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I think you're mistaken. Previously, the CPUs were 35W. MBPs struggled with that too.

The i9 part is 45W officially, but it can be set to 35W by the vendor. Since Apple doesn't tell us what they use exactly, we can't even be certain they are rolling at 35W.

A bump from 35 to 45W makes a 28% on an already struggling chassis.



8th generation Intel i-series CPU
I don't think so mate... The previous generation was already 45W. https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-7700HQ-Notebook-Processor.187975.0.html
 
A bump from 35 to 45W makes a 28% on an already struggling chassis.
I thought they were always 45watts. Where did you see that they were 35w.

Now the non-TB 13" laptop is not running a 45w version. I'm too lazy to look it up, but I believe its 15W
 
How is your keyboard when you are running this heat level? My keyboard becomes far too hot to touch and type away massive articles, I mean it's warm normally, so maybe I'm just being pedantic... or I've got a dodgy machine

Hmmm it's actually fine! It only gets stressed when using Handbrake or multiple VMware VM's really. Not when just using Word/Excel etc.

When it is stressed the keys do start to get warm but it's not uncomfortable at all.
 
A couple weeks in: I use my top-spec MBP to run virtual machines. The combination of the 8th-gen/6-core processors and the 32GB RAM is making an enormous difference in the machine's behavior. It is butter-smooth, super-responsive and runs surprisingly cool. This generation is a win for Apple, really impressive.
 
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A couple weeks in: I use my top-spec MBP to run virtual machines. The combination of the 8th-gen/6-core processors and the 32GB RAM is making an enormous difference in the machine's behavior. It is butter-smooth, super-responsive and runs surprisingly cool. This generation is a win for Apple, really impressive.

I could not agree more with that, I haven't seen the beach ball once, my 2016 16gb 13inch had its day for what I was doing with it, this new machine is beautiful, I just hope that when Mojave comes out, it doesn't take a performance hit.

I think the mid cycle laptops are the best, you get all the hardware issues out the way, and a SERIOUS performance increase, it makes sense financially too.

First year you're practically broke with all the R&D gone into the machine, you can only put in low end components
Second year you've finished ironing out all the issues with some minor upgrade
Mid Cycle - cash is flowwwwwwing well, time to give the consumers some serious bang for buck. And that's what we have here ladies and gents, a machine that weighs next to nothing, that can outpace some desktops (for three times the price) but hey, who wants to carry around a 10kg workstation with a monitor keyboards and a god forsaken mousemat !!
 
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I could not agree more with that, I haven't seen the beach ball once, my 2016 16gb 13inch had its day for what I was doing with it, this new machine is beautiful, I just hope that when Mojave comes out, it doesn't take a performance hit.

I think the mid cycle laptops are the best, you get all the hardware issues out the way, and a SERIOUS performance increase, it makes sense financially too.

First year you're practically broke with all the R&D gone into the machine, you can only put in low end components
Second year you've finished ironing out all the issues with some minor upgrade
Mid Cycle - cash is flowwwwwwing well, time to give the consumers some serious bang for buck. And that's what we have here ladies and gents, a machine that weighs next to nothing, that can outpace some desktops (for three times the price) but hey, who wants to carry around a 10kg workstation with a monitor keyboards and a god forsaken mousemat !!

Agree!! But then why didn't you apply the same philosophy when buying your iPhone X? :cool:

kidding kidding! ;);)
 
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Agree!! But then why didn't you apply the same philosophy when buying your iPhone X? :cool:

kidding kidding! ;);)

No you're right mate, I don't know what I was thinking haha.

Looking back now, MBP is three times the cost of my iPhone, if my iPhone could do a fifth of what my MBP could do I would be happy, but it can't. I won't be getting flagship this September - that being said, if Jony comes back and talks me into those animojis again, I might not be able to resist
 
A couple weeks in: I use my top-spec MBP to run virtual machines. The combination of the 8th-gen/6-core processors and the 32GB RAM is making an enormous difference in the machine's behavior. It is butter-smooth, super-responsive and runs surprisingly cool. This generation is a win for Apple, really impressive.

I will also say that I've not seen one beachball. My 2018 machine has been a beast.
I despise you all, sitting here on a nearly 10 year old MacBook Pro. I really hope there is an iMac update this year as I no longer need the mobility of a MacBook Pro. Maybe it will be nostalgic and come November, the 10 year anniversary of this laptop, I will be able to replace it with an iMac.
 
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MBP is three times the cost of my iPhone, if my iPhone could do a fifth of what my MBP could do I would be happy, but it can't.

Wha?

Your iPhone talks to the cell network using Edge, 3G or LTE virtually anywhere in the world. It provides location services using triangulation, GPS and GLONASS. It has a touchscreen, a gyroscope, an accelerometer, NFC and a compass. It has multiple cameras and (if it's an X) 3D facial recognition. It fits in your pocket, runs all day on a charge, and benchmarks better than many laptops.

It's the Mac that looks a little skimpy by comparison...
 
Thanks. I will try Thinkpad first and if it does not work out, go back to MBP.

I picked up a Thinkpad X1 Carbon 6th generation (with an "8th gen" Intel i7) earlier this summer ... and sent it back to Lenovo pretty quickly. The main issue was build quality (!!) - the lid didn't close properly on it, as though the screen was slightly warped. Looking over the /r/thinkpad subreddit, I saw others complaining of the same thing. Also there were issues with power management under Linux, although I hear that the majority of those have been worked out now.

I then picked up a Dell XPS 13 (9370) on sale (it was 1/2 the price of the Thinkpad). Overall it wasn't a bad machine, but the fan spun up very frequently on it, for even the most mundane task. Also the battery life wasn't anywhere near what Dell claimed it would be (which, to be honest, I expected). I was getting about 4.5-5 hours per day. So, I just sent it back too.

And now I'm back on my 2016 MacBook Pro and loving it for the most part (except maybe for the keyboard - but I frequently use an external keyboard and monitor anyways).
 
Go to hear that. I recall that few years ago, a man in the UK got his pen*s burnt due to his hot laptop.
Well, the missing part of that story would be that he wasn’t wearing pants.

For a machine to be hot enough to actually *burn* someone’s skin through clothing it would have to be absurdly hot, well past what any laptop would shut off at.

Or, it was just a BS tabloid article that made its way to your screen.
 
Well, the missing part of that story would be that he wasn’t wearing pants.

For a machine to be hot enough to actually *burn* someone’s skin through clothing it would have to be absurdly hot, well past what any laptop would shut off at.

Or, it was just a BS tabloid article that made its way to your screen.


Are we talking about the same guy? From the article, he was fully dressed in trousers and underpants.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/11/22/man_burns_penis_with_laptop/
 
In thin laptops the 6-core i9's have been prone to thermal throttling. That's both the MBP and PC's like the XPS 15. This might be better in a thicker laptop with more space for airflow, but at the moment there doesn't seem like a massive performance benefit from going 6-core on a laptop. This will change in time, but right now it looks like quad-core is the way to go.
 
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In thin laptops the 6-core i9's have been prone to thermal throttling. That's both the MBP and PC's like the XPS 15. This might be better in a thicker laptop with more space for airflow, but at the moment there doesn't seem like a massive performance benefit from going 6-core on a laptop. This will change in time, but right now it looks like quad-core is the way to go.

If I need many cores, I would rather get a quad-core ultra-portable and build a workstation with more than 6 cores.
 
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