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We should probably wait for it to A) come out B) be useful / run well and C) become a 'requirement' in the minds of the general population before jumping to any conclusions.
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BlackBerry jumping ahead of iPhone with full Flash support
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Well ...
We should probably wait for it to A) come out B) be useful / run well and C) become a 'requirement' in the minds of the general population before jumping to any conclusions.
The "Web 2.0" technologies... all the dynamic stuff via html and css and javascript, and so on, are the only reason I wonder... if we had this conversation in 2004 and you told me I could have a device that browsed the web but didn't use Flash, I wouldn't think it very useful. Today, honestly, I feel like I do whatever I want on the iPhone, largely modulo things that are inconvenient to do without a keyboard or a big screen, anyway, and it's only the 1-5% of the time that Flash turns out to be an issue... Maybe I'm alone, but I feel like the web that I visit in 2009 doesn't use that much Flash, aside from Youtube and advertisements. Well, NY Times does flash videos, but they're terrible anyways. Their fashion guy who does videos is an idiot.
The "Web 2.0" technologies... all the dynamic stuff via html and css and javascript, and so on, are the only reason I wonder... if we had this conversation in 2004 and you told me I could have a device that browsed the web but didn't use Flash, I wouldn't think it very useful. Today, honestly, I feel like I do whatever I want on the iPhone, largely modulo things that are inconvenient to do without a keyboard or a big screen, anyway, and it's only the 1-5% of the time that Flash turns out to be an issue... Maybe I'm alone, but I feel like the web that I visit in 2009 doesn't use that much Flash, aside from Youtube and advertisements. Well, NY Times does flash videos, but they're terrible anyways. Their fashion guy who does videos is an idiot.
Not to mention that I suspect the web is moving towards HTML 5 videos ....
Good point... although they massively screwed up the consortium by settling on Ogg Theora, IMHO, when no one outside of Linux really uses it, between this and Apple selling Youtube on H.264, I think ultimately we'll see a different system that returns videos to a realm of even loosely efficient processing.
Anyway, in my mind, kudos to both Adobe and RIM for this milestone. We'll see what they come up with and whether it has a killer app or not.
Interesting HTML 5 stuff: http://htmlfive.appspot.com/
Check out the video players section - 'rotate' surprised and impressed me.
Check out the video players section - 'rotate' surprised and impressed me.
I understood they had dropped Ogg Theora from the draft after massive protests from manufacturers. But I agree that there will be a new standard that is in no way based on Flash. Personally, I would be very surprised if anything but h.264 were the codec of the future for the web.
First off, if you brought a Blackberry Storm that shows two thing:
One: you did not do your homework,
Two: your not tech savy.
The Storm is the worst hardware BB put out in recent years. It should of taken you all of 30 seconds to realize the touch screen was a scam. The Storm so called Touch screen is nothing but one giant button. Highlight an icon in the upper left conner and press anywhere on the screen but that icon and that icon activates. So that put your comments on the BB Curve in suspect territory also.
maybe 3 years or more.....
+1 for BB!!!!
lol. have you seen flash on the hero? and that has way better hardware than the bb in your sig. I hope you're not expecting much from this. flash is not ready for phones; nobody has gotten it right, and nobody will in foreseeable future.
Oh goodie, another Flash Bash thread.
Sure, not many people would want to look at a Flash site on the iPhone, it's just too small. But it's also too small for html full sites as well - all that pinching and zooming is a pain, I only use it in a pinch (pun). Still loads slow even on WiFi.
But there are still other valid uses for Flash content that would work and could work if they were made for the iPhone. Some apps might go away and be replaced by iPhone Flash sites such as movie or artist promo sites.
It's also been said that no one wants to look at web ads in Flash. It's true, it would make the page load even slower, but it's only fair since you're getting the site's content for free.
So I'm in favor of adding Flash, but not for what's out there now but what the potential could be.
Sure, not many people would want to look at a Flash site on the iPhone, it's just too small. But it's also too small for html full sites as well - all that pinching and zooming is a pain, I only use it in a pinch (pun). Still loads slow even on WiFi.
But there are still other valid uses for Flash content that would work and could work if they were made for the iPhone. Some apps might go away and be replaced by iPhone Flash sites such as movie or artist promo sites.
It's also been said that no one wants to look at web ads in Flash. It's true, it would make the page load even slower, but it's only fair since you're getting the site's content for free.
So I'm in favor of adding Flash, but not for what's out there now but what the potential could be.
I posted something similar back in June about how the iphone is not getting flash. Whether or not the web is moving into something not flash based, many web pages currently use flash and obviously unable to be viewed by Safari.
Apple's excuses of "it wastes too much battery life" or "the web is moving to a different standard" or other excuses don't necessarily justify them not having it. By the time that flash is no longer used, the iphone will finally be getting flash. There will always be an upcoming and newer standard, so why not allow what is currently used (and will be for a few more years undoubtedly) to the consumers? Probably b/c apple does not want to pay Adobe licensing rights.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/729566/
Apple's excuses of "it wastes too much battery life" or "the web is moving to a different standard" or other excuses don't necessarily justify them not having it. By the time that flash is no longer used, the iphone will finally be getting flash. There will always be an upcoming and newer standard, so why not allow what is currently used (and will be for a few more years undoubtedly) to the consumers? Probably b/c apple does not want to pay Adobe licensing rights.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/729566/
I'm curious to see if BB integrates flash well. If their flash is slow and awful, then I'll be thanking the flying spaghetti monster that Apple has been holding off on integrating flash.
For me, there's no point in Apple bringing out flash if they can't do it right. If you think people are bitching about the lack of flash, imagine what it'd be like if they introduced a slow, buggy, crash-prone flash. We'd all need wrath retardant suits for all the fury that'd be raining down on macrumors.
For me, there's no point in Apple bringing out flash if they can't do it right. If you think people are bitching about the lack of flash, imagine what it'd be like if they introduced a slow, buggy, crash-prone flash. We'd all need wrath retardant suits for all the fury that'd be raining down on macrumors.
But wouldn't anyone want it as an option that you could turn on or off instead of not having it at all? It's interesting how some would rather just see "You must install flash" on their safari browser. I for one would like to at least see the webpage (especially if I'm on the road looking for a number or something) even if it is slow or eats up battery. This happened to me just yesterday and the business number was all built in on the webpage under flash.
If that's the case ... the site, and that number, wouldn't be getting indexed by Google either. That's just bad design.
I suppose it would be nice to have the option. This kind of reminds me of the people who defended, to the point of absurdity, Apple's not including cut/copy/paste functionality or turn-by-turn GPS apps. Well the iphone has both now, how many lives are ruined by that? None? Thought so. Flash has been available for WinMo for a long time. I don't recall ever once using it, couldn't tell you how well it worked and I don't recall care, but it was nice to have the option in case I came across a site that left me no choice. Come to think of it, it had more than one implementation, too.
That's all I think we need, the option of having flash. If some don't want to use it, there should be an option in safari to turn it off. But without it, surfing many webpages is crippling and often completely unsuccessful.
Cellocello, you are right. I had to google it and only found it by going through the link for citysearch. This is indirect and can be irritating. In today's economy, many people/businesses that have their webpages already built with flash will unlikely be able to pay or use their time to create a new page based on future standards. That is why I think we should have the option of flash since this is what is often used today regardless of what is used in the future.
I thought that the reason flash is not supported on iphone is because web based video games will kill app store revenue..
this makes sense because BB, Android, nokia, etc phones do not have a app store that can compare to apples, so they have less to lose compared to apple,
so whats gonna change??
this makes sense because BB, Android, nokia, etc phones do not have a app store that can compare to apples, so they have less to lose compared to apple,
so whats gonna change??
iPhone supports Flash already
There are over a dozen apps in the App store (some free) that will allow you to view Flash content, full Java, etc., on IE 7 even. They're Remote Desktop and VNC viewers for your Windows PC or Mac. If you have a connection fast enough for Flash, it's probably fast enough for remote viewing of your desktop computer.
There are over a dozen apps in the App store (some free) that will allow you to view Flash content, full Java, etc., on IE 7 even. They're Remote Desktop and VNC viewers for your Windows PC or Mac. If you have a connection fast enough for Flash, it's probably fast enough for remote viewing of your desktop computer.
Maybe because your doing it wrong? Why pinch and zoom? Double tap on what you want to read/look at and it zooms that area to full screen. The iphones safari does a very good job of rendering full size sites and allowing you to focus on the content your trying to look at.
As far as the new flash goes if it's as smooth and fluent at release as what I've seen from it so far, they can keep it.