six for the mini
dell comes with a 3 year warranty at no cost
mini comes with a 1 year warranty at no cost
dell mods
swap sata drive under 1 minute
swap pcie drive under 2 minutes
swap ram under 5 minutes
swap cpu under 10 minutes
mini mods
swap sata can not do it the sata slot does not exist
swap pcie can not do it without many thousands in specialized tools
swap cpu can not do it without many thousands in special tools
swap ram under 30 minutes
I could forgive apple the cpu
I could forgive apple the lack of a sata slot
I could forgive apple the ram
I can not and will forgive apple the soldered in ssd.
Apple made a nice upgrade with the 2018 but they really took away a lot of customer choice with the soldered ssd. Which is now known to have coil whine. I have owned , modded and sold over 500 mac minis since 2006. when I see the dell optiplex 7060 micro and I see apples 2018 once again I feel apple dropped the ball. The dell's machine has the exact same foot print as the mac mini.
I want a neat look I can have a 2tb pcie nvme m.2 and a 4tb ssd inside it.
Good forbid the i7 8700t is not ballsy enough I can remove it and put in a i7 8700k which is as fast or faster the the 8700b. the flexibility of the dell makes the apple look uptight and miserly .
I can add on the egpu I can swap out ram. I do not know if it will take 2 sticks of 32 gb ram but I know I can mismatch a 2400 16gb stick and a 2133 16gb stick and run trouble free at 32gb 2133.
So at the moment the biggest pcie I find is 2tb
the biggest sata ssd is 4tb.
So for a neat look the dell holds 6tb internally and it can be removed in under 1 minute for sata
2-3 minutes for sata and pcie
The ram is under 5 minutes. a simple screwdriver the only tool needed.
Apple is forever for the ssd
and 15-30 minutes with multiple tools for the ram
that dell will allow me to put in any of these cpus
i7 8700k
i7 8700
i7 8700t
i5 8400k
i5 8400
i5 8400t
i5 8500k
i5 8500
i5 8500t
i3 8300
i3 8300t
i3 8100
i3 8100t
pcie ssd from 64gb to 2tb
sata ssd from 128gb to 4tb
4gb to 32gb for sure
maybe 64gb
I not saying it is better then the 2018 mac mini but the flexibility to mod it upgrade and down grade make the new mini look stiff.
the new mini forces high power use cpus on you.
the dell gives you a full choice
the new mini forces a pcie solder in ssd at a high price
the dell gives you a choice of both or with pcie and sata
the new mini does allow you to put in ram
the dell allows you to put in up to 2666 ram and 32 gb for sure maybe the same 64gb.
the dell one tool for mods a screwdriver
the mini multiple screws for mods.
yeah both need proper static mat
so say 2 tools for dell and six for the mini
dell comes with a 3 year warranty at no cost
mini comes with a 1 year warranty at no cost
dell mods
swap sata drive under 1 minute
swap pcie drive under 2 minutes
swap ram under 5 minutes
swap cpu under 10 minutes
mini mods
swap sata can not do it the sata slot does not exist
swap pcie can not do it without many thousands in specialized tools
swap cpu can not do it without many thousands in special tools
swap ram under 30 minutes
I could forgive apple the cpu
I could forgive apple the lack of a sata slot
I could forgive apple the ram
I can not and will forgive apple the soldered in ssd.
Anyone who requires a more capable GPU doesn't buy a SFF computer, they buy a larger sized system which permits an internal GPU. Unfortunately Apple doesn't offer such a system making eGPU the only option.
Arguably same goes for the cpu swaps and large internal storage.
I dont care about any of the listed chips if mac mini comes with the fastest one.
Yeah that annoys me the most...
I’m afraid when my two computers arrive they will whine
Ok, but it makes no difference how easy it is, there remains a significant part of the tech using population who still won't go inside their device. That includes PC users, of which I know many who won't open theirs.
Comparing the Mini to a 7060 is just another to add to the already full bucket of comparisons saying 'look what you could get instead'. We all know what else is out there, how upgradeable they are and so on.
Would we all prefer to have a socketed CPU and SSD? Of course, but we don't and likely won't.
I guess one could make such an argument but given the form factor can already accommodate swapping these components I would consider it an equivalent argument.
I agree with your sentiment. The question is, how long are we all willing to put up with not having these things (or having them taken away) while prices continue to rise and the gap in price grows? At some point it becomes a bit crazy to choose Apple right?
I know myself, I am struggling. I don't want to quit Apple (iMac sales are tempting me), but I also am really having a hard time paying more than ever for fewer features or outdated hardware when there is another option that is getting cheaper than ever while also gaining more parity with Apple on features, reliability, etc.
If you don't voice your displeasure how is Apple to know? The 2014 model had solder RAM and its replacement now has socketed RAM. I assume Apple returned to socketed RAM due to customer push back. Perhaps the same would happen with the SSD.
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One thing I think we can all agree on is that many of the discussions which have occurred in this forum since the 2018 announcement wouldn't be necessary if some of these things could be upgraded after purchase.
Unfortunately it does not come with the fastest one. The i8700k is faster stock (not by much admittedly) and can be overclocked.
Or it could be the last Mini you ever see and socketed RAM is the only sweetener offered to extend it's life when everyone finds out.
It would be but depending on what they do with the rumoured Modular Mac Pro next year the Mini may not make any sense in the lineup going forward.
Yep I will be skipping this mining hoping the kill it off and go mac pro or imac.
and give me decent options to configure my gear.
Since My needs are simple a mini with
16gb ram and a 2tb internal micron ssd with say the i5 8500t cpu
that would last 5 to 8 years for me.
I think the Mini is a great computer and should continue on. The two systems have different target markets. My only wish for the Mini would be to have a replaceable SSD.
I suspect the Mac Pro is going to be a machine that most people only dream about. The pricing on that is likely to be eye-watering. I suspect it will start at $4000 ($1000 below the iMac Pro), and very quickly ramp up from there. The speed of the i7 mini makes it even more likely that the Pro will be a machine not intended for even a power user, but rather a true professional user who sees it as making them money, not costing them money.