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Are you happy about Apple’s consistent pricing hikes?

  • Yes. The price hike doesn’t impact my love for Apple at all.

    Votes: 32 7.7%
  • No. It is price gouging.

    Votes: 182 43.8%
  • Still loyal to Apple products, but unhappy.

    Votes: 140 33.7%
  • No. But it is just inflation, not Apple’s greed

    Votes: 59 14.2%
  • It is ok~~ since there are still marginal improvements that justify the hike.

    Votes: 3 0.7%

  • Total voters
    416
You can blame price increases on the weaker euro/stronger USD. For example, the pre-VAT price for a 128GB iPhone 14 in Germany is 834 € which is around $826 USD at current exchange rate. This is practically the same as the pre-sales tax U.S. price of $829. iPhone prices stayed the same in the U.S. and went up in Europe because of the currency value change.
I know that the price increases have something to do with the weaker currency. Still, a base model iPhone for 999€ is just not worth it (to me). To take another example: The new Pixel 7 retails for $599 in the US, but only 649€ (incl. VAT) in Germany. Google may sell it at a loss, but what matters to the customer in the end is the overall price-performance ratio. And 649 sounds a lot more compelling to me than 999.
 
I know that the price increases have something to do with the weaker currency. Still, a base model iPhone for 999€ is just not worth it (to me). To take another example: The new Pixel 7 retails for $599 in the US, but only 649€ (incl. VAT) in Germany. Google may sell it at a loss, but what matters to the customer in the end is the overall price-performance ratio. And 649 sounds a lot more compelling to me than 999.
Apple will only take a hit on margins if their profits drop. If a chunk of customers move away to Android for a year Apple will have to re-evaluate their margins and thereafter discount their phones to attract more custom.
 
I know that the price increases have something to do with the weaker currency. Still, a base model iPhone for 999€ is just not worth it (to me). To take another example: The new Pixel 7 retails for $599 in the US, but only 649€ (incl. VAT) in Germany. Google may sell it at a loss, but what matters to the customer in the end is the overall price-performance ratio. And 649 sounds a lot more compelling to me than 999.
Apple doesn't have a strategy of competing on price. It competes on value.
 
I know that the price increases have something to do with the weaker currency. Still, a base model iPhone for 999€ is just not worth it (to me). To take another example: The new Pixel 7 retails for $599 in the US, but only 649€ (incl. VAT) in Germany. Google may sell it at a loss, but what matters to the customer in the end is the overall price-performance ratio. And 649 sounds a lot more compelling to me than 999.

Whether in North America or overseas, if a customer doesn't feel Apple is providing good value they should definitely consider other options. That hasn't changed.

As far as Pixel phones go, Google is trying to build market share and has been much more aggressive with pricing. Discounts on Pixel phones during the year are common e.g., months before the new 7 models came out, you could get the Pixel 6 in the U.S. for $100 off and the 6 Pro for $200 off. Even the 6a which only came out in July has already been discounted; it's currently $150 off MSRP. This differs greatly from Apple which typically only adjusts phone prices once a year when the new models are introduced.
 
Whether in North America or overseas, if a customer doesn't feel Apple is providing good value they should definitely consider other options. That hasn't changed.

As far as Pixel phones go, Google is trying to build market share and has been much more aggressive with pricing. Discounts on Pixel phones during the year are common e.g., months before the new 7 models came out, you could get the Pixel 6 in the U.S. for $100 off and the 6 Pro for $200 off. Even the 6a which only came out in July has already been discounted; it's currently $150 off MSRP. This differs greatly from Apple which typically only adjusts phone prices once a year when the new models are introduced.
More succinctly: Google is selling cheap phones because it has to, if it wants to sell its phones. Apple doesn't have this problem.
 
Apple typically only adjust prices for things like iPhones on a yearly basis unless there is a significant currency value change. Right now, the pre-VAT price for a 128GB iPhone 14 in the UK is £707 which is around $813 at the current exchange rate. This is lower than the pre-sales tax U.S. price of $829.

Since you are from the UK, perhaps you can explain the significant U.S. price increase for the streaming service BritBox. A year ago, the U.S. pre-sales tax monthly subscription price was $6.99 or about £5.10 at the time which seemed to make sense as it was nearly the same as the UK pre-VAT monthly subscription price of £4.99. This year, however, the U.S. pre-sales tax monthly subscription price is $7.99 or currently about £6.94 which is significantly higher than the UK's still £4.99 pre-VAT price. Despite the weaker GBP/stronger USD, they actually raised the price in the U.S. while keeping it the same in the UK. A year ago, U.S. subscribers were paying roughly the same as UK subscribers but are now paying nearly 40% more. Did something change with the service or is this just "greed"?
It’s not a service I’m familiar with. But it certainly sounds like greed.

Unless there’s some licensing changes that result in higher costs for the US?
 
Whether in North America or overseas, if a customer doesn't feel Apple is providing good value they should definitely consider other options. That hasn't changed.

As far as Pixel phones go, Google is trying to build market share and has been much more aggressive with pricing. Discounts on Pixel phones during the year are common e.g., months before the new 7 models came out, you could get the Pixel 6 in the U.S. for $100 off and the 6 Pro for $200 off. Even the 6a which only came out in July has already been discounted; it's currently $150 off MSRP. This differs greatly from Apple which typically only adjusts phone prices once a year when the new models are introduced.
Don't get me wrong. I still vastly prefer iOS over Android. But as a somewhat "normal" phone user who is not interested in the pro models, I feel like a device with stripped features (such as the new chip or the dynamic island) for 999€ is a rip-off. Assuming Apple sticks with this strategy for the future generations of the iPhone combined with a probably even bigger gap between base and pro models, I don't think I could bring myself to buy another iPhone (at full price). That's just no longer attractive to me. Of course, there are still other options like purchasing the iPhone through another store (much cheaper) or buying it used. And there is the SE.
 
You can blame price increases on the weaker euro/stronger USD. For example, the pre-VAT price for a 128GB iPhone 14 in Germany is 834 € which is around $826 USD at current exchange rate. This is practically the same as the pre-sales tax U.S. price of $829. iPhone prices stayed the same in the U.S. and went up in Europe because of the currency value change.

There's more to pricing than simply applying the current exchange rate to your prices at the time a new product releases. Companies will often price products a cheaper in less wealthy countries where people have less disposable income.

Take Japan for example, a country with a relatively low amount of disposable income when compared to the US - 33k USD in Japan vs 54k USD in the US per person per year. The 14 Pro is priced at 149.800 Yen over there, which includes 13.618 Yen in taxes. Convert the pre-tax price into USD and the iPhone 14 Pro in Japan comes out to roughly $916 before taxes. So while we'll have a hard time describing it as cheap, it's still almost $100 cheaper in Japan than it is in the US.

The point is, while you're right that the currency exchange rate obviously has a big influence, it's not like Apple has to raise prices. They have to consider the impact on demand when raising the prices and then decide whether the reduced demand with higher profit margins makes up for the higher volume they could sell at a lower price.
 
There's more to pricing than simply applying the current exchange rate to your prices at the time a new product releases. Companies will often price products a cheaper in less wealthy countries where people have less disposable income.

Take Japan for example, a country with a relatively low amount of disposable income when compared to the US - 33k USD in Japan vs 54k USD in the US per person per year. The 14 Pro is priced at 149.800 Yen over there, which includes 13.618 Yen in taxes. Convert the pre-tax price into USD and the iPhone 14 Pro in Japan comes out to roughly $916 before taxes. So while we'll have a hard time describing it as cheap, it's still almost $100 cheaper in Japan than it is in the US.

The point is, while you're right that the currency exchange rate obviously has a big influence, it's not like Apple has to raise prices. They have to consider the impact on demand when raising the prices and then decide whether the reduced demand with higher profit margins makes up for the higher volume they could sell at a lower price.

I have to assume Apple did factor in the impact on demand and still decided to sell iPhones in Europe for basically the same price (in USD) as they sell them in the U.S. Whether or not it was a good decision or strategy, especially given where the U.S. and global economies may be going, remains to be seen.

My issue is more with the increase in "greed" and "price gouging" accusations on here implying that Apple is trying to rip off overseas buyers by raising prices there while keeping them the same in the U.S. when the reality is, various prices (in USD) are actually the same or even lower than they are in the U.S. I've also compared prices and the currency exchange rates between this year and last year and have found prices that have indeed dropped (again, in USD) overseas. I realize this is of little or no comfort to buyers having to pay higher prices in their local currencies but I think too much blame is being put on Apple rather than the primary issue which is the currency value change.
 
I have to assume Apple did factor in the impact on demand and still decided to sell iPhones in Europe for basically the same price (in USD) as they sell them in the U.S. Whether or not it was a good decision or strategy, especially given where the U.S. and global economies may be going, remains to be seen.

My issue is more with the increase in "greed" and "price gouging" accusations on here implying that Apple is trying to rip off overseas buyers by raising prices there while keeping them the same in the U.S. when the reality is, various prices (in USD) are actually the same or even lower than they are in the U.S. I've also compared prices and the currency exchange rates between this year and last year and have found prices that have indeed dropped (again, in USD) overseas. I realize this is of little or no comfort to buyers having to pay higher prices in their local currencies but I think too much blame is being put on Apple rather than the primary issue which is the currency value change.
Ummm..about that.

You might also consider some countries impose higher costs of doing business, due to labor laws, regulations, taxes, etc. That can be reflected in the price too.

My understanding is that in the UK or E.U. or both (I don't remember which), phones are required to come with a 2 year warranty. Compare that with the 1 year elsewhere. So yeah, you can expect those phones to cost more.
 
You might also consider some countries impose higher costs of doing business, due to labor laws, regulations, taxes, etc. That can be reflected in the price too.

My understanding is that in the UK or E.U. or both (I don't remember which), phones are required to come with a 2 year warranty. Compare that with the 1 year elsewhere. So yeah, you can expect those phones to cost more.

Good point. The iPhone warranty in EU countries is two years compared to just one year in the U.S.

Wow... lower prices (in USD) plus longer warranties. Maybe it's U.S. customers who should be complaining about high U.S. prices or that Apple is selling iPhones too cheaply in Europe! ;)
 
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Apple typically only adjust prices for things like iPhones on a yearly basis unless there is a significant currency value change. Right now, the pre-VAT price for a 128GB iPhone 14 in the UK is £707 which is around $813 at the current exchange rate. This is lower than the pre-sales tax U.S. price of $829.

Since you are from the UK, perhaps you can explain the significant U.S. price increase for the streaming service BritBox. A year ago, the U.S. pre-sales tax monthly subscription price was $6.99 or about £5.10 at the time which seemed to make sense as it was nearly the same as the UK pre-VAT monthly subscription price of £4.99. This year, however, the U.S. pre-sales tax monthly subscription price is $7.99 or currently about £6.94 which is significantly higher than the UK's still £4.99 pre-VAT price. Despite the weaker GBP/stronger USD, they actually raised the price in the U.S. while keeping it the same in the UK. A year ago, U.S. subscribers were paying roughly the same as UK subscribers but are now paying nearly 40% more. Did something change with the service or is this just "greed"?

You are right, the price for BritBox in the US is not fair, but I'm curious what do you watch on Brit Box if you don't mind me asking?
 
You are right, the price for BritBox in the US is not fair, but I'm curious what do you watch on Brit Box if you don't mind me asking?

I'm not a BritBox subscriber. I had previously raised the BritBox pricing question in another thread where people from the UK were complaining about Apple price increases. I was pointing out that price increases can go both directions and in the case of BritBox, increases occurred in the U.S. even though the USD is stronger/GBP is weaker right now.
 
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More impactful to me than ANYTHING Apple does with its prices:

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My gas and electric bills totaled $3540 last year.

So far this year, they're at $3384, and there are 3 bills to go. I'm expecting my total to get close to $4000.

Way more impactful to me than anything Apple does.
 
More impactful to me than ANYTHING Apple does with its prices:

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My gas and electric bills totaled $3540 last year.

So far this year, they're at $3384, and there are 3 bills to go. I'm expecting my total to get close to $4000.

Way more impactful to me than anything Apple does.
Spare a thought for us Europeans who have faced a much higher increase than that in our energy bills, haha. I wish my gas bill has only went up by 69% 😂.
 
Who on earth would be happy with price hikes? No-one wants to pay more for any item.

However, if you want the product you have no choice but to pay the extra.
Not happy but can understand if the % and frequency weren't ridiculous. Prices are outstripping wages even worse than before
 
Exactly, the definition of human “need” has been evolving with the society. Food, water, electricity, internet and phone (naturally, iOS or Android) are all considered as basic needs nowadays. Gouging or not, the bottom line is that once these things become human’s basic needs, it is just not a respectful thing to raise prices as much as corporations want.
Totally agree. I'd say basic internet and a cellphone are "needed" depending on your job. I could have neither and survive. Wouldn't be fun. My dad has had basic phones forever, and he does just fine.We are forunate that gas is just somewhat up again and electric isn't insane. Groceries are another story though :(
 
Spare a thought for us Europeans who have faced a much higher increase than that in our energy bills, haha. I wish my gas bill has only went up by 69% 😂.
Yea I'm glad energy isn't so bad here, but there's enough inflation here to be substantially affecting the ones in the middle
 
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Apple will suffer once households no longer have any discretionary capital to expend on wants rather than needs.
Agreed.

I find it odd that Apple, king of long contractual least cost sourcing and pricing, couldn’t avoid this price hike for services that other than Apple Music - the only one for explanation - hasn’t really increased.

The cost of movie production sets and ext hasn’t really gone up to the point to pass the fees to consumers. Just Apple incorrectly priced slow growth. Too many early discounts. This ATV+ gets hiked. This isn’t caused by inflation.


Take note this is going to get worse as 1 of Sweden’s top bank has filed for bankruptcy just last week! Anyone remember Leeman Bros, Meryl Lynch etc from the USA in 2008?! I see it’s beginning again.
 
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