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AT&T Publicly Responds to Verizon Ad Campaign

kdarling said:
Wrong. It has nothing to do with actual EDGE speeds, low as they are.

One reason ATT itself does not consider its EDGE to be 3G, is because its implementation (and the capability of the iPhone's chip) limit it to ~240Kbps even as a theoretical maximum.

The ONLY way EDGE can meet 3G speeds is to take up all voice and data timeslots in a single direction... and that just cannot happen on ATT or the iPhone.
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It doesn't mean it is not a 3G standard. Just because it doesn't meet it, doesn't mean it ain't. However, voice/data at the same time doesn't disqualify it as a 3G tech. It's up to AT&T to make that call.

dmelgar said:
Why is anyone trying to defend AT&T?
It lists non-burst speeds. Those are sustained. I've never had less than 400kbps on EVDO. Typically 700-1.2mbps. I've never had more then 140kbps with EDGE.
iPhone is great. AT&T is not.
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AT&T is great. I haven't problems with them, so I think its fair to call Verizon a liar. Also, check your posts again... I'm prett sure you have burst written there.
 
bradl said:
Wow.. a rational and informative comment in this entire thread. How bloody shocking.

I'll also go on record and say that I must be the only one on this entire forum who has yet to experience a dropped call anywhere I've been with the iPhone, regardless of EDGE or 3G. Places I've been:

CA: Sacramento, Davis, Vacaville, Vallejo, Berkeley, San Fransisco, Redwood City, Folsom, Roseville, Placerville, S. Lake Tahoe.

NV: Las Vegas, Henderson, Boulder City, Mesquite, Moapa, Beatty, Fallon, Tonopah, Lake Tahoe, Carson City, Reno, Laughlin.

NE: Omaha, Lincoln, Millard, Kearney, Bellevue.

IA: Des Moines, Council Bluffs, Sioux City.

AZ: Phoenix, Mesa, Wickenburg, Prescott, Kingman, Bullhead City, Flagstaff.

CO: Denver.

OK: Hugo, McAlester, Henrietta, Oklahoma City, Midwest City, Del City, Tulsa, Guthrie, Ardmore, Durant, Olkmugee, Jenks.

MO: Kansas City, Independence, Flourissant, St. Louis, St. Charles.

KY: Louisville.

Seems kinda hard for me to believe that ATT has such a crappy network, when I'm getting results everywhere I go.

BL.
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I've used AT&T's network in a few of those places too. I will say that I experience dropped calls quite regularly. And to that I say - IT'S WORTH EVERY DROPPED CALL! If you have the iPhone you're using the greatest smartphone ever created, period. In fact to call it a smartphone is an insult. That is not a fanboy comment - it is a fact.

Some people on this list are commenting who really don't know the difference between EVDO, HSDPA/UMTS, GSM, CDMA and which companies use which technologies - give me a break! The bottom line is this: both companies use technologies that have their strengths and weaknesses. Right now, I'll take AT&T. At least on AT&T and the iPhone you can look something up using a 3G data connection in Safari without terminating the call you're on! Try that on Verizon and the Droid. Use 3G data while on a call? Droid doesn't!

As far as the dispute goes, AT&T has the right to defend itself against what it believes to be false and misleading advertising. They need to do it, and at the same time work diligently to have the best, most expansive 4G network, because when they're all using the same technologies, well, then it's really game on.
 
tuhoops said:
As far as the dispute goes, AT&T has the right to defend itself against what it believes to be false and misleading advertising. They need to do it, and at the same time work diligently to have the best, most expansive 4G network, because when they're all using the same technologies, well, then it's really game on.
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The money they waste on frivolous legal actions only delays that "best and most expansive 4G network", not to mention improving their mediocre 3G service.
 
I'll have sympathy for AT&T when I go a week without several dropped calls (in a place with their "nation's fastest" 3G coverage).

I'd contend that most smart phone customers know exactly what "3G" vs. edge is because of Apple's marketing push with the iPhone 3G.

The reason AT&T is up in arms is because the truth hurts: their network isn't as good as Verizon's and they're being called out for it. What AT&T advocates would confuse customers more than what Verizon is doing (with "3G Coverage" in big, bold letters), but I think that's AT&T's point.
 
Aadhil said:
I guess that's one of the perks of living near Apple HQ. AT&T makes sure our area coverage is good so that Apple doesn't complain :p
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I always have 3G coverage with my iPhone. The only times I haven't in a year and a half are when camping or driving cross country.
 
bradl said:
AZ: Phoenix, Mesa, Wickenburg, Prescott, Kingman, Bullhead City, Flagstaff.
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As someone who works in Tempe, regularly makes trips to into Scottsdale and Mesa, and yet lives out in the West Valley (near Goodyear), I can say that AT&T's coverage "isn't bad".

I have had a few dropped calls. What seems to be worse though than actual dropped calls, are calls cutting out and then back in.

Having used Verizon before making the switch to AT&T, I can also tell you that it seems like AT&T's coverage in the Valley isn't as good as that of Verizon's. When I visit one of my friends in what is now in the most southern part of Avondale, my iPhone picks up usually one to two bars of coverage, and it's one of the worst areas for call quality. It was always fine with Verizon though. Even Cricket was able to reach that far :/
 
I hate AT&T in Denver. Driving home from work, there are three completely dead spots in the middle of busy residential areas. I predict to the intersection when the call I am on will drop. It's bad.

Just ordered Verizon/Droid today. Hopefully the hype about their network is true here in Denver. Goodbye iPhone.
 
"3G. 233 million people or 75% of the population are covered by AT&T's 3G network, the nation's fastest."

That means nothing unless they expect everyone to stay at home while using their mobile phone.
 
Aaton35 said:
The Droid is cool but the battery life is abysmal and the OS is clunky and slow.
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How is it clunky and slow? (I'm truly curious, so don't take this question in a negative way).

One of my closest friends (he's also a coworker where I am) recently switched from an iPhone 3G with AT&T over to the Droid with Verizon. So far, he's been nothing short of impressed. The screen is definitely an improvement. The call quality is better, and from the limited time I've had with it, Android seems responsive and more than capable.

Just about the only thing that seems to truly be missing, is multi-touch, and that's just due to issues with whether or not they can do it in the US apparently (as supposedly the Droid will offer multi-touch in Europe).

And just for the record, he's also a fairly big fan of Apple (he's not someone who's only Apple product is the iPhone).
 
DamnDJ said:
I hate AT&T in Denver. Driving home from work, there are three completely dead spots in the middle of busy residential areas. I predict to the intersection when the call I am on will drop. It's bad.

Just ordered Verizon/Droid today. Hopefully the hype about their network is true here in Denver. Goodbye iPhone.
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Don't do it! You will probably end up hating the Droid after about a month...and you'll want your iPhone back! I believe Verizon has just doubled their early termination fee...don't sign a contract if you can avoid it...
 
AT&T is just further embarrassing itself. Kind of ridiculous at this point. Cut your losses and move on already. Verizon is going to beat them to LTE availability too so I don't think it's going to get any better.

As for network quality, use whatever works best for you in your area. Problem solved?
 
"Virtually Identical"???

How exactly can a service that is nearly transparent to the user, apart from download speed, be "virtually identical" to a slower service. All the user sees is the SPEED. It'd be like saying that a 28.8 modem is "broadband" because it's "virtually identical" to DSL/cable (except for being wicked slow).

Oh wait, I think the telcos are trying that line anyways, as the lobby the FCC to reduce the definition of "broadband" to <300kbps down. Meanwhile, countries where the telcos actually compete are pushing 100Mbps links to home users...
 
....majority of those areas are covered by the company's EDGE network, which the company claims is virtually identical to its 3G coverage with the exception of data transfer speed.
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LOL....God the people over at AT&T are idiots.

jav6454 said:
It doesn't mean it is not a 3G standard. Just because it doesn't meet it, doesn't mean it ain't. However, voice/data at the same time doesn't disqualify it as a 3G tech. It's up to AT&T to make that call.
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Bwahahahahhahahahaha.......let a carrier decide "3G"? Hahahahahahahahha......hands down the stupidest comment of the year....of the century! Let's call GPRS 3G too, while we're at it.
Jav6454, give it up already. It's pretty obvious you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. *facepalm*
 
Bubba Satori said:
You really do struggle with reading comprehension, don't you ? Help is available.

Btw, why would anyone want a telephone company to burn in hell? Mental issues?
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Editing your post doesn't you one bit.... I think the bigger issue here is you not reading the full thread before looking down at one comment and then quoting it as the the whole idea. Also, saying one wants x thing to burn in hell doesn't mean mental instability.

Also, the 1st grade teacher is on the phone with me, he tells me its time for your lesson in reading and also time for your nap.

strike1555 said:
LOL....God the people over at AT&T are idiots.



Bwahahahahhahahahaha.......let a carrier decide "3G"? Hahahahahahahahha......hands down the stupidest comment of the year....of the century! Let's call GPRS 3G too, while we're at it.
Jav6454, give it up already. It's pretty obvious you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. *facepalm*
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By far the stupidest post ever. Read again and again and again... there is a huge PDF there waiting for you. It's from the IMU, try and calling them liars.... by far, this post surpasses any stupidity levels I have encountered.
 
I agree that Verizon's ad is very misleading. It shows that AT&T actually has ANY coverage in the areas highlighted. Who cares about the white space on the map. AT&T has been horrible for me. I won't generalize to say that it's horrible for everyone but I have never had a dropped call in the past eight years until I got an iPhone. I now drop at least one call a week and that's with only making about ten calls a week total on my cell. Most of these calls are made from an office or from another stationary position not moving in a car or walking. My phone constantly fluctuates between 3G and Edge just sitting on my desk and I'm in a corner office so I don't have much interference from the building itself and lots of windows. I live in Madison, WI which seems to have somewhat decent 3G coverage depending on where you are so I don't get the dropped call issue. I've had my phone looked at by the local Apple store and they didn't find anything wrong with it. Other than the network. My wife has a Verizon phone and has zero issues. If the iPhone ever goes to Verizon I will go with it.
 
Well if Verizon is really claiming that they have EVDO Rev. A speeds out in the middle of Montana and other red sparsely populated places on their map, all I can do is give that a big LOL and a "Riiiiiiight."
 
jav6454 said:
Editing your post doesn't you one bit.... I think the bigger issue here is you not reading the full thread before looking down at one comment and then quoting it as the the whole idea. Also, saying one wants x thing to burn in hell doesn't mean mental instability.

Also, the 1st grade teacher is on the phone with me, he tells me its time for your lesson in reading and also time for your nap.




By far the stupidest post ever. Read again and again and again... there is a huge PDF there waiting for you. It's from the IMU, try and calling them liars.... by far, this post surpasses any stupidity levels I have encountered.
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And you dance around my entire argument with an ad hominem - LOL.


God you fail hard.
 
mbprouser said:
So, its false of Verizon to say they have a larger 3G area of coverage than AT&T? I know for a fact that Verizon isn't lying about that. I cannot wait until my AT&T contract runs out in Jan.
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Did you see David Pogue's report that Verizon later this month intro's a new pricing scheme, whereby at the end of two years of a contract buyers of smart phones will STILL owe a $110 cancellation fee? That doesn't seem inclined to win friends, especially among those who prize new tech and might want to get a newer phone in even less than 24 months. I just replaced my 3G with a 3G S, for ex, 12 months after I bought it. No penalty from ATT. I can't imagine Verizon being able to stick with that policy in a competitive marketplace.

But let me add i'm very disappointed in ATT's service in one of the two markets I spend time in.
 
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