Bill Gates sounds rattled by Apple

[Blue Velvet]

The number [of violations] will be way less because we’ve done some dramatic things [to improve security] in the code base. Apple hasn’t done any of those things.

Q: Are you bugged by the Apple commercial where John Hodgman is the PC, and he has to undergo surgery to get Vista?

A: I've never seen it. I don't think the over 90 percent of the [population] who use Windows PCs think of themselves as dullards, or the kind of klutzes that somebody is trying to say they are.

Nowadays, security guys break the Mac every single day. Every single day, they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally. I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16934083/site/newsweek/


Apologies if this is a repost. I had a look around... and we all know the search function here leaves something to be desired.

 

[liketom]

"Nowadays, security guys break the Mac every single day. Every single day, they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally. I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine."


i thought they already do Bill , many times over

 

[Belly-laughs]

I like this quote from when Bill is asked what he´d tell people asking him why they should upgrade:

The most effective thing would be if I could sit down with them and just take them through the new look for a couple of minutes, show them the Sidebar, show them the way the search lets you go through lots of things, including lots of photos. Set up a parental control. And then I might edit a high-definition movie and make a little DVD that's got photos. As I went through, they'd think, “Wow, is that something I could use, would that make a difference for me?”

Guess Bill has left MS to work at the Seattle Apple Store.

 

[Queso]

Proving that Gates doesn't get the Apple ads. Hodgman doesn't play a PC user, he plays a PC. That's why he's all out of date and stuffy looking.

As for those Mac vulnerabilities (note, these are not exploits) virtually every single one of them requires physical access to the computer, whereas Windows exploits allow remote code execution from the other side of the planet.

Gates has tried that "Windows is more secure" line before with Linux. Didn't work then either

 

[bartelby]

So can you give us an indication of what the next Windows will be like?
Well, it will be more user-centric.

What does that mean?
That means that right now when you move from one PC to another, you've got to install apps on each one, do upgrades on each one. Moving information between them is very painful. We can use Live Services [a way to connect to Microsoft via the Internet] to know what you're interested in. So even if you drop by a [public] kiosk or somebody else's PC, we can bring down your home page, your files, your fonts, your favorites and those things. So that's kind of the user-centric thing that Live Services can enable. [Also,] in Vista things got a lot better with [digital] ink and speech but by the next release there will be a much bigger bet. Students won't need textbooks, they can just use these tablet devices. Parallel computing is pretty important for the next release. We'll make it so that a lot of the high-level graphics will be just built into the operating system. So we've got a pretty good outline.

So MS will have total access to everything on your computer

That's not at all worrying!

 

[Blue Velvet]

And I don't know why [Apple is] acting like it’s superior. I don't even get it. What are they trying to say? Does honesty matter in these things, or if you're really cool, that means you get to be a lying person whenever you feel like it? There's not even the slightest shred of truth to it.

I liked this one. You can almost hear the peevishness.

 

[amin]

You can go through and look at who showed any of these things first, if you care about the facts. If you just want to say, "Steve Jobs invented the world, and then the rest of us came along," that's fine. If you’re interested, [Vista development chief] Jim Allchin will be glad to educate you feature by feature what the truth is. I mean, it’s fascinating, maybe we shouldn't have showed so publicly the stuff we were doing, because we knew how long the new security base was going to take us to get done. Nowadays, security guys break the Mac every single day. Every single day, they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally. I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine. So, yes, it took us longer, and they had what we were doing, user interface-wise. Let’s be realistic, who came up with [the] file, edit, view, help [menu bar]? Do you want to go back to the original Mac and think about where those interface concepts came from?

Interviewer missed a great opporunity there. The answer to that last question should have been "Yes."

 

[oceanmonster]

I think that the problem is that Bill Gates cannot handle having an operating system that is not the best and doesn't have features like iLife.

 

[Belly-laughs]

Bill himself brought up Apple. He may be trying to halt the positive media OSX gets in the light of the launch of Vista. Of course, in the next couple of days media will prove him wrong and tell people how out of date Bill and his company are.

BTW: BBC World now reports on how Vista can potentially self-destruct via a voice command on a web site or via e-mail. Likely to never happen, but more bad news for Bill.

 

[sushi]

Bill Gates view of history is creative needless to say.

He really sounds concerned about what Apple is doing right now.

I am looking forward to seeing the first Vista virus!

 

[bartelby]

BTW: BBC World now reports on how Vista can potentially self-destruct via a voice command on a web site or via e-mail. Likely to never happen, but more bad news for Bill.

It's ok though, that can only happen if you actually want to use that feature

 

[Dont Hurt Me]

Sounds like Karl Rove is now working for Gates, what a bunch of lies. Microsoft has no idea what innovation is and its software allways seem to be a generation behind Apples. Its still sad that the world went to crappy windows when it had a choice for superior software. If only Apple had a different marketing and hardware tier.

 

[pilotError]

In just about every interview that I've seen with Big Bill, someone always mentions Apple. I think that's something he's never really had to deal with on such a large scale before. The Apple folks have always done a little Saber rattling, but the media is getting in his face about it. Something I've never seen much of in the past.

In most of the interviews, he's managed it pretty well, but I'm sure he's not happy about the media pissing in his cheerios lately. 5 Years and billions later, and he gets a lukewarm reception. Can't be a positive thing, I'd hate to be a stockholder right now.

 

[yellow]

This is about the most ignorant statement I think he could have possibly made:

I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine.

Sooo.... there's not millions of zombified Windows machines out there?

I know he's rich.. but is his 'own little world' really that insulated from reality?

 

[dmw007]

All that I have to say is up yours™ Bill Gates!

Sounds like Karl Rove is now working for Gates, what a bunch of lies.

That was great Dont Hurt Me, thanks for the laugh!

 

[Dont Hurt Me]

You cant watch TV or go on the net without seeing those new Commercials from Apple, Gates is spinning in his Vista, for him to say again Macs are riddled with hacks and virus everyday is again blatant lies. Vista and gaming appears to be crap at the moment from everything I have read. I see no reason or need for Vista at the moment for many people. Its release is going to flop yet they still will sell millions of copys with new machines.

 

[Queso]

Its release is going to flop yet they still will sell millions of copys with new machines.

Yep, counts as a Vista sale, although we know a lot of the buyers will instantly downgrade to XP

 

[yellow]

It's not necessarily lies, as I see it, it's just a childish attitude to take.

Yes, OS X is riddled with holes and bugs. As is Solaris, Linux flavors, Windows flavors, and anything else out there. ****, even cell phones and PDAs are ripe for exploit.

Gates is the Big Dog on the block. As BV noted, apparently he sees Apple as a real threat if he's going to lower himself to name calling and mom jokes.

IMO, he should have taken the high road. Instead, I think he just laid himself open to ridicule down the road. If he thinks that major security holes aren't going to be found and exploited in Vista... then he's sleeping on a giant pile of money.


Further thought... LMH (the OS X bugs dude) is under the employ of Microsoft (or a dummy corp). You heard it here first.

 

[MacBoobsPro]

FECKING HILARIOUS!!!!

"So you feel in 2010-2011 Microsoft will be back with the next big one?"

"Absolutely. We'll tell you how Vista just wasn't good enough, and we'll know why, too."

 

[yellow]

"So you feel in 2010-2011 Microsoft will be back with the next big one?"

Unfortunately it will be delayed until 2018. And they STILL couldn't get WinFS in there.

 

[c-Row]

Yep, counts as a Vista sale, although we know a lot of the buyers will instantly downgrade to XP

Our whole company will.

 

[dsnort]

"I've never seen it. I don't think the over 90 percent of the [population] who use Windows PCs think of themselves as dullards, or the kind of klutzes that somebody is trying to say they are."

For a guy thats never seen the ads, he's fairly well versed on the tone of them.

 

[Queso]

Our whole company will.

Exactly. As will every other corporate buyer for the next year.

 

[holamiamigos]

wow that stuff he said is just crazy

 

[Swarmlord]

<snip>
I know he's rich.. but is his 'own little world' really that insulated from reality?

The short answer? Yes.