On campus I struggle to get ANY signal, even EDGE. Some family with iPhones can't get any service unless they drive half-way across town. This is all in the Willamette Valley along I-5, they should have this place covered.
It is a COMPARATIVE exercise --- VZW just have to suck less than the rest of the carriers. Not really hard to be number 1 in consumer satisfaction in surveys when the rest of the peck suck even more.
If you're going to respond to my post, you should really read it in the correct context. So let me make it ridiculously clear.
I'm not arguing about the quality of any carrier one way or the other, nor am I expressing my own views about the superiority of any carrier. What I'm saying is that AT&T needs to quit whining and pick Verizon's weak spot (i.e., their very public record of lousy customer service and unreasonably high fees) and hammer on that fact in their ads.
My posting of articles concerning Verizon's high fees and bad service is just showing that there's ample ammo out there for AT&T should they choose to buck up and fight back.
And I am saying that there are going to be a million times more public record on AT&T's lousy customer service and that Verizon's price plans match AT&T price plans.
Pathetic.
Just invest in your subpar network, AT&T.
Will 4G on Verizon allow voice and data at the same time? Because not having that is a deal-breaker for me.
I just know if Verizon would of had the iPhone first, it wouldnt of been as successful, because their network cant simultaneously handle both data and voice, so if you want to recieve or make a phone call while on the internet, sorry folks, CDMA cant do it. The iphone experience wouldnt be the same as it is on ATT. To me that is a HUGE HUGE thing in the smartphone world..and anyone who says it isnt, is just plain stupid! Verizon is 5 years back, old technology, that's why they are moving to LTE, because their network RIGHT NOW cant give you the same user experience as you can have on ATT. Sure 5 years ago, when smartphones were just popping up in the market, it didnt really matter...But the iPhone changed everything... I wouldnt be surprised if Steve Jobs walked out of his meeting with verizon or hung up the phone on them when he found out CDMA couldnt handle both voice and data simultaneously when he first pitched the iPhone to them...So all the Verizon fanboys out there, keep drinking your verizon red koolaid, because, everyone knows, verizon's phones all suck and i do not know of one verizon phone that doesnt have their crappy logo on it..
Then AT&T needs to color in their map... There's a crayon for that.
So China is not building out their CDMA / CDMA 2000 network. That is news to me.
Pogue wrote, "Starting next week, Verizon will double the early-termination fee for smartphones....This fee drops slowly over time ($10 a month), but after two years, it’s still $110. If the premise of the early-termination fee is to help Verizon recoup its original cost of the phone (see my analysis here http://bit.ly/pOkXz), shouldn’t the fee go down to zero at the end of your contract?[QUOTE/]
No. The ETF does *not* drop to 0 by the end of your contract. It's designed to making leaving cheaper. It goes down to no lower than $50 by the end. After that, they eat the cost even thought he fee is not technically gone.
That author of that article is nothing short of a complete idiot.
Well, I don't know whether you're right, or Pogue. I know I've heard Pogue speak at three Macworld Expos and used a couple of his books and read his articles in the New York Times, and I know Verizon's CEO didn't correct Pogue on this part of his article. On the other hand, i've read your comments calling Pogue a "complete idiot" without providing any evidence to counter his statement, and without attempting to explain why Vzn's CEO would have gone point-by-point in his response to other items in Pogue's article, but never mentioned this one. Given that, my vote goes to Pogue.
My only complaint about his article that you linked to, is that he makes it sound as if if you look at your bill, you'll actually see where there's a cost somewhere that goes towards paying off the rest of the subsidy that AT&T provides on the iPhone.Well, I don't know whether you're right, or Pogue. I know I've heard Pogue speak at three Macworld Expos and used a couple of his books and read his articles in the New York Times, and I know Verizon's CEO didn't correct Pogue on this part of his article. On the other hand, i've read your comments calling Pogue a "complete idiot" without providing any evidence to counter his statement, and without attempting to explain why Vzn's CEO would have gone point-by-point in his response to other items in Pogue's article, but never mentioned this one. Given that, my vote goes to Pogue.
Pogue wrote, "Starting next week, Verizon will double the early-termination fee for smartphones....This fee drops slowly over time ($10 a month), but after two years, its still $110. If the premise of the early-termination fee is to help Verizon recoup its original cost of the phone (see my analysis here http://bit.ly/pOkXz), shouldnt the fee go down to zero at the end of your contract?[QUOTE/]
Well, I don't know whether you're right, or Pogue. I know I've heard Pogue speak at three Macworld Expos and used a couple of his books and read his articles in the New York Times, and I know Verizon's CEO didn't correct Pogue on this part of his article. On the other hand, i've read your comments calling Pogue a "complete idiot" without providing any evidence to counter his statement, and without attempting to explain why Vzn's CEO would have gone point-by-point in his response to other items in Pogue's article, but never mentioned this one. Given that, my vote goes to Pogue.
You don't seem to be any smater than Pogue. It's elementary mathematics. Do the math on your own and see what the price comes out to.
If you need help with the division, let me know and ill go grab the nearest kindergarten teacher - LOL.
Part of me wants to say, Shut up AT&T and improve your crappy network.
But the other part of me wants to see this proceed on and prompt the FCC to define what defines 3G and whats the minimum throughput speeds associated with 3G terminology.
Customers dont care if theyre on a 1G, 2.5G or 3G networks. They care what their download and upload speeds are going to be connected to that network with associated signal strength. Something the carriers dont like to disclose.
Take AT&T for example, look how ambiguous their 3G technology page is. At least Verizon associates a kbps download speed with their 3G coverage.
http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/why/technology/3g-umts.jsp
http://phones.verizonwireless.com/3g/
The only places I've been where AT&T completely fails (the whole shebang) is on remote passes in the Colorado rockies, northern Ohio, and southwestern Pennsylvania.
I love how people want to rip on Verizon even though they have the best network.
FACT: When I had Cingular (before it was at&t) I had to go outside to get any signal on my phone.
With Verizon I can sit in my basement and the signal is crystal clear.
I want a iPhone desperately, but it's not worth leaving the Verizon network over.