Therein lies the problem. Macs are not basic computers. They’re premium computers.
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lol you ran with YOUR OWN LINK thinking you had a gotcha. now all of the sudden it's "nah! you cherry picked". you don't get to walk back on your own link you provided. Admit you were wrong with your own link please.
if it was discontinued, why did Apple still continue support? if Apple were greedy, they'd just stop support one year after they discontinued production to encourage users to buy a new machine. Yet they continued to add feature support on a machine discontinued 2-3 years ago.
see the 8 years of features support for the Mac Pro 2013. explain the greed in that.
as I just stated, Mac Pro 2013 has had 8 years of feature support, not including security updates.
Even if it was 6 years of features (which many more Macs have had), that still go against your reason. again, explain the greed in that.
talk about bad logic.
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They have not. OTOH, they have actually increased now that most apps are literally a web browser instance. Per app. Even 1password is electron based, which means it uses its own chrome browser to render the UI. This is why most apps nowadays are hundreds of mb each even when they are very simple. Apps used to be written using native apis which required a fraction of the resources.
you said macs, all you manage to dig up is one discounted mac that got no successor apple can sell. admit your own before pointing fingers 😂
cause apple don't got a direct replacement for it, if they do you bet they would drop it like all the other 2017 macs even though 2018 macs aren't even that different cpu architecture wise.
again bad logic, the whole trying to neutralize apple isn't greedy for up charging ram 10x, by stating apple provides software support on a discontinued but yet no successor is in sight, I bet you as soon as apple release a AS version of the 27inch imac, that 2017 model is instantly gonna be gone from that last. you need to open you eyes and follow the dollar sign.
I don't need to, you are clearly demonstrating it.
Barring games, I can't think of a piece of software that the general consumer would want or have to use, which uses that much ram. That would have to be a particularly specialised piece of software for very niche uses (possibly video editing), and the people who use it know who they are, and they know better than to try and run it on a Mac with only 8gb of ram. These are also the people who will likely have opted for a Mac Studio or a MBP with more ram.
And I think that Mac users have generally accepted not running game son their devices. Sucks, but I also suspect the issue with Macs has always been their low market share, not so much their specs.
I can see the argument that if all Apple Silicon Macs started with 16gb ram, that might give app developers more headroom to work with, but again, what sort of software specifically targets general users and requires more than 8gb of ram to run properly? The most taxing piece of software I might run on my MBA is perhaps Zoom? And even that tends to chew through battery life more than it does ram.
Mac Pro and iMac Pro got 7 years of feature updates.
+ MacBook Air Mid 2013 got 7 years of feature updates
+ MacBook Pro Late 2013 got 7 years of feature updates
+ iMac late 2012 got 7 years of feature updates
+ MacBook Air 2012 got 7 years of feature updates
+ MacBook Pro 2012 got 7 years of feature updates
+ Mac mini 2012 got 7 years of feature updates
shall I go on? 😂
I like how you're so very particular with the word "Macs", yet all I said was "software updates" which would include security updates. but even removing security updates and moving your goal post to "feature updates", my point still holds up quite nicely. 😂
relevant how? are iMac Pro users never going to buy a different Mac? that's a ridiculously dumb goal post you moved to.
regardless, Mac Pro got a direct replacement in 2019, yet Mac Pro 2013 still got FEATURE updates in 2021. and see the above for more Mac models getting 7 years of feature updates. 😂
see above
see above.
clearly, you're refusing to admit you were wrong, despite the evidence that proves you obviously were wrong. so I'm moving on.
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8 gb as base is fine, it works. my only issue is apple ripping us off on ram / ssd upgrade cost when they have came down significantly in last 10 years. they are charging 2-3x market retail price, never mind what apple‘s wholesale price. For that ,,!,, Tim Cook
It's probably the number one reason for people to NOT buy a Mac. Or maybe #2 behind perceived+real cost/performance.
I bought a nintendo switch during the pandemic and barring 1 or 2 games, I haven't really touched it all that much, except to charge it once a week. Not being able to game on my Mac hasn't really been a drawback, when I hardly ever game these days.
You don't miss what you don't need.
sure, go on, keep ignoring my main point that using software updates is a weak excuse cause its such a bare minimum for industry standard.
most folks buy into imac for the form factor, at work we still got these 2017 imacs because of the all in one factor. apple knows the demographic that wants this particular form factor and thats why it's relevant.
clearly, you are arguing for the sake of arguing by cherrypicking what to quote from my reply. please do move on since you have failed to grasp and have somehow managed to consistently ignored my main point, whether by choice or something else 😂
they are not charging 2-3x, they are charging 10x, lpddr5 semi retail value is less than 50 bucks depending on the vendor, bulk purchase wise apple is probably paying less than 20 to 25 usd. I would be very happy if apple is only charging 2-3x which means 16gb upgrade option would only be 40-60usd.
I recently changed my normal upgrade path to every other THIRD generation after an initial 3 month pause to be sure no show stoppers come to light. I invest in the additional RAM and storage for future proofing but I’m not playing these games with Apple nonsense anymore. Bring Jobs back!
Yea but unfortunately if your always about profits first and innovation second then it can eventually lead to the disillusionment of your customers and the eventual downfall of the company.
Apple keeps on this road they will eventually destroy themselves. A lot of people think Apple is to big to fall but the commercial landscape is full of huge companies that eventually destroyed themselves.
Unfortunately for most CEOs it’s all about the short term. Increasing profits at all costs so they can pad their own pocketbooks. Unfortunately this comes at the destruction of the company in the long term.
I can’t be absolutely certain about this without a bunch of research but it seems to me that back when Steve Jobs was in charge if they had an innovation that made the products cheaper they would keep half the profits for R&D and to pass money on to the share holders and the other half they passed on to the consumers in the form of cheaper products and now in the Tim Cook era that doesn’t happen at all. I could be way off base but that is the sense I got.
I love that quote from Steve Jobs, “The only way to do great work is to love what you do.” but I would add the only way to make great products that impact people’s lives is to actually care about the customer and see them as more than a way to make a quick buck.
My 8GB M1 freezes all the time and I have to open up Activity Manager and close out tasks to keep it running smoothly. My memory pressure routinely gets in the yellow. I love the M1 for its speed and smoothness but I love my old “2019” iMac with 32 GB of ram because it never freezes up even though it’s slower overall. I’m routinely torn between the two and which one I’d rather use.
This is SO true of so many companies. If companies REALLY cared about the environment they would stop making products that break after a short amount of time or products that are not upgradable or repairable. As an example I bought my daughter a slip n slide at a major retailer. It was pretty cool as you hook up the hose and it inflates the sides and sprays water all over. It is a huge amount of plastic and the seams on it were terrible. It didn’t even last the whole summer before I had to throw it away and I paid I think $30 for it. Now I’m supposed to buy another one next year and throw that one away after it breaks after a year? Think of all the people throwing these things away and all the plastic being thrown in the trash.
What do you think Apple has been experiencing for the past 2 decades? They are reaping the benefits of having an integrated ecosystem because they were the only company willing to invest in having an ecosystem in the first place.
So yeah, I for one certainly hope that Apple continues to reap these benefits for a good long time to come.
Indeed. As a long time Apple fan… i remember the days pre-iDevices, when all they had were Macs, and a meager 6%ish market share at that. It’s amazing that people could react to your comment with an angry emoji… they honestly must not know what Apple’s presence was then versus now. Night and day.
I agree. There is no reason they can’t have the built in memory and then have slots where you can add more memory. Yes the memory you add will be slower then the built in memory but thats how computers have worked for years. First you have the memory built into the CPU which is the fastest. Then you have the ram chips which are the second fastest. And then you have the swap file on the hardrive/SSD which is the slowest. Apple has cut out the ram chips which is fine if you have enough memory built into the CPU but if you don’t then your computer is going right to the swap file which is the slowest and most 8GB Mac’s are using the swap file a lot Which makes them freeze up.
Exactly! Yes, the memory is much faster because it’s built into the chip but it can still only store 8GB of data. Effectively what it is doing is pushing the rest of the data onto a swap file which is much slower than if you had ram chips you could add to make up the difference.
The linchpin is macOS. The main reason I believe people like Mac computers so much is because macOS is so much better than Windows. That’s the reason I like Mac computers so much. The problem is macOS seems to be getting buggier and buggier through the years. If that trend continues and Apple continues to try and charge crazy prices for upgrades that should come standard then Apple could hit a critical point where lots of people start jumping ship. It’s a whole lot easier to hold on to customers than it is to regain lost customers. Once people get to the point of jumping ship it’s going to be really hard for Apple to stop the bleed.
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Not that Macs should start at 8GB, but wouldn't this mostly be due to just... 64-bit computing? And how it's been the standard for over a decade now?
But yeah IMO anything $1k+ should start with 16GB. It's a shame that likely the majority of all Macs sold have 8GB when we've seen how 16 really 'unlocks' the full capabilities of the M-series chips. Why would you take such a breakthrough SoC and give it Intel-like performance by crimping the RAM...?
But yeah IMO anything $1k+ should start with 16GB. It's a shame that likely the majority of all Macs sold have 8GB when we've seen how 16 really 'unlocks' the full capabilities of the M-series chips. Why would you take such a breakthrough SoC and give it Intel-like performance by crimping the RAM...?