Arctic Fox web browser for 10.6 (32 & 64-bit)

[z970]

Thanks a lot for this easy install guide, worked like a charm .

Glad to hear it.

I was almost compiling from source for nothing.

I get the feeling that people sometimes unintentionally over-complicate PPC Linux, always expecting to go in to a constant uphill battle. Though this has been my experience with the newest Debian install images for PPC64 (https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/) (mainly due to GRUB...), this for the most part has not been reciprocated across most other distributions and their versions I've tried. It's been relatively smooth, as far as PowerPC goes.

Of course, already having a good grasp of how Linux works in general also helps a fair bit.

I might actually start to use Linux PPC instead of Leopard.

Way ahead of you.

 

[Lastic]

I get what you mean, I'm using x86 Linux a lot for work and at home.

On Leopard I simply know my way around a lot faster and find it a smoother experience, even building/compiling stuff
that isn't available.

But will give the learning curve a try on Linux PPC, there is no up to date GNS3 like on Leopard so will start there.

Is that Plank you are using or Docky ?

 

[z970]

On Leopard I simply know my way around a lot faster and find it a smoother experience, even building/compiling stuff that isn't available.

Well, on the upside, that's not typically something you could say for modern OS X. Leopard is not completely unusable yet like Jaguar and Panther are, so there is something to be said for savoring its polish before it's gone.

Contrary to what 2019 Apple would have you believe, you own your computer. Put onto it and use whatever will personally give you the greatest mileage of using arguably the greatest invention in recent history, and enjoy it the whole way through.

Is that Plank you are using or Docky ?

Docky. In my experiences, Docky has always allowed for far greater customization than Plank. With Docky, you can mimic the Unity launcher, you can mimic the GNOME 3 favorites bar, you can mimic the OS X Tiger and Leopard docks, and you can also make use of a totally fresh style all around by changing its themes. I like Glass the most because it closely replicates the appearance of Tiger's transparent dock and Leopard's...glassy dock at the same time. You can also configure more things about Docky than you can with Plank.

And that's why it always has me coming back.

Plank, while a very nice dock, doesn't allow you to do much with it. It really just looks like Mountain Lion's dock and that's it, which you could also do with Docky in the first place.

 

[swamprock]

Glad to hear it.



I get the feeling that people sometimes unintentionally over-complicate PPC Linux, always expecting to go in to a constant uphill battle. Though this has been my experience with the newest Debian install images for PPC64 (https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ports/) (mainly due to GRUB...), this for the most part has not been reciprocated across most other distributions and their versions I've tried. It's been relatively smooth, as far as PowerPC goes.

Of course, already having a good grasp of how Linux works in general also helps a fair bit.



Way ahead of you.

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GRUB for PPC32/64 in Debian will be worked on extensively starting in March, when Adrian has finished his home move. It's priority #1 for him.
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Plank, while a very nice dock, doesn't allow you to do much with it. It really just looks like Mountain Lion's dock and that's it, which you could also do with Docky in the first place.

Both are very nice. In Plank's defense, you can theme it however you like, just like Docky.

 

[z970]

GRUB for PPC32/64 in Debian will be worked on extensively starting in March, when Adrian has finished his home move. It's priority #1 for him.

As it should be. His wellbeing should be a great priority indeed.

Both are very nice. In Plank's defense, you can theme it however you like, just like Docky.

Plank is a very good dock. But amusingly enough, I haven't found of a way to configure it. Though you still can't make it mimic the Unity launcher, or look like Tiger / Leopard's dock.

 

[z970]

@wicknix @xeno74 The PPC64 version of Arctic Fox 27.9.15 crashes whenever opening a download link, installing addons, loading a heavy site like YouTube, or logging in to MR. The same behavior is seen with 27.9.14. Please advise, thank you.

Running Debian Buster/Sid PPC64.

 

[wicknix]

Hmm. Could you try the g4/g5 32-bit build and see if the results change? It might just be a difference in mozconfig options, or differences in the underlying build system. If nothing changes, then it's definitely a bug we need to look further in to.

Cheers

 

[z970]

The 32bit Arctic Fox binary won't open. Not with a double click, not with ./arcticfox, and not with /home/user/Downloads/arcticfox/arcticfox. It keeps throwing a 'no such file or directory'. Also does not work with 'run as administrator'.

I don't think you can run powerpc applications in a PPC64 environment. This is not the only example I've seen of this conclusion so far.

I forgot to mention, the same crash issues occur in both the portable offered at GitHub and the .deb from the PowerProgress repository. No change.

 

[wicknix]

Ahh that's right. I keep forgetting a pure 64-bit environment doesn't like 32-bit. My kernel is 64-bit, but userland is 32-bit. Sorry, I brain farted there.

 

[z970]

Upon further testing, I have found that Arctic Fox often crashes when loading websites that are not extensively lightweight.

Usage under different desktop environments and different window managers also do not exhibit any difference...

And some sites, like eBay, even make it log out the system!

As far as statistics go, I'd rate PPC64 Arctic Fox to have a reliability rating of <20%.
[doublepost=1550810828][/doublepost]Now this is interesting. Upon even further review inside /var/log/syslog, I see mountains of the exact same kernel error essentially stating "nouveau gr: intr [ERROR] nsource [DATA_ERROR] nstatus [BAD_ARGUMENT] Xorg subc 7 class mth / DRM subc 4 class mthd", and what's particularly interesting is "arcticfox illegal instruction (4) at nip lr code 1 in libx265.so.165" and "bamfdaemon INVALID-MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused / bamfdaemon cannot open display: :0 / bamfdaemon.service: Main process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE / systemd bamfdaemon.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. / systemd Failed to start BAMF Application Matcher Framework."

I think this is both a browser fault, as seen by the magic cookie errors, but primarily a kernel issue as evidenced from the spill of nouveau / bamf errors, which are both parts that would originate from the base system. Though I can't quite pinpoint exactly where the illegal instruction err might have come from, unless something explicitly does not function correctly in Arctic Fox...

If I remember correctly, I believe I used the PPC64 Arctic Fox from PowerProgress somewhere over a month ago, likely using an older kernel revision, and never encountered this problem. Granted, I only tried it to something of 10 minutes, but even so, that's more than the 5 minutes I can get here without it crashing.

 

[xeno74]

Hi All,

I was able to solve the problem with mach package today.

Arctic Fox 27.9.15 works on Ubuntu 10.04.0 LTS PowerPC (Lucid Lynx) now! You don't need Ubuntu 10.04.4 as a requirement anymore!

I successfully tested it on the Ubuntu 10.04.0 Live DVD today.

You don't need to install Python 2.7 anymore but you need to install the GCC 4.8 and the libatomic1 via the repository 'ppa:ubuntu-toolchain-r/test'.

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-toolchain-r/test

sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install gcc-4.8 g++-4.8

Download: arcticfox-27.9.15-2-ubuntu10.04-powerpc.tar.bz2

After that you can start Arctic Fox with:

./arcticfox

Screenshot of Arctic Fox 27.9.15 on the Ubuntu 10.04.0 Live DVD:



Cheers,
Christian

 

[RobJos]

MacBook Pro Intel Core i7 (8 CPUs, 64-bits)/10.6.8/16 GB RAM. While gradually loosing my patience waiting for the Waterfox version for 10.6.8 that had been announced about a year ago, I was still plodding about desperately with Firefox 45 ESR when I heard of your ArcticFox. Flabbergasting, to say the least. With twice as many extensions, the same quantities of bookmarks and history records, and a profile folder ≈35Mb larger, it takes seconds to launch or quit — as compared to endless minutes with Firefox. Sites that used to take ages to open or refresh now zap through like a charm. These speed factors make AF really invaluable to me. So I can only add my thanks and congratulations to all those that already have been expressed here, and hope that wicknix will accept donations someday (in BTC, please!)

After importing my Firefox profile (see the comment I'll be posting to #135 above) I ended up with all extensions disabled, and spent a good number of days replacing those that were not compatible. And discovering interesting new ones. As said, about twice as many as I used to have on Fx. Throughout all this fine-tuning I don't remember experiencing a single crash, but I can't recommend enough to frequently backup the AF profile (~/Library/Application Support/Arctic Fox) after every major change: it saved me quite a bit of time when I had to recover a long list of Save-To-Read entries.

Which brings me to a few requests, or some bugs I'd like to see fixed. Please bear with me, and the fact that my slightly burnt-out brain cells have a hard time remembering every single new setting of every single new extension. Meaning that I did try to see if some new extension could be responsible for the misbehaviour, but that I may have missed something.

1. The Title Bar is absent on launch. The only (clumsy) way I can get it to appear is with Opt/Alt+Ctl+T — a shortcut from one of the Tab extensions that opens a new Private Tab (btw., disabling it didn't make the Title Bar come back.) This produces an empty Title Bar without min/max/close buttons — apparently the default for a Private Tab. Repeating Opt/Alt+Ctl+T, the page's actual title then shows up — with its min/max/close buttons — and remains in place as long as AF is running. I've tried to take a look into about:config, but that didn't get me anywhere. I'm definitely not an expert in that environment.

2. In the Download dialog box, the setting "Do this automatically for files like this from now on" does not get memorised if downloading alternatives are selected, say FlashGot or Turbo Downloader. It's back on the default “Save File” at a later download. To be honest the alternatives weren't always memorised in Fx either, but at least they were remembered within the same session. Whereas now I have to click about for every single file I'm downloading.

3. I do miss a lot Firefox's Reader View. The PaleMoon extension is only for v.28 and up. Could you consider implementing it in AF?

4. It seems to be quite random whether site-specific icons (.ico) appear (and stay) in the History or the Bookmarks. Is it a question of a database that needs to be flushed or something similar? If needed I have no problem accessing and editing the Profile's contents.

5. So far I only came across one site that doesn't work: Deezer. It acts as if the music is going to play, but it doesn't. Note that this is not related to their announcement that outdated browsers soon won't be supported any longer (which goes away if you change the user agent): it's still working perfectly well in Firefox 45 ESR.

6. Last, after reading the whole thread, a meta-request of sorts: would it be feasible to split this forum into, say, developers, compilers, Linux, etc. on the one hand, and… hmm, the plebs, a.k.a. common people like me with common users' queries on the other?

Again, many thanks!

 

[RobJos]

@Navy-Brat Yeah, captcha/recaptcha are problematic. Some sites with it work, some don't. You can blame google for that mess. As this browser is based on pm27 (which their devs abandoned in the fall of 2018 to create pm28) there will be some issues with certain sites (github, userstyles.org to name a few) as the internet changes and as google/chrome/blink tries to dominate and change web standards.

On one of those ridiculous sites (a cryptocurrency exchange) brainswashed by Google into believing that their registered users have to be subjected to the captcha torture, I was unable to get through after well over 50 captcha screens (gave up counting). As usual, with the last version of Chromium that runs under 10.6.8 (i.e. with a warning that's it's old, unsupported etc.), I logged on after only a couple of screens, that is almost right away. Using a so-called incognito window, at that!

“Curious”, not?

Things have become unbearable in the past few weeks, not only with AF. In Firefox, sometimes all it takes to get the captcha to work (or even to show up at all) is allowing googletagmanager or some other GG script (for that matter, not always the same one) in NoScript. Some anti-trust entities should get their act together and look into this GG monopoly on mind control.
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I must admit I was having a lot of trouble with Arctic Fox on 10.6.8 with connections failing inconsistently, whereas TenFourFox 11 Intel was rock solid (if missing good video playback).

However, I sorted that out. The connection errors I was having appears to be due to the long-ago-installed "Little Snitch", which up to now seemed to never be in the way. I disabled that, and Arctic Fox is now working smoothly!

Strange. LittleSnitch (3.3.4, last version under Snow Leopard of course) hasn't given me the slightest bit of trouble. 565 rules total as of today.
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Partially fixed missing private browsing min/max/close buttons. They work and are usable, just positioned on the wrong side (they display on the right, should be on the left)

This is apparently not fixed in 27.9.15, which I have started with.

 

[RobJos]

Curious why you get a system crash though. If anything just the browser should crash. Are you running any firefox extensions/add-ons by chance? Or did you copy your firefox profile to arcticfox? (bad idea). This forum should not crash, nor has anyone else reported that issue, so i'm just trying to narrow down why you are crashing so much.

I only came across this discussion group on MacRumours after installing 27.9.15, which is maybe just as well — I might have listened to this recommendation instead of importing my Firefox profile as described here on Reddit:

Still on OS X 10.6 / 10.7 / 10.8, and need an updated browser? Here it is.

(repeated twice, so that I could write down the procedure correctly)

And, as stated above, after this: no more crashes.
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@WinterClaws Can you do me a favor? Try this. Change the status bar to show "pop-ups" instead. It's basically like having a hidden status bar until you hover links. That is the setting i use (to have more screen space). That should work. In the meantime i'll look in to what might be randomly causing that. (tools -> status bar prefs -> status -> general -> show links in pop-up).

Cheers

URLs upon hovering over links do not show up in the Status Bar in 27.9.15 either. No matter what. However, what I do often see there — across the different tabs — is the URL of some page that was opened recently. When and why it shows up and goes away again, I cannot tell.

 

[Raging Dufus]

6. Last, after reading the whole thread, a meta-request of sorts: would it be feasible to split this forum into, say, developers, compilers, Linux, etc. on the one hand, and… hmm, the plebs, a.k.a. common people like me with common users' queries on the other?

Hi Robjos, and welcome. I can't answer your queries re:Arctic Fox, but I wanted to respond to your request to split the forum. I only joined last year myself, but lurked around here for years, and I personally wouldn't dream of such a thing.

I love the diversity of technical skills/interests here, it's one of the best things about being a PowerPC/early Intel enthusiast! Using your terms, I too am a "pleb" given the state of my knowledge compared to some. I have to say though, that your knowledge hardly strikes me as common - you seem to know a good bit about browsers (Firefox derivatives, at least) and how they work; and frankly the fact that you've chosen to use Snow Leopard on an i7 MBP (on which you could run literally anything, Mac OS or otherwise) tells me that you are no common user. Neither am I, and neither is practically anyone who frequents this forum. We're all here because we choose to be different, or at least appreciate those who do.

I don't understand everything I read here by any means, but I love the fact that it's here, and I also love the fact that I can interface freely with those who put it here without being looked down upon for my interest. There are other forums on this site, and many, many tech forums elsewhere, about which that could not be said. Some of them make you feel as though by posting you've somehow ascended Olympus and disturbed the gods. Yet, here not only do I get to partake of the knowledge and efforts of talented people like @wicknix and many others, I've also been able to help a few people with the bit of knowledge I possess. It makes me feel like I'm part of this community, I enjoy that very much and wouldn't want to divide it up. My opinion, FWIW.

Again, welcome to the forum! This is a unique place, I hope you enjoy it here.

 

[RobJos]

Hi Robjos, and welcome. I can't answer your queries re:Arctic Fox, but I wanted to respond to your request to split the forum. I only joined last year myself, but lurked around here for years, and I personally wouldn't dream of such a thing.

I love the diversity of technical skills/interests here, it's one of the best things about being a PowerPC/early Intel enthusiast! Using your terms, I too am a "pleb" given the state of my knowledge compared to some. I have to say though, that your knowledge hardly strikes me as common - you seem to know a good bit about browsers (Firefox derivatives, at least) and how they work; and frankly the fact that you've chosen to use Snow Leopard on an i7 MBP (on which you could run literally anything, Mac OS or otherwise) tells me that you are no common user. Neither am I, and neither is practically anyone who frequents this forum. We're all here because we choose to be different, or at least appreciate those who do.

I don't understand everything I read here by any means, but I love the fact that it's here, and I also love the fact that I can interface freely with those who put it here without being looked down upon for my interest. There are other forums on this site, and many, many tech forums elsewhere, about which that could not be said. Some of them make you feel as though by posting you've somehow ascended Olympus and disturbed the gods. Yet, here not only do I get to partake of the knowledge and efforts of talented people like @wicknix and many others, I've also been able to help a few people with the bit of knowledge I possess. It makes me feel like I'm part of this community, I enjoy that very much and wouldn't want to divide it up. My opinion, FWIW.

Again, welcome to the forum! This is a unique place, I hope you enjoy it here.

Fair enough, Raging Dufus, and thanks for your kind words and for your understanding, very much appreciated. All in agreement with what you're saying there about certain other forums. BTW, my machine came with Snow Leopard on it, one of the last ones, I think. I made a try once at running Mavericks, on a dual processor MBP. Dreadful. After some weeks everything got stuck, I had to reformat it and reinstall Snow Leopard. My partner, who has been coerced into using Sierra on a more recent MBP, still drools at my user-friendly interface, every day that goes by.

Actually, what triggered my request was primarily having to, hmm… browse through so many Linux-related posts. I have a hate relationship of sorts to Linux, only different from that I have towards Windows in that I have to use it. There's one application I can't live without, which has become incompatible with Snow Leopard for a while, so I use VirtualBox. It has got much much better in terms of speed, after I recently dumped Ubuntu 14 and replaced it with Lubuntu 18, but coming from the Mac GUI (and a century ago the Atari), I still have the most difficult time relating to an interface that to my mind is so counter-intuitive. I mean, with all respect for nerds — if it weren't for nerds we wouldn't have any of the technology we're playing with right now, would we? — I have had no other choice than to mess about with terminal & command lines, hardly any of it customisable. As when the damn thing (Ubuntu) wouldn't install a newer version of some Python that seemed to be required to keep the app running, giving me responses and warnings I couldn't understand the first word of. And having to spend hour after hour at it. Un-funny hours, as opposed to setting up ArticFox here. IOW, Linux gives me the creeps. Sorry for the digression, folks, and for straying a bit away from this good thread.

 

[wicknix]

@z970mp : Thanks for the extra info. Seeing as how your output shows nouveau errors, can you try disabling hardware accel in prefs? In advanced -> general, uncheck use hardware accel. Other than that, hopefully @xeno74 can chime in. I don't have any pure 64-bit ppc linux installations, so i can't test or debug. My ppc linux build machine is a mac mini g4 running ubuntu 16.04.5 fwiw.

@RobJos : Thanks for the feedback. Glad it's working relatively well for you. I'll try to answer a few questions.
1) I had to "break" the titlebar/min/max/close buttons in private browsing windows again to re-enable the developer tools. I had fixed it at one time, but it broke devtools. I will try to fix that again some day without breaking devtools. For now i'd recommend the private-tabs extension to bypass that issue.
2) Might be caused by our default setting. Out of the box AF has private browsing mode enabled by default. You can choose to disable that in preferences -> privacy -> history.
3) I'll look in to how difficult that might be, or try finding an older FF extension that might be easy to port over. (low priority)
4) I haven't run in to that yet. Could be a possible side effect of importing your FF profile.
5) Sadly, yes, there will be websites that don't work, or wont work properly. I wish that wasn't the case, but as a 2 man crew working on this in our spare time, we just don't have the knowledge or manpower to keep up with todays changing web.
6) I agree with @Raging Dufus. When i started this "fork" it was supposed to a small project to give back to this particular forums PPC/10.6 community. Great bunch here. AF kind of took off out of nowhere and became quite popular, quite fast. I never expected this thread to be 9 pages and growing, or be on reddit, or youtube, etc.

Cheers

 

[RobJos]

@RobJos : Thanks for the feedback. Glad it's working relatively well for you. I'll try to answer a few questions.

2) Might be caused by our default setting. Out of the box AF has private browsing mode enabled by default. You can choose to disable that in preferences -> privacy -> history.
4) I haven't run in to that yet. Could be a possible side effect of importing your FF profile.

Thanks to you too, for following up.

2. I don't think so. I changed the default right away to "Custom settings…", clearing only the cache when AF closes. Else, I use Private Browsing only when needed.

4. I had tried to edit this to add that this is also the case with the icons in the Tabs (but the system thought I was spamming ¿?)

 

[z970]

Hi Robjos, and welcome. I can't answer your queries re:Arctic Fox, but I wanted to respond to your request to split the forum. I only joined last year myself, but lurked around here for years, and I personally wouldn't dream of such a thing.

I love the diversity of technical skills/interests here, it's one of the best things about being a PowerPC/early Intel enthusiast! Using your terms, I too am a "pleb" given the state of my knowledge compared to some. I have to say though, that your knowledge hardly strikes me as common - you seem to know a good bit about browsers (Firefox derivatives, at least) and how they work; and frankly the fact that you've chosen to use Snow Leopard on an i7 MBP (on which you could run literally anything, Mac OS or otherwise) tells me that you are no common user. Neither am I, and neither is practically anyone who frequents this forum. We're all here because we choose to be different, or at least appreciate those who do.

I don't understand everything I read here by any means, but I love the fact that it's here, and I also love the fact that I can interface freely with those who put it here without being looked down upon for my interest. There are other forums on this site, and many, many tech forums elsewhere, about which that could not be said. Some of them make you feel as though by posting you've somehow ascended Olympus and disturbed the gods. Yet, here not only do I get to partake of the knowledge and efforts of talented people like @wicknix and many others, I've also been able to help a few people with the bit of knowledge I possess. It makes me feel like I'm part of this community, I enjoy that very much and wouldn't want to divide it up. My opinion, FWIW.

Again, welcome to the forum! This is a unique place, I hope you enjoy it here.

And that...is a big reason as to why I keep returning to these forums (no matter what occasional drama goes down). Aside from the fact that am a daily PowerPC owner and am kind of forced to partake in what is essentially its central social hub, of course.
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Fair enough, Raging Dufus, and thanks for your kind words and for your understanding, very much appreciated. All in agreement with what you're saying there about certain other forums. BTW, my machine came with Snow Leopard on it, one of the last ones, I think. I made a try once at running Mavericks, on a dual processor MBP. Dreadful. After some weeks everything got stuck, I had to reformat it and reinstall Snow Leopard. My partner, who has been coerced into using Sierra on a more recent MBP, still drools at my user-friendly interface, every day that goes by.

Actually, what triggered my request was primarily having to, hmm… browse through so many Linux-related posts. I have a hate relationship of sorts to Linux, only different from that I have towards Windows in that I have to use it. There's one application I can't live without, which has become incompatible with Snow Leopard for a while, so I use VirtualBox. It has got much much better in terms of speed, after I recently dumped Ubuntu 14 and replaced it with Lubuntu 18, but coming from the Mac GUI (and a century ago the Atari), I still have the most difficult time relating to an interface that to my mind is so counter-intuitive. I mean, with all respect for nerds — if it weren't for nerds we wouldn't have any of the technology we're playing with right now, would we? — I have had no other choice than to mess about with terminal & command lines, hardly any of it customisable. As when the damn thing (Ubuntu) wouldn't install a newer version of some Python that seemed to be required to keep the app running, giving me responses and warnings I couldn't understand the first word of. And having to spend hour after hour at it. Un-funny hours, as opposed to setting up ArticFox here. IOW, Linux gives me the creeps. Sorry for the digression, folks, and for straying a bit away from this good thread.

Have you tried elementary OS? I'd recommend to give that a chance before fully closing off Linux.

From my experiences, it is the cream of the crop as far as ease of use and user interfaces go. Much better than vanilla Ubuntu in most every way, and certainly blows Lubuntu out of the water, which I have not had great experiences with either. (https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/lubuntu-16-04-boot-error-solution-within.2067997/) (I had my share of rage quits when I was a pleb. )

Plus, it should run amazingly on your MacBook Pro. Faster than Snow Leopard, I'm confident.

https://elementary.io/

Give it a shot. You might like it.

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@z970mp : Thanks for the extra info. Seeing as how your output shows nouveau errors, can you try disabling hardware accel in prefs? In advanced -> general, uncheck use hardware accel. Other than that, hopefully @xeno74 can chime in. I don't have any pure 64-bit ppc linux installations, so i can't test or debug. My ppc linux build machine is a mac mini g4 running ubuntu 16.04.5 fwiw.

Thanks Wik, I'll do that.

After replacing 4.19 with 4.18 and 4.16 from PowerProgress (and seeing no change in any results), I have decided that this is not explicitly a kernel issue.

As far as the "illegal instruction" errors, I've gotten those on quite a few other apps that won't launch, such as VLC, and after some online research, my theory is that these apps were not purely built for PPC64 and may contain remnant powerpc code, which the PPC64 user space does not approve of (and will refuse to launch), so I believe the only real solution is to wait until these apps are updated and are hopefully fixed of these issues. Until then, alternatives can be used.

Perhaps I ought to notify Adrian of these issues, maybe when his move is finished so he's not so overloaded. I'll manage until then.

Apologies to Rob for the excessive Linux talk.

 

[wicknix]

@RobJos : Here's reader view for v27: http://addons.palemoon.org/releases/readerview/ (1.4.0)

Cheers

 

[z970]

OK, so disabling hardware acceleration did not work, and going back to the magic cookie errors, neither did setting it to never remember history, which should have disabled cookies.

A tough one indeed...

Hmm...

Maybe an update and rebuild is in order? Perhaps something went wrong on xeno's end when building .14 that carried over to or never got fixed in .15.

 

[xeno74]

OK, so disabling hardware acceleration did not work, and going back to the magic cookie errors, neither did setting it to never remember history, which should have disabled cookies.

A tough one indeed...

Hmm...

Maybe an update and rebuild is in order? Perhaps something went wrong on xeno's end when building .14 that carried over to or never got fixed in .15.

Hi z970mp,

I successfully tested it on Fedora 27 Server PPC64 and on openSUSE Tumbleweed 20170924 PPC64. I don’t have Debian PPC64. I only use Radeon HD graphics cards. Arctic Fox works very well on Fedora and openSUSE. Unfortunately I don’t know what I have to modify for Debian PPC64. Please compile it on Debian PPC64. It isn’t difficult.

Cheers,
Christian

 

[z970]

Hi z970mp,

I successfully tested it on Fedora 27 Server PPC64 and on openSUSE Tumbleweed 20170924 PPC64. I don’t have Debian PPC64. I only use Radeon HD graphics cards. Arctic Fox works very well on Fedora and openSUSE. Unfortunately I don’t know what I have to modify for Debian PPC64. Please compile it on Debian PPC64. It isn’t difficult.

Cheers,
Christian

I see.

Will do, thank you.

 

[Dronecatcher]

@Dronecatcher Does your mac pro run 10.7 or above? If so give my NewMoon branded Pale Moon 28 build a spin.

To follow up on this, the kernel panics continued with every browser I used, so no it wasn't Arctic Fox to blame.
I wiped Lion last week and since went back to Snow Leopard on my Mac Pro - Arctic Fox is performing great - as is everything else, there's nothing I miss from Lion.

 

[RobJos]

@RobJos : Here's reader view for v27: http://addons.palemoon.org/releases/readerview/ (1.4.0)

Thank you, extremely happy! Even better, with features that didn't exist in Fx, such as removing images. FYI the shortcut on the Mac appears to be Opt+Cmd+R, not Ctl+Opt+R as stated. And the option to change this shortcut seems to be absent, maybe because it came with a later version.
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Have you tried elementary OS? I'd recommend to give that a chance before fully closing off Linux.

From my experiences, it is the cream of the crop as far as ease of use and user interfaces go. Much better than vanilla Ubuntu in most every way, and certainly blows Lubuntu out of the water, which I have not had great experiences with either. (https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/lubuntu-16-04-boot-error-solution-within.2067997/) (I had my share of rage quits when I was a pleb. )

Plus, it should run amazingly on your MacBook Pro. Faster than Snow Leopard, I'm confident.

https://elementary.io/

Give it a shot. You might like it.

Looks interesting. Not sure I'll be able to explore it while I'm still hanging out in this dimension, though. But I'll keep it in mind, definitely.

Just two quick Qs: can you install this OS on the same machine as Snow Leopard, or do you need to install it on a separate volume? And: what kind of applications do you run there — meaning native Mac, Linux, MS, old or new?

Now, for what I need it, launch that application and do a couple of quick operations, VB + Lubuntu are almost as fast as the native Mac's.

Apologies to Rob for the excessive Linux talk.

That's OK, you're forgiven ;-)
[doublepost=1551010666][/doublepost]Possibly AF-related, as I can't remember experiencing this in another browser: am I the only one to have the cursor occasionally disappear when I'm in this editing window, here on MacRumours. Or rather, it remains there blinking in one place, so the only way to move around is to use the mouse and click where you want to write. And hope you're at the right place. This behaviour might follow the drag-and-drop of a piece of text, or copying it to the clipboard, I'm not sure. Once the reply gets posted, things get back to normal in a new editing window.