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planteater

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Zero regrets here. My M1 Pro 16 is by far the best laptop I have ever had and that’s coming off a 2015 MBP 15 that I was very reluctant to move away from. It has more power than I’ll need for the anticipated 5 years I’ll use it.
 

dimme

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maybe re-ask this with 24" imac purchasers. Before there was no (reasonably priced) desktop display or more powerful (desktop) computer. 2K for a mac studio, not bad.
I have a 24" M1 iMac. When I watched the keynote yesterday my first thought was. Dam I need to trade in my iMac for this. To be honest I never planned to to get the 24" iMac but my previous Mac was unreliable and Apple could not fix it so I traded it in for the iMac. So now that it's a day later my iMac is plenty powerful enough for my needs which is photo editing and some code work (hobby stuff). Sure it would be nice to have a bigger display but for now I will probably keep the iMac until the second gen Mac Studio is released next year. I'm also waiting to see how well the Mac studio works with 3rd party displays.
I alway have buyers remorse when I purchase a computer because there is always something better around the corner.
 
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spiderman0616

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Do you reckon we’ll see the M2 this year?
I think we will. I seriously doubt these reports that the new Air is just going to have vanilla M1 again. If anything, they'll give it an M1 Pro standard or something in order to retain some value over the next generation of M2 Macs sure to come out after.

But I'm more thinking M2 is coming this fall. Apple would not redesign their most popular notebook and then dump a year-old processor in it. They don't have to do things like that anymore because they're not beholden to Intel.
 

leman

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As per the title.

Apple seems to have gone from long update cycles, to updating relatively quickly.

Where did you get this from? They didn’t even update the MBA. At this rate 18 months until M2 might be a reality. Don’t expect new MBP until end of the year at earliest.

You just know the next MBP will have Centre Stage & Ultra as an option.
Huch? The MBP is not capable of cooling the Ultra, not to mention that this chip is likely way too big for a laptop. Abs center stage… did I miss something? Did the camera modules shrank magically in the last few months?

So for those os you who went for high end configurations, do you now feel a bit … “hurt?”

Not at all, my M1 Max will be more than enough for the next two years.
 
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spiderman0616

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Where did you get this from? They didn’t even update the MBA. At this rate 18 months until M2 might be a reality. Don’t expect new MBP until end of the year at earliest.


Huch? The MBP is not capable of cooling the Ultra, not to mention that this chip is likely way too big for a laptop. Abs center stage… did I miss something? Did the camera modules shrank magically in the last few months?



Not at all, my M1 Max will be more than enough for the next two years.
Yeah, I would especially not care about yesterday if I already had an M1 Max machine. You already have half an Ultra as it is.
 

cupcakes2000

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I agree.

And that’s my concern.

Until now, you could be almost certain that if you bought a newly released Mac, you’d have the newest for a while.

Now, updating the processors so frequently, that’s not the case.
These are not updates, at all. None of the new chips released since the M1 have had any sort of update. What they’re doing is rolling out their Apple Silicon lineup, which is what they said they would do. As you’re here, I have to assume you would know that.

So really, the key would be/is to wait until they release the chip with the type of power you’re looking for in the type of system you want, and buy it. Anything else is just about your own fault, given the knowledge we already have about Apples intentions on the roll out.
 

YanniDepp

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You just know the next MBP will have ... Ultra as an option

Have you seen how chunky the Mac Studio is?

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That thickness isn't computing components - that's the cooling! Two massive chunky fans and 5,000 "precision-milled" holes.

The Ultra isn't coming to the MacBook Pro ever. Unless it's the size of a PowerBook G5.

powerbook_g5_mockup.jpg
 

alectrona6400

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I've always imagined the PowerBook G5 taking up the footprint of a Pavilion zd8000, while running slower in Geekbench scores. I really hope we don't go back to the dark ages.
I also love how Apple just brought back the (standardized, i know) 3-prong power port that was also used on the iMac G4. Another 20-year-old cable you can use on the new computer!
 

GuruZac

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I agree.

And that’s my concern.

Until now, you could be almost certain that if you bought a newly released Mac, you’d have the newest for a while.

Now, updating the processors so frequently, that’s not the case.
But they aren’t. The M1 MacBook Air is till very powerful, much more so then most of its buyers need, and it hasn’t been replaced or upgraded in 18 months. The MacBook Pros needed faster more powerful processors not available in the Air. The Mac Studio has an even more powerful M1 Ultra that again, is not available in anything else. Apple didn’t upgrade the processor in the MacBook Air, and they‘re not about to upgrade the processor in the MacBook Pros, but even if they do at the end of this year, what is different than Apple basically doing the same thing with Intel powered Macs years ago. It was every 12-18 months, and don’t forget, Apple released the i9 powered 15” MacBook Pro in May of 2019, just to replace it 6 months later with a 16” MacBook Pro with slimmer bezels, newer keyboard.
 

N9JIG

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I have been a desktop guy forever but recently decided to go laptop due to retirement and family things. Had I not done that the new Studio would be right up my alley, the front I/O and form-factor would have been perfect.

That said my new MBP arrives today (Yay!), been waiting for almost 2 months. I briefly considered cancelling or returning it for a Studio but the laptop form-factor is going to fit my needs better.

Had they announced a better laptop I might have considered it but like YanniDepp, I think the Ultra is going to be a desktop-only chip for a while. I suspect the next Pro will likely be a 4-banger Ultra type chip.
 

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I used to get up in arms about stuff like this, but not anymore. My base model M1 MBA is already way more powerful than I need anything to be currently. Anything above that was not built for me and does not need to be owned by me. Show me the next MacBook Air, and then we're talking.
Yeah I think people forget so quickly, the M1 MacBook Air was being compared to and outperforming in certain tasks the 2019 16” MacBook Pro with the i9! Even buying the 2020 M1 MacBook Air in March of 2022 is still a good buy. It’s so much computer for $999.
 

Macative

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No actually, I don't. I gave up waiting for this release and bought the MBP instead, and I'm very glad I did.

Here's why:

1. I was able to get an M1 Pro, which is all I need, instead of an M1 Max, for less money. The Mac Studio starts with an M1 Max, and costs more than my MacBook Pro without a display or keyboard/mouse.

2. The new display is an embarrassment of greed. 3 separate models: stand, adjustable stand, no stand...and the no stand model still costs $1599. I'll stick with LG 4K UltraFine displays that I have for now. I was really planning on replacing them, but not going to support Apple's price gouging.
 

alectrona6400

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Yikes, that's worse than how much the old no-stand studio displays went for when they were new.
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5425642

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No I have no remorse, I have the mbp 14” 32gb/512gb with the m1 pro base cpu and it’s perfect for me and my workflow as a developer.

Don’t need anymore, I’ll replace it after 3-4 years if I need to but not before
 

cupcakes2000

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No actually, I don't. I gave up waiting for this release and bought the MBP instead, and I'm very glad I did.

Here's why:

1. I was able to get an M1 Pro, which is all I need, instead of an M1 Max, for less money. The Mac Studio starts with an M1 Max, and costs more than my MacBook Pro without a display or keyboard/mouse.

2. The new display is an embarrassment of greed. 3 separate models: stand, adjustable stand, no stand...and the no stand model still costs $1599. I'll stick with LG 4K UltraFine displays that I have for now. I was really planning on replacing them, but not going to support Apple's price gouging.
Don’t understand your monitor stand comments. It’s 1599 with a stand, or a Vesa mount. Or you can pay more for a better stand.

There is no ‘no stand’ model, and nothing extra to pay for a stand.

Have you seen the product info or are you just complaining because you think you know?
 

Macative

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Don’t understand your monitor stand comments. It’s 1599 with a stand, or a Vesa mount. Or you can pay more for a better stand.

There is no ‘no stand’ model, and nothing extra to pay for a stand.

Have you seen the product info or are you just complaining because you think you know?
They ridiculously built 3 completely separate, incompatible skus. The the version with no stand at all (VESA), is the same cost as the model with the expensive aluminum stand.

Instead of just making 1 model that is VESA compatible and thus useful for everyone, and having an optional stand(s) that connect to the VESA mount.
 

4743913

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As per the title.

Apple seems to have gone from long update cycles, to updating relatively quickly.

You just know the next MBP will have Centre Stage & Ultra as an option. So for those os you who went for high end configurations, do you now feel a bit … “hurt?”

Just a question, not trying to start up hate here.

99.99% of people need nothing more than an M1 mac mini or an M1 macbook air. The only people that ever "hurt" by new cpu releases are the people afflicted with technolust or people that consider themselves a lot more "pro" than they really are.
 

pshufd

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Don’t understand your monitor stand comments. It’s 1599 with a stand, or a Vesa mount. Or you can pay more for a better stand.

There is no ‘no stand’ model, and nothing extra to pay for a stand.

Have you seen the product info or are you just complaining because you think you know?

I'm surprised that they didn't make a model that was only a monitor. You might have pro users that want that monitor and another monitor that looks like it to put next to it or maybe even three monitors. Are you going to buy three monitors with speakers, microphones, camera and an A13? I agree on the pricing - I can only see it for people where money is no object or if the company is paying for it.
 
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cupcakes2000

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They ridiculously built 3 completely separate, incompatible skus. The the version with no stand at all (VESA), is the same cost as the model with the expensive aluminum stand.

Instead of just making 1 model that is VESA compatible and thus useful for everyone, and having an optional stand(s) that connect to the VESA mount.
What so everyone can complain about the fact you need to pay extra for a stand like they did with the other screen they make?

Making the base model cost the same with a stand or with a VESA mount is somehow bad? I still don’t get what you’re getting at.
 

cupcakes2000

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I'm surprised that they didn't make a model that was only a monitor. You might have pro users that want that monitor and another monitor that looks like it to put next to it or maybe even three monitors. Are you going to buy three monitors with speakers, microphones, camera and an A13? I agree on the pricing - I can only see it for people where money is no object or if the company is paying for it.
ah well. If you want these monitors then then having each cameras and speakers is not really a deal breaker. Or there are many many many other monitor options without these things. Cheaper or more expensive. Worse quality or better quality.
 

pshufd

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ah well. If you want these monitors then then having each cameras and speakers is not really a deal breaker. Or there are many many many other monitor options without these things. Cheaper or more expensive. Worse quality or better quality.

I bought a Late 2014 iMac 27 for $500 a few months ago. Fabulous system and it does a ton of work for me. The CPU is 1/2 and M1 but it gets the job done and I love the speakers, display, etc. It's hard to spend $1,600 for a display when I got a nice display and a computer for one-third. The people that will buy and use these are in rarefied air.
 
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