Not really, you're still defending patent infringement with some pretty weak arguments.
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Apple Watch Series 9 and Apple Watch Ultra 2 No Longer Available From U.S. Online Store
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Not sure who you're talking about, but I'm not "rooting for Apple to fall"
I'm rooting for Apple to be held to account for the IP they are using while not properly compensating the rights holders.
If the situation were reversed, Apple would sue the infringer INTO THE GROUND
They need to play by the rules here
That’s great news, Tim.Apple will find a better way to do it
Pretty sure he's trolling.
Apple will just eventually buy Masimo out, much easier purchase than say trying to buy Qualcomm
Money is the root of all evil
Apple is currently suing Masimo, claiming that the 2020 lawsuits were used to gain access to confidential information that Masimo then used to develop their own smartwatch.
That's called pulling a Tengen. It ends badly.
I got Mrs. GS a series 9 about a week ago. I got her the larger one as she liked my Ultra but thought it was a "little too big". I hope she doesn't want to exchange it for the smaller one. That would be awkward.
Did they actually do anything with their „invention“ as the patent holder or does it simply exist to make money off of it (licenses)? If they don’t, it should be revoked after x years. It’s weird
Yes. Masimo manufactures patient monitoring devices.
Nah. Just buy them up, take the IP, and boot everyone in the company.
I think a lot of people takes this too seriously.
This is just how you play the patent system in the US. The goal is not to break any patens at all, but to break as few of them as possible at the lowest possible cost for those you do break and need. Apple is very good at it.
Sometimes you loose, sometimes you win. C'est la vie!
Apple will still be able to sell all their watches outside the US. In the US they can still sell the SE model. And most of the customers won't be lost. What should they do? Buy an Android watch?
And when the presidential review period is over, Apple will appeal in addition to making ITC/US Customs reconsider if the software changes they're making is enough.
This is just how you play the patent system in the US. The goal is not to break any patens at all, but to break as few of them as possible at the lowest possible cost for those you do break and need. Apple is very good at it.
Sometimes you loose, sometimes you win. C'est la vie!
Apple will still be able to sell all their watches outside the US. In the US they can still sell the SE model. And most of the customers won't be lost. What should they do? Buy an Android watch?
And when the presidential review period is over, Apple will appeal in addition to making ITC/US Customs reconsider if the software changes they're making is enough.
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At this point they kind of earned it. Apple played fast and loose and now everyone knows Apple does not have any cards left and can not do much to stop it.
It is either pay up or pay a massive class action if they disable the feature.
Where are you getting your alternate reality news from? Fox??
There was no mis-trial - a judge found Apple infringed in January.
The ITC upheld that ruling and put the import ban into effect.
Which probably will take a few weeks so that’s your option for a post-Christmas gift if you want to gift yourself with a S9 or U2.
Why not just disable the functionality on the software side until they can find another way.
I'm surprised Apple let it get this far. When similar things have happened in the past, they either paid to settle or reached a licensing agreement.
Unlike some suggestions here, I don't think Apple is going to spend $6B to buy Masimo. I don't think the O2 sensor on the Apple Watch makes more than $6B for them, so likely not worth it. They may just have to pay to license the tech, though.
Unlike some suggestions here, I don't think Apple is going to spend $6B to buy Masimo. I don't think the O2 sensor on the Apple Watch makes more than $6B for them, so likely not worth it. They may just have to pay to license the tech, though.
Does anyone rely on the blood oxygen sensor? I’d be fine if they just disable it and be done.
Because that was a feature of the product. Imagine buying a product and then the company disables the very feature that prompted you to buy that product.
That would result in a lawsuit from current watch owners, though. Disabling an existing feature would invite a class-action.
I bought 3 a couple days ago. Now maybe I should say screw giving them as gifts and instead price gouge someone willing to pay more for it right before Christmas. Anyone want an Ultra 2 for $1,500 + $250 handling fee?