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Ditto for me.

Although I delayed getting a license for months because it lacks a feature I wanted (see Post #881 is this thread), I’m glad to finally be using ForkLift. The productivity increase resulting from using dual panes is alone enough for me to justify the cost. However, in addition I found the synchronization capabilities of ForkLift meet my needs better than anything else I considered.

ForkLift is completely useless for me. I just tried their latest version and they still don't support the most basic of functionality offered by Finder, Path Finder, QSpace, etc. In List View they don't record the expansion state of the folder tree. So when you return to a folder you had expanded, it shows totally collapsed. I always use List View and that basic functionality is a requirement.
 
I've actually moved away from graphical file managers entirely now and primarily use nnn. It can do everything I need, and the one "killer feature" of Bloom, the floating folder window, you can recreate with nnn and Topit.
 
ForkLift is completely useless for me. I just tried their latest version and they still don't support the most basic of functionality offered by Finder, Path Finder, QSpace, etc. In List View they don't record the expansion state of the folder tree. So when you return to a folder you had expanded, it shows totally collapsed. I always use List View and that basic functionality is a requirement.
Although I’m using ForkLift, I agree that it has a few glaring issues, including the one you noted, and the file highlighting problem I described in Post #881. I would have thought that neither of these issues would be in any Finder alternative.

I contacted BinaryNights about my problem:

gregmac19: "I noticed that when you drag a file from one folder to another using Forklift, the file does not remain highlighted in the destination folder once the drag operation is complete. Is there a way to make Forklift behave like Finder is this respect?"

BinaryNights Support: "We are not considering changing that behavior. Already selected files stay selected in the inactive pane, if nothing is selected, then nothing gets selected. In Finder, you are moving between windows and not inside the same window between panes. I see how your idea would be beneficial in some cases, but in other vases (sic) it would be rather confusing."

I don’t agree with their view, but at least I got a prompt response. How do other Finder alternatives work when dragging files from one folder to another? (I would investigate this myself, but I have major qualms about loading either QSpace or Bloom on my computer.)
 
Although I’m using ForkLift, I agree that it has a few glaring issues, including the one you noted, and the file highlighting problem I described in Post #881. I would have thought that neither of these issues would be in any Finder alternative.

I contacted BinaryNights about my problem:

gregmac19: "I noticed that when you drag a file from one folder to another using Forklift, the file does not remain highlighted in the destination folder once the drag operation is complete. Is there a way to make Forklift behave like Finder is this respect?"

BinaryNights Support: "We are not considering changing that behavior. Already selected files stay selected in the inactive pane, if nothing is selected, then nothing gets selected. In Finder, you are moving between windows and not inside the same window between panes. I see how your idea would be beneficial in some cases, but in other vases (sic) it would be rather confusing."

I don’t agree with their view, but at least I got a prompt response. How do other Finder alternatives work when dragging files from one folder to another? (I would investigate this myself, but I have major qualms about loading either QSpace or Bloom on my computer.)
When I highlight files to be copied or moved from one place to another, the files do not stay highlighted once the copy or move has been completed in Bloom. I believe the same happens with QSpace.
 
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How do other Finder alternatives work when dragging files from one folder to another? (I would investigate this myself, but I have major qualms about loading either QSpace or Bloom on my computer.)

In QSpace I moved a file (drag and drop) from one pane to another in the same window. The moved file is selected in the new location. The same happens when I cmd+x and cmd+v a file.
But when I copy a file using drag and drop holding alt or using cmd+c and cmd+v the new file is not selected.
 
I don’t agree with their view, but at least I got a prompt response.
I've had the same experience with Forklift. I love the app, but it doesn't have integration with Microsoft OneDrive... you can add OneDrive and access the files – but there is no contextual menu functionality like "Copy OneDrive Link" or "Share File", etc. Forklift has it for Dropbox, but not OneDrive. I've asked about it more than a few times since FL4 was released, but the developer has stated he can't/won't for whatever reason.

I'm not happy with his answer, but I do appreciate that he had the courtesy to respond.
 
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Although I’m using ForkLift, I agree that it has a few glaring issues, including the one you noted, and the file highlighting problem I described in Post #881. I would have thought that neither of these issues would be in any Finder alternative.

I contacted BinaryNights about my problem:

gregmac19: "I noticed that when you drag a file from one folder to another using Forklift, the file does not remain highlighted in the destination folder once the drag operation is complete. Is there a way to make Forklift behave like Finder is this respect?"

BinaryNights Support: "We are not considering changing that behavior. Already selected files stay selected in the inactive pane, if nothing is selected, then nothing gets selected. In Finder, you are moving between windows and not inside the same window between panes. I see how your idea would be beneficial in some cases, but in other vases (sic) it would be rather confusing."

I don’t agree with their view, but at least I got a prompt response. How do other Finder alternatives work when dragging files from one folder to another? (I would investigate this myself, but I have major qualms about loading either QSpace or Bloom on my computer.)


I also got quick responses from them. I asked about the expansion state in 2021. They wrote:

"Unfortunately, ForkLift can't remember the expanded folder structure. Making that possible is already on our feature request list and we will consider implementing it in the future."

"We will consider changing ForkLift in the future so that it can remember and restore the extended folder structure. Some users are happy that ForkLift doesn't restore it but I also think that it should restore it at least in local directories. The developer of ForkLift will decide on this during the development of ForkLift 4."

When Forklift 4 came out I asked again. So in 2023 they responded:

"At the moment that is not possible but that request is still on our feature request list and we might add it in the future."

The comment "Some users are happy that ForkLift doesn't restore it" only makes sense for remote directories which might suffer a performance impact. During our discussions I made sure that they knew I was only referring to local folders. So, people have requested it at least 4 years ago and one support person (Agnes, who has answered emails from me over the years) agreed it should work that way, but they haven't done it. The only explanation I can think of is that the main developer disagrees that the app should work that way. I don't expect them ever to change it.
 
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Using PathFinder exclusively where possible, myself. The odd thing I sometimes use Finder for, like Trash, but other than things like that, I am only using PathFinder and like it. It works on older macOS's like Mojave using the latest version 11 (which just came out) and still has all the features I love and use all the time. I've used it on and off since the PPC days and it has some a long way since then.

Bloom only runs on macOS 14, so not an option I can use across the board and it doesn't seem to have everything PathFinder does.

QSpace is really a simpler finder replacement with some nice refined features. You have to buy each extra component separately for the add-ons. With PathFinder, you get whatever it offers all in one.

I would like better optimizations etc. but overall, I am happy with it compared to the many others I have checked out. It also saves me a lot of time when dealing with files, servers, SFTP etc.
 
I've used PathFinder in the past, how is it in 2026? The last time I used it, the interaction seemed a bit sluggish. I found it was a bit easier to use Finder
I find it fine. There is always the odd thing that might be slightly faster with Finder but rare compared to what used to be. The only larger issues I have had is when dealing with moving, transferring, comparing 1000's of files at once over ethernet and USB drives, moving back and forth, doing multiples of that all at once etc. and big things like that. Otherwise, I am faster with PathFinder than Finder because of the extra features. Finder seems like a toy compared but it is always a very bullet proof toy. 🙂
 
I recommend DoubleXplorer - there is 14 days trial to fully try.
I have tried a lot of double commanders, but this one seems to be clean, minimalistic, quick.

Feel free to try it.

Yes, I've started a trial of DoubleXplorer, and it seems promising--certainly nicer than the average Finder-type experience.

Still, the interface could probably stand a few tweaks. It is not clear to me, for example, that clicking the corner buttons in the panes will launch new tabs. It's important functionality; why not include pop-up descriptors to identify it? For the "command row" at the bottom: it would be nice to know at a glance which of the commands are applicable to the selected file. There were a couple of other, er, niggles, too, though perhaps they're partly the developer's effort to adhere to Apple's design guidelines. It's worth bearing in mind that DoubleXplorer is a rather young app--1.4.1--and already it's off to a strong start.

Edited to add: The "Show File Details" panel is terrific--I very much appreciate the way it consolidates information.
 
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any updates here? or qpsace still king?

I stumbled on this one: https://foldersapp.dev/

also, any one has updated opinions on bloom?

Yes, I've started a trial of DoubleXplorer, and it seems promising--certainly nicer than the average Finder-type experience.

Still, the interface could probably stand a few tweaks. It is not clear to me, for example, that clicking the corner buttons in the panes will launch new tabs. It's important functionality; why not include pop-up descriptors to identify it? For the "command row" at the bottom: it would be nice to know at a glance which of the commands are applicable to the selected file. There were a couple of other, er, niggles, too, though perhaps they're partly the developer's effort to adhere to Apple's design guidelines. It's worth bearing in mind that DoubleXplorer is a rather young app--1.4.1--and already it's off to a strong start.

Edited to add: The "Show File Details" panel is terrific--I very much appreciate the way it consolidates information.

this looks nice
 
QSpace is still great, it still gets regular updates. And when I report a bug or have a question I quickly get an answer and the bug gets fixed in a very reasonable time. I have no reason to switch from it.
If you still use Finder or some other alternative you are unhappy with, I recommend trying QSpace and Bloom and use whatever seems more appealing to you.
 
I'm still very happy with QSpace. I still haven't tried Bloom. I'm uncomfortable giving any software such extensive access to my machine. I might have to wait a couple a full year before feeling comfortable.

why did you feel comfortable with qspace?
 
I stumbled on this one: https://foldersapp.dev/

also, any one has updated opinions on bloom?

Yes, I use Folders; I bought a license last year. $9 for "lifetime" updates seemed reasonable, so, as they say: what the heck. And, hey--it's solid. Keep in mind that Folders is single-pane only, though tabs are available. Between DoubleXplorer and Folders, Folders is nicer aesthetically, but DoubleXplorer seems significantly more powerful. (Of course, DoubleXplorer is also at least twice as expensive.)

Bloom is an app I've been itching to try, but the brief trial period annoys me. Seven days simply isn't enough time.
 
Yes, I use Folders; I bought a license last year. $9 for "lifetime" updates seemed reasonable, so, as they say: what the heck. And, hey--it's solid. Keep in mind that Folders is single-pane only, though tabs are available. Between DoubleXplorer and Folders, Folders is nicer aesthetically, but DoubleXplorer seems significantly more powerful. (Of course, DoubleXplorer is also at least twice as expensive.)

Bloom is an app I've been itching to try, but the brief trial period annoys me. Seven days simply isn't enough time.

Bloom is so cheap I just thought to buy it anyway. I just don't know anything about the developer.

I know Bloom is from China, as is QSpace. I try to not worry about Chinese developers being under the control of the government. But, it is always a concern when Little Snitch tells me that QSpace is contacting sites in Beijing and Shanghai. I chalk that up to my prejudices. I've read that at least one example of US-based software has been found to be compromised by the government as well. (I was born and raised in the US.)

With QSpace, I've had back and forth with the developer. (Well, the signer of the emails is "Wenda" and "Wenda Tian" is the person with the Apple developer certificate.) The emails are friendly. The person is intelligent and responsive. But, to date, I know almost nothing about the Bloom developer and he is keeping his information to himself on his website.

If I were a hostile entity and wanted to infiltrate a computer via software, the best vector is an application which is given full-disk access. All of these Finder replacements would be very attractive vectors. The contents of your entire disk could be uploaded somewhere. Many posters talk about the comfort they have that they only keep password vaults locally, and some of those people have said they've installed Finder replacements. You might as well throw out that local vault comfort if you've installed a hostile Finder replacement.
 
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Yes, I use Folders; I bought a license last year. $9 for "lifetime" updates seemed reasonable, so, as they say: what the heck. And, hey--it's solid. Keep in mind that Folders is single-pane only, though tabs are available. Between DoubleXplorer and Folders, Folders is nicer aesthetically, but DoubleXplorer seems significantly more powerful. (Of course, DoubleXplorer is also at least twice as expensive.)

Bloom is an app I've been itching to try, but the brief trial period annoys me. Seven days simply isn't enough time.

what have you found Folders superior at over MacOS Finder?
 
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If I were a hostile entity and wanted to infiltrate a computer via software, the best vector is an application which is given full-disk access. All of these Finder replacements would be very attractive vectors. The contents of your entire disk could be uploaded somewhere. Many posters talk about the comfort they have that they only keep password vaults locally, and some of those people have said they've installed Finder replacements. You might as well throw out that local vault comfort if you've installed a hostile Finder replacement.
I am still more comfortable having a local vault because the only possibility for my vault to be anywhere but on my machine or local backups, is if give full-disk access to an installed hostile application. To me, this is a better situation than having my vault floating around on the internet where there is the possibility that someone could break into it, as mentioned in the article referenced on the “1Password migrants thread”:


Even if my local vault is stolen, it would be close to impossible to break into it because it is encrypted with a strong password.

People should be aware that you don’t necessary have to grant full-disk access for at least one Finder replacement: ForkLift. Using ForkLift this way reduces the locations that the program can access, but I find it does enough for what little I want to do with this application.

I’ve given up looking for Finder replacement that offers a dual-pane interface, as everything I investigated has the problem I discussed in Post #1,053. Thus, I have settled on using a macro I wrote with Keyboard Maestro, which launches two side-by-side Finder windows. Obviously, it is not an ideal situation, but it does have the advantage of reducing the applications I give full-disk access to, by one.
 
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I am still more comfortable having a local vault because the only possibility for my vault to be anywhere but on my machine or local backups, is if give full-disk access to an installed hostile application. To me, this is a better situation than having my vault floating around on the internet where there is the possibility that someone could break into it, as mentioned in the article referenced on the “1Password migrants thread”:


Even if my local vault is stolen, it would be close to impossible to break into it because it is encrypted with a strong password.

People should be aware that you don’t necessary have to grant full-disk access for at least one Finder replacement: ForkLift. Using ForkLift this way reduces the locations that the program can access, but I find it does enough for what little I want to do with this application.

I’ve given up looking for Finder replacement that offers a dual-pane interface, as everything I investigated has the problem I discussed in Post #1,053. Thus, I have settled on using a macro I wrote with Keyboard Maestro, which launches two side-by-side Finder windows. Obviously, it is not an ideal situation, but it does have the advantage of reducing the applications I give full-disk access to, by one.

Yeah. I didn't mean to criticize the local vault only approach. I was only making the comment related to supplying full-disk access to a Finder replacement. Your approach with ForkLift seems like a good compromise.

I use my Finder replacement to access so many places on my computer. I consider it a substantial risk, but I do it anyway. But, thanks to your post, I've decided to run QSpace without full-disk access for a while. I already see that I cannot access my 1Password local vaults with it without granting QSpace explicit permission to accessing data from other apps. I have a nagging feeling that this will be a major step forward for me and I really appreciate the suggestion.

Unfortunately, in terms of exfiltration of my data, access to my Documents folder is an even bigger risk than my password vaults since nothing is encrypted. Denying that access would make QSpace mostly useless for my needs.

Do you, or does anyone else, know how to get a full list of all permissions I've granted or denied to QSpace? I just now denied it access to data from other apps, but I have no idea how to control that now. Where is that in System Settings?
 
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