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richinaus

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Improved battery life in a fanless design. Apple alluded to this point in their presentation.

In fact, it's only the enthusiasts who are claiming Apple Silicon will provide better performance. I'm pretty sure Apple themselves only promised better efficiency, so... more battery life, less heat, less fan noise.

I am expecting a better overall ‘experience’. This is what Apple has always been about, not pure speed.
I got an PC for speed on the cheap, I use Apple for the eco system, integration and ease of use - a far for better experience than windows, which is a tool to do a job, not a tool you look forward to using.

The silicon will hopefully provide good speed, good UX response, reduced heat and fans. That is all I want, and I am a ‘heavy’ user.
 

ericwn

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Yeah, they have been doing that for a couple of years now. I stoped taking this poster seriously or replying to them a while ago.

Yeah, he’s predictable like a bit these days. And for a while, to be honest.
 

bill-p

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That sounds like you’re describing a new Macbook.

Given the relative performance of the iPhone and iPad chips to the current intel-based Mac laptops, I’d be amazed if the new laptops aren’t faster than the current ones in single and multi-core.

Was there not a graph in the presentation which also alluded to, or could be extrapolated up to the reasonable assumption that as well as low power & fanless, there would also be more powerful designs (with fans?).

iPhone and iPad only run one app at a time... compared to all apps running at the same time on a MacBook or iMac, so the comparison is not truly "fair" per se.

And the graph you want to look at is this one:
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Apple very strategically showed a "cloud of possibilities" rather than an actual definitive "Apple Silicon is here" marker. Plus they did not show that cloud being higher in performance than other desktops.

But anyways, you're free to interpret it any way you want, just like I'm seeing only "improved efficiency" from it.

I am expecting a better overall ‘experience’. This is what Apple has always been about, not pure speed.
I got an PC for speed on the cheap, I use Apple for the eco system, integration and ease of use - a far for better experience than windows, which is a tool to do a job, not a tool you look forward to using.

The silicon will hopefully provide good speed, good UX response, reduced heat and fans. That is all I want, and I am a ‘heavy’ user.

I'm quite certain your iPhone 4 is still running fine, with good speed, good UX response, etc...

No? Well, that's quite unfortunate... because you know, my Intel MacBook from 2010, the thing that I just fished out from the storage, that was sold about the same time as the iPhone 4? That thing still runs fine, with good speed and good UX response. That was back when Apple was still trying to win users over to their side, back when "better overall experience" was a reality and not just a promise.

Then it was all downhill from there. The most recent fiasco was Catalina. If I could run my 16" MacBook on Mojave, that's what I'd do. But it's stuck on Catalina or Big Sur. So I'm not sure what you mean by "better overall experience", but as a Mac user who still remembers how 2010 felt like, who still has to live with the decisions made in 2020, I'm approaching Apple of 2021 with a 10-ft pole. And apparently, I'm not the only one. Quote:

It is interesting how Apple (and probably the other computer manufacturers) have turned buying a new computer from a joyous exciting event to a terrifying, gut wrenching process.

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robvas

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2010 MacBook is a turd today. Works, but it’s very slow especially on the web
 

richinaus

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iPhone and iPad only run one app at a time... compared to all apps running at the same time on a MacBook or iMac, so the comparison is not truly "fair" per se.

And the graph you want to look at is this one:
nbK1rIq.jpg


Apple very strategically showed a "cloud of possibilities" rather than an actual definitive "Apple Silicon is here" marker. Plus they did not show that cloud being higher in performance than other desktops.

But anyways, you're free to interpret it any way you want, just like I'm seeing only "improved efficiency" from it.



I'm quite certain your iPhone 4 is still running fine, with good speed, good UX response, etc...

No? Well, that's quite unfortunate... because you know, my Intel MacBook from 2010, the thing that I just fished out from the storage, that was sold about the same time as the iPhone 4? That thing still runs fine, with good speed and good UX response. That was back when Apple was still trying to win users over to their side, back when "better overall experience" was a reality and not just a promise.

Then it was all downhill from there. The most recent fiasco was Catalina. If I could run my 16" MacBook on Mojave, that's what I'd do. But it's stuck on Catalina or Big Sur. So I'm not sure what you mean by "better overall experience", but as a Mac user who still remembers how 2010 felt like, who still has to live with the decisions made in 2020, I'm approaching Apple of 2021 with a 10-ft pole. And apparently, I'm not the only one. Quote:



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The purchase and use of an Apple product is on the whole a much better experience than the one with a PC from any brand. Exporting a PDF is a prime example, or using photos, music and generally all media IMHO.

I am not defending Catalina but I tend to believe their focus was on AS for the last few years and as such mistakes were made.

Also the development of a phone and especially at iPhone 4 stage was much quicker and exponential than the established development of a computer. Which is why one doesn’t work with the current OS and one will.

Do you believe your iphone 4 has the hardware to enable all the current functions of the present iPhone? And it appears you feel it should?
I far far prefer the current situation than the one you expect and I imagine most others do.

I still remember clearly how the last transition went, and I think what will happen is that for ‘normal’ computer users this transition will be seamless. However i know it is going to be rocky for me and my business use so got a PC to provide that stability, so no you are not the only one.
But I also think expectations and reality need to be considered, plus the fact that the user experience is going to improve massively again with the AS implementation, although it is probably going to get more consumer orientated.
 
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bill-p

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2010 MacBook is a turd today. Works, but it’s very slow especially on the web

If you install Snow Leopard and use Firefox, it works well enough. It certainly isn't a speed demon, but then again, I also had a 12" MacBook, and that thing was certainly not faster than the 2010 MacBook.

The purchase and use of an Apple product is on the whole a much better experience than the one with a PC from any brand. Exporting a PDF is a prime example, or using photos, music and generally all media IMHO.

I am not defending Catalina but I tend to believe their focus was on AS for the last few years and as such mistakes were made.

Also the development of a phone and especially at iPhone 4 stage was much quicker and exponential than the established development of a computer. Which is why one doesn’t work with the current OS and one will.

Do you believe your iphone 4 has the hardware to enable all the current functions of the present iPhone? And it appears you feel it should?
I far far prefer the current situation than the one you expect and I imagine most others do.

I still remember clearly how the last transition went, and I think what will happen is that for ‘normal’ computer users this transition will be seamless. However i know it is going to be rocky for me and my business use so got a PC to provide that stability, so no you are not the only one.
But I also think expectations and reality need to be considered, plus the fact that the user experience is going to improve massively again with the AS implementation, although it is probably going to get more consumer orientated.

I still develop software for Windows, so... short of doing a full-on comparison between Windows 10 and Mac OS, I'd just say that Windows has come a long way. There are rough edges, but Microsoft is doing a good job addressing those. Generally, I've found that if I got a Windows device from Microsoft that it tends to hold up pretty well.

I'm using the iPhone 4 and the MacBook from 2010 to hint at the fact that: Apple Silicon from 10 years ago is now obsolete. Intel Mac from 10 years ago, while not perfect, is still usable today. That speaks to how strong Apple's engineering for the Mac was back 10 years ago, and how the "writing was on the wall" for Apple Silicon devices all the way back as far as the iPhone 4.

Granted, I do upgrade my computer every now and then anyways. That's why I have the 16"... but it used to be that I wouldn't upgrade a computer for a long time, and now I feel like I need to buy the next version of the 16", whether it has AS or not, in hopes that the problems that are plaguing it now will be better, and that Apple will pay more attention to it. Each time I had done that for the previous 4 years, I had been seriously let down. I'm sure you can still remember the butterfly keyboard? I still have all of the keyboard replacement receipts.

Is this because Apple is too focused on Apple Silicon? I doubt it. They should be able to dedicate resources to the development and maintenance of various segments of products. It's not like Apple is a small outfit with only 10 employees. They are a big corporation that's rapidly expanding and hiring new people.

And it's not like the Mac is the only thing tumbling recently. I have a Homepod as well, that's... basically sitting in my living room like a "not so artful" rock. There's the Apple TV that desperately needs a hardware overhaul. And then there are the Airport and Time Capsule devices that Apple has pretty much abandoned.

So there's a general sense that Apple is purposefully "neglecting" certain product lines.

I don't know. I have been let down so many times by Apple now that I do have to ask: when Apple Silicon comes, will it be better because it truly is better? Or is it because the previous iterations were so bad that AS "felt" better? It's looking more like the latter to me.
 

richinaus

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If you install Snow Leopard and use Firefox, it works well enough. It certainly isn't a speed demon, but then again, I also had a 12" MacBook, and that thing was certainly not faster than the 2010 MacBook.



I still develop software for Windows, so... short of doing a full-on comparison between Windows 10 and Mac OS, I'd just say that Windows has come a long way. There are rough edges, but Microsoft is doing a good job addressing those. Generally, I've found that if I got a Windows device from Microsoft that it tends to hold up pretty well.

I'm using the iPhone 4 and the MacBook from 2010 to hint at the fact that: Apple Silicon from 10 years ago is now obsolete. Intel Mac from 10 years ago, while not perfect, is still usable today. That speaks to how strong Apple's engineering for the Mac was back 10 years ago, and how the "writing was on the wall" for Apple Silicon devices all the way back as far as the iPhone 4.

Granted, I do upgrade my computer every now and then anyways. That's why I have the 16"... but it used to be that I wouldn't upgrade a computer for a long time, and now I feel like I need to buy the next version of the 16", whether it has AS or not, in hopes that the problems that are plaguing it now will be better, and that Apple will pay more attention to it. Each time I had done that for the previous 4 years, I had been seriously let down. I'm sure you can still remember the butterfly keyboard? I still have all of the keyboard replacement receipts.

Is this because Apple is too focused on Apple Silicon? I doubt it. They should be able to dedicate resources to the development and maintenance of various segments of products. It's not like Apple is a small outfit with only 10 employees. They are a big corporation that's rapidly expanding and hiring new people.

And it's not like the Mac is the only thing tumbling recently. I have a Homepod as well, that's... basically sitting in my living room like a "not so artful" rock. There's the Apple TV that desperately needs a hardware overhaul. And then there are the Airport and Time Capsule devices that Apple has pretty much abandoned.

So there's a general sense that Apple is purposefully "neglecting" certain product lines.

I don't know. I have been let down so many times by Apple now that I do have to ask: when Apple Silicon comes, will it be better because it truly is better? Or is it because the previous iterations were so bad that AS "felt" better? It's looking more like the latter to me.

I am sat here right now on a PC and have been using both OS’s for 20+ years, so I know all the differences / benefits etc. and don’t require your comparison. Its all personal opinion though on a lot of things, so we wont go there.

I also feel let down by Apple but more on the pro side of things, hence PC’s too, and have seen for some time they are more focussed on the consumer / media side of things than anything else. There is a good reason they have FCP and Logic as their pro apps.

But sometimes you have to realise - is Apple right for me in this situation. No point getting stressed about it and basically make the right choices.
I also have an 16” MBP, iPad Pro, iPhone pro, air pods, watch, HomePod, Apple TV etc. All of it. sometimes I think they are a P.O.S. In some way, then I look at the competition and calm down.
 

Joelist

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Sorry but I have had no issues with Catalina, Mojave or Yosemite. Indeed the last versions that were problems for me were Leopard (spit) and Snow Leopard. My favorite is still Tiger but Catalina is fine.

By the way a 10 year old A Series (which would be A4) wasn't actually Apple Silicon yet - it was just a licensed Cortex A8. Apple Silicon actually came into being starting at A6 in 2012 and there was an immediate and very large performance jump. A11 was where Apple moved off of PowerVR for their own GPU design. And so things have developed to where today with A13 it beats Intel Core i7s in both single and multicore and is also the most performant mobile SOC out there.
 
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throAU

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Will a first Gen ARM based MacBook Pro Surpasss and Outperform the previous Intel based Version ? I’m gonna say No.

the iPad Pro CPUs have already outperformed most 13" laptop processors for the past 3-4 years.

the ARM processors designed for notebook use from the outset will outperform that.

In most things my 10.5" iPad Pro from 2-3 years ago outperforms my 2020 MacBook Air i7 with no noise and heat.

Intel mobile processors are trash and haven't really come very far since Sandy Bridge in 2011 outside of specific niche use cases.

Tiger lake will be a big jump, but that's only generation to generation - they've got 10 years worth of sitting on ass to make up for and tiger lake isn't that big a leap.

There's a reason people are still getting by in a lot of cases with MacBooks from 2010 and sometimes even earlier - because intel processors haven't made very much progress.
 
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throAU

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In fact, it's only the enthusiasts who are claiming Apple Silicon will provide better performance. I'm pretty sure Apple themselves only promised better efficiency, so... more battery life, less heat, less fan noise.

I'm already seeing real world better performance as above. My iPad runs rings around the 2020 MBA running stuff like Swift Playgrounds or games like Neverwinter Nights - with no fan noise. And that's an A10X!

Software is holding the iPad back, not processing power. The processors in them are nuts - considering the power budget they're working within. Ramp the power up for a notebook (and or manufacture on improved TSMC process tech) and performance will be even better.
 
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leman

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I'm not sure what you are trying to say by stating it's "just marketing". 10nm and 7nm are hard physical measurements. You can't fudge your numbers to say 7 is equal 10. That's not how it works.

Unfortunately, and to our confusion, this is not the case.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_nm_process (check out the comparison tables)

And reality shows that linear scaling is not how it works. There is no assumption with regards to scaling. Twice the core count just doesn't equate to twice the performance. That only happens in an ideal model, and real world is not ideal.

The problem is not parallelism, but that there is no way to estimate the "weight" of a workload, so a linear distribution system just doesn't work. For instance, for a GPU, you can definitely segment rendering workload into sections of a frame and have them all execute in parallel, but certain sections will definitely render faster than others (say, if you're just rendering a background in one section versus in another section where you have to render models + shaders + background). So performance is more dependent on how efficient your scheduler is versus how many processing units you have. And you can't make a scheduler parallel.

Most of the time we are talking about distribution workload of X items over N parallel processors. If we assume that the items are drawn from the same distribution, and there are no further bottlenecks, then by doubling the number of processors (while keeping the processors exactly the same) you can reasonably expect amortized halving of execution time. The work scheduler on GPUs is a batch system, similar in spirit to what you find on HPC clusters. For compute workloads on GPUs, where you explicitly state "I want this routine to run over an array of these 10000 items" — something like Apple A12Z (8 cores) will then have to run ~1250 items per core while a 2080 GTX (46 cores) will only need to do 220 items per core. For graphical work, these items could be triangles and/or screen-space tiles (in case of Apple TBDR GPUs). E.g. a 4 core Apple GPU can shade 4 tiles in parallel wheel an 8 core Apple GPU can work on 8 tiles in parallel etc. If you want to know more details about how work is scheduled on a modern Nvidia GPU, this document is gold.

Of course, as you rightfully point out, real world is much more complicated. You have latencies, shared limited resources (memory bandwidth, caches etc.), inter-core synchronization (in rare cases), setup overheads etc. But I think that linear scaling is a reasonable approximation if we can assume that the work is indeed compute-limited (and not say, memory or setup limited) — which is often the case with relatively low-powered GPUs. Again, when you look at benchmarks of iPhone vs iPad GPUs, you will observe scaling very close to linear. Studying scaling effects on other GPUs is more complicated since there are a lot of factors that change (bus width, memory bandwidth, clocks etc.), but still, something like a GTX 1660 Ti (24 cores) is approximately 50-60% faster than a GTX 1650 (16 cores), which is fairly close to linear scaling when you consider other differences. Beyond those performance levels, I agree with you you start noticing diminished effects as setup overhead becomes more pronounced.


There's a reason why RTX 3080 with twice the core count can only achieve at most a 80% performance boost over 2080.

Well, one of the reasons is simply that RTX 2080 does not have twice the core count. This is again Nvidia's marketing department talking. A RTX 2080 has the same number of cores as the RTX 2080, it's just that one of it's ALUs gained additional capabilities. More specifically, an execution unit in Turing contains a floating-point and an integer ALU. In Ampere, Nvidia has updated the integer unit to be capable of executing floating-point operations. So where Turing could do 16-wide float+int per clock per execution unit, Ampere can potentially do float+float or float+int. Since Nvidia counts "shader cores" as theoretical peak of FP32 MADD throughput, they can claim 100% incense in this metric over Turing. This is similar if Intel were to claim the Ice Lake doubles the amount of cores compared to Coffee Lake (because you know, AVX-512). Of course, we don't take this kind of crap from CPU makers, but we happily chew down the claims of GPU marketing divisions.

Put differently, Ampere increases instruction level parallelism (more work potentially done per core), but I was talking about thread level parallelism (increasing the number of cores that can execute threads).

Apple's Metal API is nowhere near the maturity needed for efficiency and performance as Vulkan or OpenGL, for instance. The most one can say about Metal is... well, it gives Apple more control, and it requires less effort from developers, but that's about it.

Could you elaborate more how you arrive at this conclusion? Metal is a fairly simple API and it brings all (or at least most) tools one needs. What else do you need to efficiency and performance?

I am also surprised that you mention OpenGL and "efficiency" in the same sentence. OpenGL is just a confusing mess of obsolete abstractions at this point. Yes, you can make reasonably performant OpenGL code by leveraging extensions and whatnot, but at this point you are way better off just using Vulkan or DX12.
 
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ascender

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And the graph you want to look at is this one:
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Apple very strategically showed a "cloud of possibilities" rather than an actual definitive "Apple Silicon is here" marker. Plus they did not show that cloud being higher in performance than other desktops.

But anyways, you're free to interpret it any way you want, just like I'm seeing only "improved efficiency" from it.

They've obviously used that graph to make a very simple point though. Not all notebooks will be at the same point on the x & y axis, just as the desktops won't be.

But without showing their hand about the model lineups, there's not much else they could show? They wouldn't want to use current Intel-based Macs on there as its all about the future.

That graph to me shows there will be a range of devices which will occupy different positions on the x & y axis. Just as they are today.
 

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The new MacBooks will blow away Intel Macs.

Performance for Safari and other first tier apps will be fantastic.

Other apps, that will rely on Rosetta 2 for 1-2 years before they’re updated, will have performance on or or slightly better than current Macs.

If you need bootcamp or gaming, you may buy the Intel Macs that are still on sale

Performance for safari?!? Thats your bragging point? Help me out here, have people suggested safari is sluggish on a 4, 6 or 8 core intel mac?
Hint: its not sluggish at all
 
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People keep getting confused because the DTK uses an iPad processor, which is an iPhone processor with more graphics cores.
That is NOT Apple Silicon. AS is a dedicated set of Systems on a chip for Macs. They will be many many times more powerful than the iPhone processor.
But for comparison remember that A12z benchmarks equal to a intel 9900k desktop processor and Again AS is much much faster, I hope that you can see the promise that AS is going to offer.
 

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WiFi 6 wasn’t intentionally left out, Apple don’t use 2x2 WiFi cards, only 3x3 and some could argue a WiFi 5 3x3 can be better than a WiFi 6 2x2 in some use cases. 3x3 WiFi card availability was very late (and in unknown quantities) so missed being part of MacBooks.
The macbook (2015 gen) MacBook Pro non tb (and now base tb model) use 2x2... the reason was intel 10th gen doesn’t support wifi 6. I think they’ll need an extra chip as well as the wifi chip to support it or something and would be too complicated.
11th gen supports wifi 6
 
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The original post doesn’t even make sense. Of course it’s going to be faster and of course there’s going to be problems with operating systems that aren’t made for ARM. Sure there’s going to be people that need a computer to boot both Windows and macOS but I think virtualization will cover most of these people. If you need a dedicated Windows PC then a Mac just isn’t that. I bought a non computer relative a MacBook once and the first thing she wanted to know is how to install Windows. I was like WTF but I simply said it was a MacBook and it runs off macOS. She actually started to use it and really loved it. I’m not saying that some applications or users don’t need Windows but if you’re buying a Mac just to install Windows then IDK
 

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The macbook (2015 gen) MacBook Pro non tb (and now base tb model) use 2x2... the reason was intel 10th gen doesn’t support wifi 6. I think they’ll need an extra chip as well as the wifi chip to support it or something and would be too complicated.
11th gen supports wifi 6
I think this was a big reason Apple left Intel. Intel was just holding back Apple when it comes to technology
 
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Try to have a little faith in the company, or at the very least, its economic modeling, to provide value to its clients. The switch to ARM will bring silicon investment into the arms of Apple, and this will help lead them toward being able to allocate more resources to R&D and the end product rather than being beholden to obnoxious lawsuits and hardware limitations. Never forget these are complex machines and a feat of engineering.

The removal of ports was a design decision with trade-offs. It does not save them tremendous money to exclude another port. A portless machine ought to be the goal in my eyes, and it has certainly been the prediction since the hour that carrying around your case of CDs was no longer that cool. Lol.
 

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I’m not concerned at all about speed. Apple will probably deliver here. It’s software. It’s what you can do which windows isn’t a part of anymore. Some on here have said Apple has directly said they won’t lock it down to Mac store. And devs will have their programs all updated to native arm versions in no time. I’ll believe it when we see it.

Some have said iphone and iPad are app consoles. Let’s hope that isn’t the future of macs.
 
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All I want is something that will do EXACTLY what my Mac does at the moment. And then some. And hopefully, "then some" translates into dragon-slaying performance all round, but without low-wattage translating into bankruptcy-inducingly-expensive! That's the hope.
 

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I’m not concerned at all about speed. Apple will probably deliver here. It’s software. It’s what you can do which windows isn’t a part of anymore. Some on here have said Apple has directly said they won’t lock it down to Mac store. And devs will have their programs all updated to native arm versions in no time. I’ll believe it when we see it.

Some have said iphone and iPad are app consoles. Let’s hope that isn’t the future of macs.
Apple has no reason to lock the Mac down to the App Store. They're already dealing with the nightmare of the iOS App Store so they don't want another. People have higher expectations of security with their phones but just accept that their computers are vulnerable. As to devs updating their programs it'll depend on if it's not abandoned. Some devs make apps then abandon them just so they can go to the next one and keep making money off the previous ones.
 

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The all over the map speculation about the future A14X CPU, WIFI, RAM, battery life and other is interesting if not telling. I read the fanboy statements of fact, as they see it, but the realists openly admit, no one here knows that future. Yes, we all have speculation based upon what we believe to be accurate leaks, as well as our own preferences and biases.

Three weeks ago I purchased the Macbook Pro 13 with the 16Gb of RAM and 512Gb SSD/m. Boy was I excited since I've not had a Macbook Pro for over 8 years (I recently switched from Windows to Mac, after having years ago switched from Mac to Windows). When I got it home it went right on the charger. Hours later I started using it, and within an hour I was getting cooked. I got 5 hours first charge, and 4.5 second charge so I took it back.

Now I'm impatiently waiting on the next version with the whatever x/ cpu. Whatever that x/cpu is it will have to be better on power, heat and longevity.
 

cardfan

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Apple has no reason to lock the Mac down to the App Store. They're already dealing with the nightmare of the iOS App Store so they don't want another. People have higher expectations of security with their phones but just accept that their computers are vulnerable. As to devs updating their programs it'll depend on if it's not abandoned. Some devs make apps then abandon them just so they can go to the next one and keep making money off the previous ones.

Apple has plenty of reason to lock it down. 30%. You haven’t been paying attention if you think otherwise. iPad apps that just work? Only in the Mac App Store. Universal app purchases can include Mac version now.

Apple has assured only a niche of devs they’ll be able to do what you can do on an intel Mac. And that was entirely vague and carefully worded. If it’s not locked down they could certainly be more reassuring about it. They’re not. Why not?

As for abandoned apps? There has to be money to be made. Apple silicon has zero users at this point.
 

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Apple has plenty of reason to lock it down. 30%. You haven’t been paying attention if you think otherwise. iPad apps that just work? Only in the Mac App Store. Universal app purchases can include Mac version now.

Apple has assured only a niche of devs they’ll be able to do what you can do on an intel Mac. And that was entirely vague and carefully worded. If it’s not locked down they could certainly be more reassuring about it. They’re not. Why not?

As for abandoned apps? There has to be money to be made. Apple silicon has zero users at this point.
You're right Apple makes money off the App Store (The same as every other app store) but locking down the Mac at this point would not work because the Mac App Store sucks TBH. Unlike the iOS App Store there is little reason for a dev to put their app there. Also as I said in my post that people expect less security from their computers. I just don't see Apple wanting to take on that kind of burden. I think people saying that Apple is going to lock down the Mac to their app store is just people wanting to complain about Apple. Yeah lets complain about something they're not even doing and haven't said they would do. There's not even a good source of leak that said this would happen. I could litterally just make up something. Apple is going to sell the new ARM MacBooks without a monitor. You'll have to buy a monitor from them or use an adapter that they sell for say $500. Should we be upset about this?
 
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