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Bytor65

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Feb 10, 2010
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I've seen people use a stylus for their iPhone. I don't understand it.

I have seen a couple of Pogo stylus video reviews. A stylus does seem to increase accuracy a bit. But it is far from necessary. On the iPad with a bigger screen, it will be even less needed as you will have a big area to draw/write, so pinpoint accuracy will be less necessary.

Windows touch screens have often needed stylus because of crappy resistive screens (which have improved recently), and tiny interface elements.

But with a nice capacitive screen you can get great results just gliding a finger.

The only real advantage windows has is handwriting recognition. But if I am going to enter text, I would rather just use an onscreen keyboard (or a real one if a lot of text).
 

vini-vidi-vici

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Jan 7, 2010
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He's either trying to downplay the iPad as an attempt at buzzkill, or he truly has no vision.

The iPad is all about software... and it hasn't all been written yet. not only that, of the tiny bit that has been written, only a few people have actually used it... for a short time.

Reading between the lines, I think a lot of people are also missing the point. The iPad apps aren't simply going to "scaled up versions" of the iPhone apps... with big fonts so old people can read them (there will be some like that, for sure). The larger screen and better file system will allow a whole new class of apps to be created (which you saw with the iWork examples).
 

DaveSW

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Feb 6, 2010
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Bill Gates is so unimaginative. A pen? really? that is so 1980's.

Pretty much sums up the difference between MS and Apple and shows why Apple is the innovator and MS is the follower.



obviously he hasn't heard of this Apple patent.


http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/01/15/fingerworks-patents-islate/

The first one enables you to write on a touchscreen in the same way that you would a piece of paper.

You clench your fist and pinch your thumb and index finger together like you’re holding a pen (see image above). Now, if you press your hand down to the tablet with this position, you can now write like you would on a piece of paper. Of course, it might be weird at first: you’ll probably hate the fact that you don’t have anything in your fingers, but we all thought the same thing about not having a keyboard. I’ll take the wait-and-see approach: if this does land itself on the iTablet, it’s definitely something I could see myself using. From the patent itself:

[0129] FIG. 15 is a proximity image of a right hand in a pen grip configuration. The thumb 201 and index fingertip 202 are pinched together as if they were holding a pen but in this case they are touching the surface instead. Actually the thumb and index finger appear the same here as in FIG. 14. However, the middle 203, ring 204, and pinky 205 fingers are curled under as if making a fist, so the knuckles from the top of the fingers actually touch the surface instead of the finger tips. The curling under of the knuckles actually places them behind the pinched thumb 201 and index fingertip 202 very close to the palm heels 206, 207. The knuckles also appear larger than the curled fingertips of FIG. 14 but the same size as the flattened fingertips in FIG. 13. These differences in size and arrangement will be measured by the pen grip detector 17 to distinguish this pen grip configuration from the closed and flattened hand configurations.
 

samcraig

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Jun 22, 2009
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I think a lot of people are also missing the point. The iPad apps aren't simply going to "scaled up versions" of the iPhone apps... with big fonts so old people can read them (there will be some like that, for sure). The larger screen and better file system will allow a whole new class of apps to be created (which you saw with the iWork examples).

Yes - because that's such a HARD concept to understand. That apps aren't just going to be ZOOMED to a larger screen.

Of course they will be re-written and new apps will be custom designed for the iPad. Just like several games and apps were scaled DOWN and adjusted for use on the iPhone.
 

r0k

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Mar 3, 2008
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Bill Gates is so unimaginative. A pen? really? that is so 1980's.

Pretty much sums up the difference between MS and Apple and shows why Apple is the innovator and MS is the follower.



obviously he hasn't heard of this Apple patent.


http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/01/15/fingerworks-patents-islate/

Wow. Nice patent and an exciting possibility. MS the follower? No. Lately they simply ignore Apple rather than follow until it's too late to possibly catch up. Which is too bad, really because competition would benefit us all. But Apple is competing with itself and innovating while Microsoft is more focused on how to protect the revenue stream tied to their legacy Windows and Office code base.
 

dukebound85

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Jul 17, 2005
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Edited for accuracy

funny how MS is worth much more than Apple

Fail indeed:rolleyes:
Yup. Abuse of monopoly, lying/presenting false evidence in court and ripping off Apple at every turn takes a lot of hard work.

(LOL, if you think about it, it actually does.)

LOL wow just wow. Apple can do no wrong huh? Apple has stolen many ideas too....but obviously you fail to see that

Fact is that Bill Gates is a great buisness man. You dont get that wealthy and not be. PERIOD.

If you are going to argue, can you please check your Apple love at the door and try and be somewhat objective?
 

admanimal

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Apr 22, 2005
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funny how MS is worth much more than Apple

Fail indeed:rolleyes:

OK? I didn't say they weren't a successful company. I said they were not successful at competing directly with Apple's hardware products and innovation (keeping in mind that Microsoft does not make PCs).

Apple has grossly out-innovated Microsoft. If you don't believe me, read the comments from Gates and Allchin in the story on the front page.
 

Bytor65

macrumors 6502a
Feb 10, 2010
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Gates is out of the game now.

Balmer is running the show. Maybe he could laugh at the iPad the way he did at iPhone or Android...
 

dukebound85

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Jul 17, 2005
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OK? I didn't say they weren't a successful company. I said they were not successful at competing directly with Apple's hardware products and innovation (keeping in mind that Microsoft does not make PCs).

Apple has grossly out-innovated Microsoft. If you don't believe me, read the comments from Gates and Allchin in the story on the front page.

this is what you corrected my quote to

You like mocking really successful businessmen who have failed miserably competing with Apple's hardware products?

Failed != being worth more than apple yet you implied it
 

t0mat0

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Aug 29, 2006
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http://kottke.org/10/02/meat-stylus-for-the-iphone

Apple has ite patent for a stylus or two. In line with their softly softly gradually bringing their technology and products forward with new capabilities - they likely don't want to rush styluses.

Those who want them can to get them. Sausage or no sausage.
Maybe Bill is projecting from Windows mentality of tablets and phones.
 

techkidd4400

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Jul 18, 2007
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I've seen people use a stylus for their iPhone. I don't understand it. It's designed to accept your finger as a stylus, and the software determines the accuracy as necessary. Why anyone effs around with a stylus is beyond me.

Same will go for the iPad.

When I read comments like this it is clear to me that some people confuse the use of a stylus as a pointing device (mouse) and the use of pen/ink for handwriting. Although one object may provide both uses, pen/ink is what Gates was referring to and that allows text entry, which may be useful for those who want to carry a Tablet and write notes in various productivity applications. As a few have noted on this forum, the iPad is primarily for consuming data, not creating it. Since a few of us would like to use the iPad to create works, pen/ink would help in addition to multi-touch.
 

liquidsuns

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Jun 23, 2009
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Bill Gates critizing Apple about portable touchscreen devices is like the Clippers critizing the Lakers about how they play basketball.
 
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