Most security flaws are related to Intel. AMD is not having serious issues like Intel and dont need to sacrifice the performance.
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They just cant. What about TB3 or 4? There is no way to use those in the future.
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Most security flaws are related to Intel. AMD is not having serious issues like Intel and dont need to sacrifice the performance.
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They just cant. What about TB3 or 4? There is no way to use those in the future.
This is untrue with Meltdown/Spectre. I have not studied AMD's chips with regard to the recent hyperthreading issues.
Wrong. AMD Ryzen does not have Meltdown flaws due to different architecture design and Spectre is also not a serious issue and AMD will solve block Spectre with 3rd gen Ryzen soon.
What about Intel? Not only Spectre and Meltdown, they also have Intel AMT security flaw(Only Intel), BrachScope, L1TF bug, Spoiler flaw, zombieload, MDS flaws, and more. There are also Spectre/Meltdown prime and Spectre NG but AMD will not have any issues after 3rd gen for 100%.
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AMD is not able to use it. How come? It's Intel's technology and without their permission, there is no way to use it. TB chip is not even available for non-Intel CPU.
There were some AM3+ motherboards years ago that had TB but they were not released because Intel would not certify them.
Even if that was still the case, Apple does not need to care.
Then we dont know if Intel allows Apple for using TB ports for ARM-based MacBook series.
Apple can just buy the chips. If Intel refuses, Apple can bring it up with the EU.
Wait. The UK wants to Brexit.
Apple can just buy the chips. If Intel refuses, Apple can bring it up with the EU.
Wait. The UK wants to Brexit.
They cant buy chips. How come AMD is still not able to use TB3 then??
AMD does not make motherboards and it is not really needed for a desktop.
The other vendors don't really care.
I suspect AMD will be able to use it in USB4, but Intel only recently opened up Thunderbolt 3 so AMD wasn't allowed to use it to date.
The other vendors could buy the TB chips but would not get any certification, drivers, or branding from Intel.
Couldn't come fast enough. May upgrade to the 2019 MBP and use that until they come, I figure it should resell at a decent price since a lot of people may not be ready to go ARM yet. (same kinda thing as people staying on their Nvidia macs for a long time) Not sure bout the gaming stuff tho, maybe some games but there's a lot who wouldn't update their games to play on ARM for a long time if ever. (probably games I play sadly lol)
I’d be more excited about it if Apple were capable of releasing reliable Mac hardware (laptops I mean).
ARM MacBook with a butterfly keyboard?
Every bit as undesirable and unreliable as current MacBooks..
ARM MacBook with a butterfly keyboard?
Every bit as undesirable and unreliable as current MacBooks..
Hi all,
I sort of agree with turbineseaplane above...I'm not sure that the problems that I'm experiencing with my 2018 MBP (WiFi disconnects, bluetooth disconnects, KPs, 5K monitor disconnects, SMB-mounted RAID disconnects, SSD file corruptions, etc.) are caused by the Apple ARM T2 processor, but it is curious that all of my 2018 MBPs problem issues are linked to or run by the T2. Thus I worry that a total Apple ARM laptop might have, at least initially, similar troubles with Apple ARM CPUs.
I am currently on essentially my fifth 2018 MBP (third CTO build and second repair job with both repairs replacing the logic board and touch ID board), and all five machines have had exactly the same problems. Over the last decade, I've bought 11 high-end CTO Macs, and the 2018 MBP is the only machine that I've had trouble with, and all 11 of these CTOs ran precise the same codes, compiled the same programs, and typeset the same TeX papers. Right now I have an iMac, a 2016 MBP, a 2015 MBP, and several PCs running Linux that compile and run my codes without any problems. My 2018 MBPs, on the other hand, suffer the errors listed above even on pristine machines (erased SSDs, freshly downloaded macOS from Apple, no other software loaded, no iCloud, no Time Machine backup restores, no personal files transferred to the 2018 MBP, nothing attached to the MBP TB3 ports) without my loading any of my code/files on the machines.
For my own uses, what I really want is reliability and speed. (Since the iMac Pros also use the T2 and the iMac Pros have been having similar problems since their introduction over a year and a half ago, and Apple has not yet fixed the iMac Pros, I won't purchase any Mac that has the T2 ever again until these issues are solved by Apple.)
The above are my own opinions...
Solouki
I sort of agree with turbineseaplane above...I'm not sure that the problems that I'm experiencing with my 2018 MBP (WiFi disconnects, bluetooth disconnects, KPs, 5K monitor disconnects, SMB-mounted RAID disconnects, SSD file corruptions, etc.) are caused by the Apple ARM T2 processor, but it is curious that all of my 2018 MBPs problem issues are linked to or run by the T2. Thus I worry that a total Apple ARM laptop might have, at least initially, similar troubles with Apple ARM CPUs.
I am currently on essentially my fifth 2018 MBP (third CTO build and second repair job with both repairs replacing the logic board and touch ID board), and all five machines have had exactly the same problems. Over the last decade, I've bought 11 high-end CTO Macs, and the 2018 MBP is the only machine that I've had trouble with, and all 11 of these CTOs ran precise the same codes, compiled the same programs, and typeset the same TeX papers. Right now I have an iMac, a 2016 MBP, a 2015 MBP, and several PCs running Linux that compile and run my codes without any problems. My 2018 MBPs, on the other hand, suffer the errors listed above even on pristine machines (erased SSDs, freshly downloaded macOS from Apple, no other software loaded, no iCloud, no Time Machine backup restores, no personal files transferred to the 2018 MBP, nothing attached to the MBP TB3 ports) without my loading any of my code/files on the machines.
For my own uses, what I really want is reliability and speed. (Since the iMac Pros also use the T2 and the iMac Pros have been having similar problems since their introduction over a year and a half ago, and Apple has not yet fixed the iMac Pros, I won't purchase any Mac that has the T2 ever again until these issues are solved by Apple.)
The above are my own opinions...
Solouki
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If apple is moving forward with the ARM processor, this issue certainly helping cement their decision.
Indeed, the ‘A’ in ARM used to be ‘Acorn’. ARM CPUs have been around for 20+ years. And British design!
Well my dude, look up RISC PC. That is certainly an Acorn workstation. The A series of Acorn computers were home oriented.
Both usered the same family of ARM CPUs.
Never happen. All programs we use will be worthless on an ARM MacBook. Ask Microsoft how well Windows RT worked out.
There’s a reason why ARM is on mostly embedded and power conscious computers, and X86-64 on high performance computers. Performance can’t really be compared side by side by just running tests that crunch raw numbers.
And we never really will have something that can compare the two. Since high performance ARM CPUs in mobiles tend to be SoCs whereas PCs have their components mostly separated out.
There’s a reason why ARM is on mostly embedded and power conscious computers, and X86-64 on high performance computers. Performance can’t really be compared side by side by just running tests that crunch raw numbers.
And we never really will have something that can compare the two. Since high performance ARM CPUs in mobiles tend to be SoCs whereas PCs have their components mostly separated out.