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Apple's iPhone Shipments in China Fell 33% Last Month
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Do you expect Tim Cook's removal to change the entire consumption of smartphones in China? Did you not read:
And yet, according to the keypost article, the entire smartphone market in China is down by 30%. So all those specs which excite you don't seem to have excited the Chinese buyers.
Here's some updated pricing information for iPhones in China, including all taxes:
As for me, I currently use an iPhone 14 Pro 256GB and an iPhone 12 Mini 256GB, and I don't plan on upgrading this year.
- iPhone 15: 128GB for $625, 256GB for $735
- iPhone 15 Pro: 128GB for $885, 256GB for $1000
- iPhone 15 Pro Max: 256GB for $1100
As for me, I currently use an iPhone 14 Pro 256GB and an iPhone 12 Mini 256GB, and I don't plan on upgrading this year.
Hmm, wonder why? and it's gonna get worse too. If they don't have jobs=no money, and if the banks don't give it out, you can't buy anything.
So glad to see MacRumors users being ignorant about China once again.
This has little to do with government policies. Fact: For 500 USD after taxes, you can buy a phone with Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 (arguably more powerful than A17), 16 GB of Memory, 512 GB of Storage. An iPhone that is on par in terms of performance is twice the price. More than 1 Billion people in China earn less than the price of a basic iPhone 15 for their monthly income. When China's economy slows down, it is little wonder people stop buying luxury goods.
Sure, iPhones have better overall experience, but does that justify the 2x price tag?
This has little to do with government policies. Fact: For 500 USD after taxes, you can buy a phone with Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 (arguably more powerful than A17), 16 GB of Memory, 512 GB of Storage. An iPhone that is on par in terms of performance is twice the price. More than 1 Billion people in China earn less than the price of a basic iPhone 15 for their monthly income. When China's economy slows down, it is little wonder people stop buying luxury goods.
Sure, iPhones have better overall experience, but does that justify the 2x price tag?
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Nothing unusual here its the way of business with China. Products go to China, China deconstructs and a Chinese product takes the market. Same with virtually all devices including EV's. Happened with DVD recorders and so ad infinitum.
I know you are a different commenter, but nothing you wrote are "actionable and realistic steps" to counteract sales in China. "Make better product" is vague. What specifically needs to be better? What specific features would Chinese and buyers worldwide be interested in that would make Apple's sales increase?
I appreciate you providing specific answers. Too many commenters criticize without offering solutions. It's easy to complain but harder to fix.
Or perhaps the market expectation of a new product line every 12 months is the problem?
Of course it means there are only incremental changes year on year.
And more people, in a mature market, find their phones still work well enough for a two or three year upgrade cycle.
Rampant consumerism pushed all manufacturers to deliver something shiny and new and wonderful every 12 months.
After 15 iterations of the smart phone model, and massive advances in that time to hardware and software, it just can't continue forever. Apple has done what every other company does in saturated marketplace: divide features and function and designs into different price points. We are a long way from a one phone 3.5" screen in one colour meeting market needs.
The biggest competitor to a new phone is the one you and billions of other people already hold in your hand.
With Cost of Living, inflation, multiple warfronts and rising interest rates it was the perfect storm for people to hold onto their old phones. Tell someone in a country with 112% inflation they need a new phone. Tell someone with triple energy bills they should upgrade.
Of course it means there are only incremental changes year on year.
And more people, in a mature market, find their phones still work well enough for a two or three year upgrade cycle.
Rampant consumerism pushed all manufacturers to deliver something shiny and new and wonderful every 12 months.
After 15 iterations of the smart phone model, and massive advances in that time to hardware and software, it just can't continue forever. Apple has done what every other company does in saturated marketplace: divide features and function and designs into different price points. We are a long way from a one phone 3.5" screen in one colour meeting market needs.
The biggest competitor to a new phone is the one you and billions of other people already hold in your hand.
With Cost of Living, inflation, multiple warfronts and rising interest rates it was the perfect storm for people to hold onto their old phones. Tell someone in a country with 112% inflation they need a new phone. Tell someone with triple energy bills they should upgrade.
When EVERY criticism, no matter how small, becomes the focus of these specific members squealing “hate!” and “go away!” and “bully!” it’s pointless to quibble over degrees. These guys create just as much problematic content as they constantly whine about.
But...where? Can you name one country with the same cheap labor and manufacture lines, and with the same friendly, stable, convenient business environment? With lots of competitive local android brands (needless to say about Huawei), China couldn't be more friendly to Apple. It is the only kind of country with the ability to efficiently build high-speed railways in such a short time, and the same efficiency apply to building manufacture lines that meet Apple's high standards. China and Apple are in a relationship of cooperation, not mutual love.
Spot on comment.
The ecosystem is riddled by a plethora of issues, bugs and glitches. People start noticing finally.
There is not a single day where I don’t come across some sort of issue. HomePod can’t add reminders because my phone is not on the network (it is!), emails not loading, attachments not downloading, macOS can’t switch between user accounts, Siri saying it is not connected to the internet but it is playing music in streaming, HomeKit devices not responding, iPhone lagging, iCloud not syncing, macOS not able to activate Siri, continuity not working, personal hotspot can’t be found, I could go on for two days.
Music for my ears as well!!
Did you read the article where it said how the Chinese government has an iPhone ban in many areas.
It's hardly surprising that the sales went down on a product that can't be used.
I'm not sure how you can make this claim with the Chinese government banning iPhone use in government and companies.
So overall Chiness smartphone sales dropped by about 33% in February, and Apple was just another one of the vendors in this overall drop?
Because not everyone works the government or government owned businesses.
Agreed but if the government is saying Apple is bad, who would want to be seen with an iPhone ?
Thats a valid point. But the ban is nothing new, as it has been around when iPhone is selling crazy. You also can't drive Teslas into government building parking lots, but that hasn't stopped people from buying Teslas.
Every single day I ask Siri: "Siri, what's the temperature outside"
This morning .. "something went wrong, please try again in a bit (paraphrasing..can't recall exact words)"
Tried 3 more times over 20 mins, never worked
A few hours later it worked again.. "fun"