Apple doesn’t even want to offer Vulkan on their own OS. Do you really think that they would maintain a full set of OpenGL, DX11, DX12 and Vulkan drivers for a competitor OS? I dint think they mind you running Windows or Linux or whatever on their hardware. But they are unlikely to go out of their way to encourage you doing it.
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Beyond the M1 hype and why the fairy dust needs to settle.
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Apple doesn’t even want to offer Vulkan on their own OS. Do you really think that they would maintain a full set of OpenGL, DX11, DX12 and Vulkan drivers for a competitor OS? I dint think they mind you running Windows or Linux or whatever on their hardware. But they are unlikely to go out of their way to encourage you doing it.
This was Hector’s response to the issue of production quality drivers and nouveau:
Even though Alyssa is extremely talented, I remain skeptical. M1 is not Bifrost... and unless Apple GPU is autonomous (with very little driver control), there will be a lot of things to reverse engineer and discover.
Oh for sure, the GPUs the hardest part (except maybe the NPU which would probably not be possible). It’s amazing that even the companies who make the hardware make working drivers (heck sometimes they don’t!). But they seem confident they can do it.
Maintenance of drivers is an interesting question especially for Windows - for Linux obviously open source. Depending on circumstances (and especially adoption) I could see Apple, Microsoft, or an open source driver pool. But we’ll see if it happens at all.
I’m not saying it’ll definitely happen, I just wouldn’t be surprised if it did.
At the moment Alyssa is poking around in the command buffers containing the shaders. As far as i see it, there is not even a complete disassembler for shaders yet and only a vague idea how these shaders are sheduled. Thats very early work - in particular compared to how long it took for Freedreno and Panfrost to become even only somewhat stable.
But hey, nothing is impossible per se
At the moment Alyssa is poking around in the command buffers containing the shaders. As far as i see it, there is not even a complete disassembler for shaders yet and only a vague idea how these shaders are sheduled. Thats very early work - in particular compared to how long it took for Freedreno and Panfrost to become even only somewhat stable.
But hey, nothing is impossible per se
Absolutely, early days
Edit: another option which I’m not sure if it would work would be nouveau drivers on an eGPU.
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this Asahi linux for M1 is amazing, well for me!
and the help they got form other developers is interesting.
But hey, nothing is impossible per se, as Gerdi mentioned
i wonder if will be very very upset over this distro?
and how they will prevent anything from invading their processors in the near future?
and the help they got form other developers is interesting.
But hey, nothing is impossible per se, as Gerdi mentioned
i wonder if will be very very upset over this distro?
and how they will prevent anything from invading their processors in the near future?
Actually Apple seems to have deliberately designed the M1 to allow it to be booted from other OSes and macOS Big Sur was also changed to enable this. So far from being upset Apple seems to be (quietly) encouraging it even if they aren’t going to go too far out of their way to help.
I just realized they will still make money on selling a MacBook m1
and 1% might install Asahi Linux after posting the comment.
could this version of Linux be partitioned in the future?
that would be nice just starting a laptop without logging in, entering 6 digit codes and just creating without the occasional notifications.
I think that’s absolutely Apple’s frame of mind.
I believe it can already be dual booted!
Oracle invalidates your condescending tantrum. They wouldn't have a strategic partnership with AMD if there wasn't a significant advantage over their Intel x7 instances. Plus, for engineering applications GPU compute trump CPU.
https://blogs.oracle.com/cloud-infr...te-e4-platform-on-3rd-gen-amd-epyc-processors
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Nope, they don’t. Please compare the total number of systems they offer for business and government use vs what they have in AMD. Also, please don’t just compare to x7. Use total number of Intel systems.
You would not get Apple Care because it wouldn't be an Apple product. Apple isn't the biggest fan of the whole Hackintosh scene. And I don't know anything about pre installed Hackintosh machines for sale, but you could look around. Basically, Hackintosh's are cool but remember that there are drawbacks.
I'm surprised to find such a critical but well written article here on macrumors. It was predictable that the vast majority of mindless fanboys here would naturally attack this article, voting it down and arguing for Apple. But I think the more they cry, the more you are probably hitting the truth.
I agree that the current M1 offerings are not a great choice for end consumers. They are too expensive and requires too much compromise. But if Apple further develops its processor, we could get interesting products in the future.
Why don’t you point us to where the VP says they are using more AMD systems than Intel?
Does the VP know someone posted about their new Intel systems? https://blogs.oracle.com/cloud-infr...s-with-3rd-gen-intel-xeon-ice-lake-processors
Again, please compare total number of systems they’re running AMD and Intel and if you’d like throw other manufacturers in as well (shocking they’re running ARM in the cloud as well, isn’t it?). They have partnerships with pretty much everyone. Just looking at one thing like you do with the meaningless Cinebench score, wont get you anywhere, sorry.
That has nothing to do with M1 though since it's still closed source driver so no hardware acceleration outside of MacOS.
Well, I have a 32GB MBP16 that I got a month before yours, used it for work for 14-15 months and wrote 172TB to the disk, so my “heavy use” is clearly different to yours....
Maybe if someone who actually has a PhD in a related field with a number of well received and peer-reviewed publications would write such an article, it would be better received, don’t you think.
I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here. Obviously the macOS driver wouldn’t work for Linux. He’s discussing the relative difficulty in creating an open source Linux driver for the M1 as compared to nouveau. Having consistent access to the firmware is useful for that endeavor.
Exactly, but in order to understand that, one would have to understand how things work in general first. It can certainly be done, it’s just a question of time and effort. George Hotz had a long session trying to get things running on the Neural Engine, with great success for the time he put into it.
They have a strategic partnership with AMD because AWS is offering AMD CPUs (and their own ARM CPUs). No cloud provider who wanted to be taken seriously would just offer Intel compute.
First part I agree with. Extremely predictable that on macrumors people are going to defend Apple. Second part though means you probably haven’t read most of the replies, and if you have, chose to ignore most of the points addressed: especially where OP’s original assertions are blatantly not true. But keep going cause this whole thread is very entertaining and I’ve got time to kill.