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It does because it shows that all of you attacking crypto currency are clueless by the defending fiat currency as being perfect.
If you accept then that fiat currency is flawed but should be allowed then that same logic applies to crypto
Not 100% sure what you wanna tell me, but with FIAT money all the value lies in trusting/believing the "state"(FED) backing it up the point that someday in the future someone else sees enough value to trade some goods for it.

With crypto it's just the 2nd part.

Real assets on the other side have an actual use, gold can be made into nice things and is used in electronics, real estate has some value as long as the idea of property stands.
 
I never said its Apple's fault but they do have some part in it. Anyway, if you don't see it then I won't bother anymore. At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter what we all think :)


This is not Apple's fault and is a case of haters hating because they gotta hate right?
The user messed up and I am sorry for him but his fault, end of!

I once got robbed and that was my fault, not my landlord's or the police or Apple (no matter how much you hate them etcP).
I messed up, I got robbed and I learned my lesson.
 
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The point is that Apple got outsmarted by someone smarter.
That is not their fault no matte how much you want it to be because you hate Apple in which case how come you are here?
Not being rude, just asking.
This is no different to a car maker making a car with locks and immobilisers etc yet a thief breaks into your house,s teals your car keys then drives away with your car.
You then say "Hey the car maker owes me!"
No they do not, they took reasonable steps and yet someone outsmarted them because even bad people can be smart you know.
It is not just you and only you who can be clever.
Why do you say I hate Apple? Not being rude, just asking...

If I don’t kiss apple’s *** does that make me a hater according to you? Well, in that case I’m afraid I’m also a shplock hater too..
 
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All things being equal, I would posit that the odds of losing your crypto to a rogue App Store app is still lower than all the other possibilities for them being lost or stolen. And if you're fine with that level of risk, then you shouldn't be crying to Apple.


The greater conversation isn't losing your crypto to a specific rogue app. It's that when you add up all of the possible ways of losing one's crypto and then scale that out across the entire planet you end up with something that simply cannot be scaled with users managing their own wallets. Simple put there will be too many ways to lose crypto and it's going to be from both targets of criminals and just acts of nature(guy dies in house fire and family doesn't know how to access his crypto).

This story is just the tip of the iceberg. We've already seen sophisticated hacks involving SIM swaps. This isn't just about using a bogus rogue app. Attacks will be coming from everywhere.
 
They checked the apps as well as they could, You are demanding that good be the enemy of perfect which is not how it goes.
Apple are not to blame.
End of!
The reality is that they have no way of checking the apps but they pretend that they do. The only thing they check the apps for is to make sure that they get all the money they can (Epic is the one good example).
 
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What I see is a lot of either or comments. As if this situation is only one or the other. Does Apple's process lend a better chance of seeing scams and bad apps? Yes. Is it perfect, of course not. Is it supposed to be? of course not. Show me someone who thinks they have security that cannot be compromised, and I'll use that person as the picture for the sucker/next victim entry in the dictionary. Apple didn't force the customer to use the app. And the customer obviously didn't vet the app on their own before using it with so much money.
 
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Hmmm, let us see.
A user blindly hands over $600,000 to an app he has not down any checks on without thinking first or taking steps to protect himself and then we should all attack Apple and call this guy a genius?
How about **** no!
I think you misread what I wrote, but I wouldn't berate you in the same way that you're quick to berate someone who was swindled. I didn't attack Apple, and I didn't call this guy a genius. This person could have gone in with the understanding that he was safe because of Apple's

If Apple is assuring people by limiting what it allows via it's app store, perhaps it should take responsibility by insuring users when it lets something unsafe in. Let's not blame the victims of this scam (people are awful here ridiculing others who lost all that money to defend Apple). They could have been more prudent, but when Apple uses their autocratic power to limit what users can do with their phones, it should bear a bit of the brunt
I think that a lot of people on this forum blindly defend Apple. I understand that some users are devoted to the brand, but Apple can be held accountable when their systems fail
 
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You're post shows it's a similar analogy. The iphone is touted as ip68 water resistance. This is not the same as water proof. IP68 is a step up from what some iphones are, which is ip67.

Just like stronger glass doesn't mean the phones won't shatter if dropped, better water resistance doesn't mean total absence of ingress from liquids when submerged.
Apple states you can submerge the phone 30 minutes up to six minutes or something like that. I still don’t find the analogy as valid.

Apple is not the only one, samsung is pulling the same crap off.
 
Why do you say I hate Apple? Not being rude, just asking...

If I don’t kiss apple’s *** does that make me a hater according to you? Well, in that case I’m afraid I’m also a shplock hater too..
As far as shplock is concerned, anyone that questions Apples actions in a negative light is a hater of the company. You are not the only one he has accused of hating Apple for daring to have a negative opinion/view about them, he did the same to me in a post of his.
 
The reality is that they have no way of checking the apps but they pretend that they do. The only thing they check the apps for is to make sure that they get all the money they can (Epic is the one good example).
Generally statements that don't allow for discussion such as the above end up by being false. Apple can do it's part and vet apps, but as the scammers at Epic shows not everything can be caught; and this is likely to be exacerbated if Apple is forced to open up the app store.

Additionally, Apple is entitle to rake in as much as they can. They built the platform, they own the platform and they gave the scammers at Epic a chance to earn $700M by giving Apple access to it's customer base that Epic would not have been easily able to get otherwise. So yeah, Apple deserves their $150M in fees from Epic.
 
No not even close lol

You pay Apple 30% to protect you by doing as much as they can.
You do not play them to be perfect, nobody is, not even you!

Exactly. For the not perfect moments they’ll just reimburse the customer, apologise and move on. Like any good business does.
 
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I think you misread what I wrote, but I wouldn't berate you in the same way that you're quick to berate someone who was swindled. I didn't attack Apple, and I didn't call this guy a genius. This person could have gone in with the understanding that he was safe because of Apple's


I think that a lot of people on this forum blindly defend Apple. I understand that some users are devoted to the brand, but Apple can be held accountable when their systems fail
The idea again, that it's all or nothing is not realistic when there is no place in the internet that is 100% anything. A company tries to defend its users against malware and other types of scams or advertising, and then is chastised when it's imperfect. This seems ludicrous. I don't care if we're talking Google or Microsoft or Apple, or online car sales for that matter. None of it is perfect, nor could it be, so why is everyone thinking the company is at fault, when the App Developer purposefully set it up to be something it wasn't? Criminals still commit crimes, even with security measures, or life would be much happier. What happened to personal responsibility for one's actions? The people scammed on this app meet someone on a digital street in a digital gated community with security, don't know them, and offer them their own money because they like how the other person is dressed and what they are offering. And somehow it's the security company's fault? The scammer didn't rob them at gunpoint, the scammer offered something and the people handed them their money without blinking.
 
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Apple states you can submerge the phone 30 minutes up to six minutes or something like that. I still don’t find the analogy as valid.

Apple is not the only one, samsung is pulling the same crap off.
Apple does not state that you the consumer can submerge a phone. Apples' website clearly states this is tested in laboratory conditions. Nowhere does the website say, you the consumer should (or even can) perform the same tests.

The same as gorilla glass, I'm sure it's tested under controlled conditions to assess the resistances to shattering, except that gorilla glass is not as sexy as generating a hue and cry as is water-resistance.
 
The idea again, that it's all or nothing is not realistic when there is no place in the internet that is 100% anything. A company tries to defend its users against malware and other types of scams or advertising, and then is chastised when it's imperfect. This seems ludicrous. I don't care if we're talking Google or Microsoft or Apple, or online car sales for that matter. None of it is perfect, nor could it be, so why is everyone thinking the company is at fault, when the App Developer purposefully set it up to be something it wasn't? Criminals still commit crimes, even with security measures, or life would be much happier. What happened to personal responsibility for one's actions? The people scammed on this app meet someone on a digital street in a digital gated community with security, don't know them, and offer them their own money because they like how the other person is dressed and what they are offering. And somehow it's the security company's fault? The scammer didn't rob them at gunpoint, the scammer offered something and the people handed them their money without blinking.
Right, and so it's not all or nothing for Apple. It can still take some accountability and show responsibility. I'm not entirely sure about your analogy, but the criminal is ultimately the problem. Another, not completely equivalent analogy might include students who are assaulted on campus. Schools often try to blame their victims, and a lot of people find that problematic. They may berate those victims while protecting their position and sometimes even the assaulter--as if the victim should have known better. Again, in this case, the victim could have been more prudent, but that person is a victim that was victimized on a platform that Apple monitors
 
Right, and so it's not all or nothing for Apple. It can still take some accountability and show responsibility. I'm not entirely sure about your analogy, but the criminal is ultimately the problem. Another, not completely equivalent analogy might include students who are assaulted on campus. Schools often try to blame their victims, and a lot of people find that problematic. They may berate those victims while protecting their position and sometimes even the assaulter--as if the victim should have known better. Again, in this case, the victim could have been more prudent, but that person is a victim that was victimized on a platform that Apple monitors
Except that a robbery by gunpoint is the same as a victim on campus of an assault, and that is not what happened. What happened is that the victim got in a stranger's car (the App) and was then taken off the campus where they willingly did whatever (voluntary use of the app), and then it ended badly. No one forced the victim to get in the car. And the security company didn't knowingly let the stranger on campus...the stranger had a good fake ID and talked his way in. Of course it sucks that it happened. And yes, the criminal is the problem, but so is the gullibility of the victim. All decisions have consequences. Some of them have such bad consequences that they are truly awful. You're basically saying that you want personal freedom and a security state for when your personal freedom is in danger. The campus scenario...While I believe there should be more security on campus, you would have to have easily hundreds of security walking campus at night of a campus of 20,000 in order to not have as many crimes. And even then the criminals would find a way.
 
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Only if you do not understand how auto correct works and do not bother to do any actual learning for yourself.
Sorry, but that is not autocorrect. Autocorrect is typing t-r-e-z and seeing iOS suggest geez.

Typing t-r-e-z into the App Store today shows trezor wallet as the first suggestion. That is Apple selling that result to someone. They are profiting from these scam apps.
 
Except that a robbery by gunpoint is the same as a victim on campus of an assault, and that is not what happened. What happened is that the victim got in a stranger's car (the App) and was then taken off the campus where they willingly did whatever (voluntary use of the app), and then it ended badly. No one forced the victim to get in the car. And the security company didn't knowingly let the stranger on campus...the stranger had a good fake ID and talked his way in. Of course it sucks that it happened. And yes, the criminal is the problem, but so is the gullibility of the victim. All decisions have consequences. Some of them have such bad consequences that they are truly awful.
And so is Apple for failing to protect its users. As you said, it's not all or nothing, including for Apple
 
Apple does not state that you the consumer can submerge a phone. Apples' website clearly states this is tested in laboratory conditions. Nowhere does the website say, you the consumer should (or even can) perform the same tests.

The same as gorilla glass, I'm sure it's tested under controlled conditions to assess the resistances to shattering, except that gorilla glass is not as sexy as generating a hue and cry as is water-resistance.
And yet in their iPhone page you can read this:

Splash, Water, and Dust Resistant3
Rated IP68 (maximum depth of 6 meters up to 30 minutes) under IEC standard 60529

Yes, theres the fine print at the bottom of the page saying that is on a laboratory and not covered by warranty, but that’s misleading as I see it.
 
No, far worse does!
On every single day!
For over 10 years and counting!
The difference is the Bitcoin scam happened to gullible people, getting hacked does not pertain to a particular user

Also, Android has many security features in place, even this it's not relevant to my point, but you knew that did't you chief
 
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