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On campus I struggle to get ANY signal, even EDGE. Some family with iPhones can't get any service unless they drive half-way across town. This is all in the Willamette Valley along I-5, they should have this place covered.
 
It is a COMPARATIVE exercise --- VZW just have to suck less than the rest of the carriers. Not really hard to be number 1 in consumer satisfaction in surveys when the rest of the peck suck even more.

If you're going to respond to my post, you should really read it in the correct context. So let me make it ridiculously clear.

I'm not arguing about the quality of any carrier one way or the other, nor am I expressing my own views about the superiority of any carrier. What I'm saying is that AT&T needs to quit whining and pick Verizon's weak spot (i.e., their very public record of lousy customer service and unreasonably high fees) and hammer on that fact in their ads.

My posting of articles concerning Verizon's high fees and bad service is just showing that there's ample ammo out there for AT&T should they choose to buck up and fight back.
 
If you're going to respond to my post, you should really read it in the correct context. So let me make it ridiculously clear.

I'm not arguing about the quality of any carrier one way or the other, nor am I expressing my own views about the superiority of any carrier. What I'm saying is that AT&T needs to quit whining and pick Verizon's weak spot (i.e., their very public record of lousy customer service and unreasonably high fees) and hammer on that fact in their ads.

My posting of articles concerning Verizon's high fees and bad service is just showing that there's ample ammo out there for AT&T should they choose to buck up and fight back.

And I am saying that there are going to be a million times more public record on AT&T's lousy customer service and that Verizon's price plans match AT&T price plans.
 
I'm not even in advertising and I already have a killer idea for how AT&T can fight back.

Open the ad with various Verizon customers chatting on their phones who watch incredulous as nickels and dimes start jumping out of their purses and pockets and rolling away. The customers get up and follow only to find that the coins are rolling straight to the Verizon guy (a look-alike obviously) and his crowd grabbing at the coins and pocketing them. The customers look at the Verizon guy who smiles sheepishly. The customer says, "So that's why you follow me around everywhere."

Voice-over: "Tired of being nickelled and dimed by Verizon but afraid to switch because of Verizon's high cancellation costs? Switch to AT&T now and we'll cover costs for you. Blah blah."

And I am saying that there are going to be a million times more public record on AT&T's lousy customer service and that Verizon's price plans match AT&T price plans.

You want to keep arguing that but I don't care whose service is better or worse. That's not the point I'm making. I'm talking about AT&T going on the attack instead of whining.
 
Iphone

im sorry i love my iphone but i dislike att a high price for bad coverage so i switched to verizon got the storm 2 until verizon gets the iphone i wont be back sold the iphone got an ipod 160 gig apple needs to move to verizon
 
Pathetic. :mad:

Just invest in your subpar network, AT&T.

It's been well documented many time over that since the iPhone launched three years ago AT&T has been investing something like $4 billion (yes, with a B) in their network. I can't imagine how badly they sucked before that! LOL
 
I just know if Verizon would of had the iPhone first, it wouldnt of been as successful, because their network cant simultaneously handle both data and voice, so if you want to recieve or make a phone call while on the internet, sorry folks, CDMA cant do it. The iphone experience wouldnt be the same as it is on ATT. To me that is a HUGE HUGE thing in the smartphone world..and anyone who says it isnt, is just plain stupid! Verizon is 5 years back, old technology, that's why they are moving to LTE, because their network RIGHT NOW cant give you the same user experience as you can have on ATT. Sure 5 years ago, when smartphones were just popping up in the market, it didnt really matter...But the iPhone changed everything... I wouldnt be surprised if Steve Jobs walked out of his meeting with verizon or hung up the phone on them when he found out CDMA couldnt handle both voice and data simultaneously when he first pitched the iPhone to them...So all the Verizon fanboys out there, keep drinking your verizon red koolaid, because, everyone knows, verizon's phones all suck and i do not know of one verizon phone that doesnt have their crappy logo on it..

Seriously? You're kidding right? Hey, I think AT&T should contest the Verizon ads, however, let's get our facts straight. When the iPhone was launched, it was not 3G HSDPA/UMTS capable - it was only EDGE capable (nevermind that AT&T had 3G coverage at the time, as I was using it on a Samsung Blackjack before I got my iPhone on launch day). You can't simultaneously use voice and data on EDGE, so the post above is inaccurate at best and just plain silly.
 
a little late to this party, but just wanted to chime in on my opinion of the at&t is better, no verizon is... theme. i have both verizon (work - blackberry) and at&t (home- iphone). when i am at work in the office, the verizon phone works fine, no dropped calls. the iphone, bad signal, dropped calls. at home the iphone is PERFECT, but i can't even text on the berry, because i have absolutely no verizon signal in my house. i'm in 3g area for both services.

so, with that said, they are a draw. depends on how close i am to the tower, in reality. and i'm in heavily populated south florida, so there are towers everywhere.

that said, it also depends on the device. i've had 3g service with my LG CU500, never never never dropped a call anywhere. upgraded to a nokia n75, never held a call, all drops. hated that phone. got a SE W760 occasional dropped calls - not as good as the LG not as bad as the Nokia. Finally got the iphone 3GS. very few dropped calls, mostly in my office. so the equipment plays a HUGE role in this game. friends with 2g and 3g iphones complain of drops, but those that upgraded to the 3gs, not so much now.

overall, at&t is my fav because they don't have the terrible UI that verizon has nor do they lock (most) of their phone down, and of the 2 3g networks, when tethered to my computer, at&t is by far faster. (btw, the fastest tethering i've gotten was with the w760) also the whole data/voice simultaneous thing helps to. after a call on the berry i all of the sudden get all of those emails come thru that i already checked with my iphone exchange service :)
 
Pogue wrote, "Starting next week, Verizon will double the early-termination fee for smartphones....This fee drops slowly over time ($10 a month), but after two years, it’s still $110. If the premise of the early-termination fee is to help Verizon recoup its original cost of the phone (see my analysis here http://bit.ly/pOkXz), shouldn’t the fee go down to zero at the end of your contract?[QUOTE/]

No. The ETF does *not* drop to 0 by the end of your contract. It's designed to making leaving cheaper. It goes down to no lower than $50 by the end. After that, they eat the cost even thought he fee is not technically gone.

That author of that article is nothing short of a complete idiot.

Well, I don't know whether you're right, or Pogue. I know I've heard Pogue speak at three Macworld Expos and used a couple of his books and read his articles in the New York Times, and I know Verizon's CEO didn't correct Pogue on this part of his article. On the other hand, i've read your comments calling Pogue a "complete idiot" without providing any evidence to counter his statement, and without attempting to explain why Vzn's CEO would have gone point-by-point in his response to other items in Pogue's article, but never mentioned this one. Given that, my vote goes to Pogue.
 
AT&T service is fine in Pennsylvania

I live in Pittsburgh and work at various places in and around the state of Pennsylvania and I have no problems with AT&T coverage. I am happy with their service.
I am hoping they give me a price reduction on my iPhone contract after Verizon comes on line.
 
Well according to the Map. Verizon 3G vs AT&T 3G, I don't see AT&T point there. It's pretty clear that the map represents 3G coverage areas.
 
Well, I don't know whether you're right, or Pogue. I know I've heard Pogue speak at three Macworld Expos and used a couple of his books and read his articles in the New York Times, and I know Verizon's CEO didn't correct Pogue on this part of his article. On the other hand, i've read your comments calling Pogue a "complete idiot" without providing any evidence to counter his statement, and without attempting to explain why Vzn's CEO would have gone point-by-point in his response to other items in Pogue's article, but never mentioned this one. Given that, my vote goes to Pogue.
My only complaint about his article that you linked to, is that he makes it sound as if if you look at your bill, you'll actually see where there's a cost somewhere that goes towards paying off the rest of the subsidy that AT&T provides on the iPhone.

Now, it's definitely true that the subsidy is easily offset by the charges you pay per month (as most people won't use anywhere near $30 of true bandwidth costs, etc.), but the thing is, you could purchase a non-contract iPhone for $600, and as far as I know, you'd still be on the hook for the same total in monthly charges as someone who signs a contract.

So if I pay $600 for a non-contracted iPhone, but pay the same $70 or $80/month that a 2 year contract user pays, if part of their amount is going towards paying back the iPhone (according to him), where's that same part of mine going towards?
 
The more At&t diggs into this mess the clearer the customer will realize that their 3G cover is terrible by comparison. Everyone expects to have phone service, but you are marketing an iPhone that got better with the transition from EDGE to 3G.

Do they want Verizon to start hating on the dropped call percentages iPhone users have? It's stupid, worry about why you're service is better than Verizon's.
 
Pogue wrote, "Starting next week, Verizon will double the early-termination fee for smartphones....This fee drops slowly over time ($10 a month), but after two years, it’s still $110. If the premise of the early-termination fee is to help Verizon recoup its original cost of the phone (see my analysis here http://bit.ly/pOkXz), shouldn’t the fee go down to zero at the end of your contract?[QUOTE/]



Well, I don't know whether you're right, or Pogue. I know I've heard Pogue speak at three Macworld Expos and used a couple of his books and read his articles in the New York Times, and I know Verizon's CEO didn't correct Pogue on this part of his article. On the other hand, i've read your comments calling Pogue a "complete idiot" without providing any evidence to counter his statement, and without attempting to explain why Vzn's CEO would have gone point-by-point in his response to other items in Pogue's article, but never mentioned this one. Given that, my vote goes to Pogue.


You don't seem to be any smater than Pogue. It's elementary mathematics. Do the math on your own and see what the price comes out to.

If you need help with the division, let me know and ill go grab the nearest kindergarten teacher - LOL.
 
Part of me wants to say, “Shut up AT&T and improve your crappy network.”

But the other part of me wants to see this proceed on and prompt the FCC to define what defines “3G” and what’s the minimum throughput speeds associated with 3G terminology.

Customers don’t care if they’re on a “1G”, “2.5G” or “3G” networks. They care what their download and upload speeds are going to be connected to that network with associated signal strength. Something the carriers don’t like to disclose.

Take AT&T for example, look how ambiguous their 3G technology page is. At least Verizon associates a kbps download speed with their 3G coverage.

http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/why/technology/3g-umts.jsp

http://phones.verizonwireless.com/3g/

Interesting point... I'd agree. I have never lost my 3G signal where I'm at, though the speed doesn't seem to be that great.
 
My Experience

The only places I've been where AT&T completely fails (the whole shebang) is on remote passes in the Colorado rockies, northern Ohio, and southwestern Pennsylvania.

Actually, I've been pleasantly surprised. I drive from Fayette county into Pittsburgh everyday and the 3G is solid - all the way down rt 51. As a matter of fact the only drop out at all is in the inbound Liberty Tube since they are doing work and shut the repeater down 2 weeks ago (The outbound repeater is now back on and works great)..

For the record, I also have no problems with 3G in many places in Washington, Fayette, or Westmoreland counties, something I couldn't say when I first got my 3G a year and 1/2 ago....

I often drive into Central and Western Ohio and the 3G (and overall AT&T service) is shaky in places - but solid in the cities (I have no problem in Columbus, Cincinnati, etc)..
 
AT&T, seriously, whoever came up with that response, fire them, and use the money to build a better network. Get something that can beat Verizon, and then you can make fun of them for a change.

Here's a thought. Set a goal for LTE coverage so widely available that it does better than Verizon's current 3G network, and get it done ASAP.
 
I love how people want to rip on Verizon even though they have the best network.

FACT: When I had Cingular (before it was at&t) I had to go outside to get any signal on my phone.

With Verizon I can sit in my basement and the signal is crystal clear.

I want a iPhone desperately, but it's not worth leaving the Verizon network over.

You do know that Verizon doesn't work for everybody? Where I work at, I couldn't get service inside the building and had to go outside to get coverage, data and voice. With At&T no problem, I can get both things.
 
I despise all wireless companies, but I have to admit I've had no problem with AT&T coverage or 3G data speed.
 
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