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Blu-Ray playback?
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Agreed to that - when the new MacBooks come out, probably in January, 2009, I have an uneasy feeling that the new ones will either include Blu-Ray, or High Definition DVD Support.. Probably Blu-Ray, as HD is considered to be dead.
No it is not. You should not tell him it is illegal when you haven't the slightest clue. It is legal. If you own the DVD, you can make a Backup of it to put on your iPod for YOU, not for anyone else. If you share it with anyone else, that is very illegal.
Wish all you want, you won't make what you just said come true.
Its plain fact that making any copy for any reason is illegal, if you can't see that then oh well. Thats WHY they come encrypted in the first place! Hopefully the feds won't come knocking on your door some day.
Its plain fact that making any copy for any reason is illegal, if you can't see that then oh well. Thats WHY they come encrypted in the first place! Hopefully the feds won't come knocking on your door some day.
It is not illegal. At most it is license breach. And that probably isn't the case either, since the Fair Use act contains provisions that can be interpreted that if a person owns a title, they can use it for their own purposes. You cannot, however, distribute those titles to others.
The law dictates that if you breach any form of encryption, no matter how weak it may be, it is a crime.
When you copy a DVD, you are breaking the CSS copy protection system and are thereby breaking the law.
Music CDs do not have copy protection, and are thus free to format shift through fair use.
Technically, if DVDs did not have copy protection, than you would be free to format shift them.
When you copy a DVD, you are breaking the CSS copy protection system and are thereby breaking the law.
Music CDs do not have copy protection, and are thus free to format shift through fair use.
Technically, if DVDs did not have copy protection, than you would be free to format shift them.
This is all about ownership.
If you have a receipt of purchase you own a licensed for private use copy of that whether its music, software or a movie. You are not pirating anything until you cross the line and sell it for profit by mass producing copies. There is a difficult process for ANY LAWYER OR PRODUCTION HOUSE to go after anyone for lending out their copy of any of the above. Lending it to anyone is not a crime. Listening or viewing it privately is not a crime. Handing out the original copies of anything is taking a risk that it will become damaged lost or worse stolen. It is therefore safe practice to make copies of the originals for storage on a data drive or on storage media for your own personal use. If anyone has an issue with that then they can can feel free to lawyer up and come after you. They will of course without a doubt...lose. It is only when you actually gain monetary profit from the hard work put into those productions where actual theft has occured. If you don't believe it ....then lawyer up. No one has been prosecuted for making bachups of their originals... The people prosecuted actually pirated their copies or have paid into a service that allows them to pull from a pool of copies under the guise of online backups, when in fact it is sharing of content like Napster. Once done you're game for legal process. Unless of course you can provide proof of purchase of original media.
In the example of a school auditorium....if the school is the actual owner of the media then they are free to use the backup copies for viewing with a full auditorium of alumni, faculty and administration. If it is a copy provided from any individuals' library on loan to the school.....then the owner of the media is in fact in a breach of contract with the producers of that original. If the school pays that individual for use of this copied media knowing full well it is not the original copy, and is in fact just a backup of the original then the school is in fact also breaking the law.
Law is powerful, but only works if interpreted correctly. Blame is only on those who've committed a crime knowingly.
distributing copies for profit is knowingly profiting from it and is illegal.
Loaning a copy to a friend is not unless the friend does something illegal with that copy. IE, airing the movie in a public forum, or selling mass produced copies of the original. If viewed privately then the contract between the original purchaser and the producer of that copyrighted original copy applies and that person must use that copy responsibly for private viewing only with the "licensed" owners consent.
There are many ways to copy movies without breaking the encryption. You only assume someone is breaking the encryption. There are many DV players that can playthrough DVD content from a tether to a computer playback without breaking the encryption algorithm. And as such....it is legal!!!! END of story.
Its actually very simple to understand, unless of course you are a fanatic about not making copies period....then you're just an anal retentive. But, unfortunately thats not illegal either. ;-)
If you have a receipt of purchase you own a licensed for private use copy of that whether its music, software or a movie. You are not pirating anything until you cross the line and sell it for profit by mass producing copies. There is a difficult process for ANY LAWYER OR PRODUCTION HOUSE to go after anyone for lending out their copy of any of the above. Lending it to anyone is not a crime. Listening or viewing it privately is not a crime. Handing out the original copies of anything is taking a risk that it will become damaged lost or worse stolen. It is therefore safe practice to make copies of the originals for storage on a data drive or on storage media for your own personal use. If anyone has an issue with that then they can can feel free to lawyer up and come after you. They will of course without a doubt...lose. It is only when you actually gain monetary profit from the hard work put into those productions where actual theft has occured. If you don't believe it ....then lawyer up. No one has been prosecuted for making bachups of their originals... The people prosecuted actually pirated their copies or have paid into a service that allows them to pull from a pool of copies under the guise of online backups, when in fact it is sharing of content like Napster. Once done you're game for legal process. Unless of course you can provide proof of purchase of original media.
In the example of a school auditorium....if the school is the actual owner of the media then they are free to use the backup copies for viewing with a full auditorium of alumni, faculty and administration. If it is a copy provided from any individuals' library on loan to the school.....then the owner of the media is in fact in a breach of contract with the producers of that original. If the school pays that individual for use of this copied media knowing full well it is not the original copy, and is in fact just a backup of the original then the school is in fact also breaking the law.
Law is powerful, but only works if interpreted correctly. Blame is only on those who've committed a crime knowingly.
distributing copies for profit is knowingly profiting from it and is illegal.
Loaning a copy to a friend is not unless the friend does something illegal with that copy. IE, airing the movie in a public forum, or selling mass produced copies of the original. If viewed privately then the contract between the original purchaser and the producer of that copyrighted original copy applies and that person must use that copy responsibly for private viewing only with the "licensed" owners consent.
There are many ways to copy movies without breaking the encryption. You only assume someone is breaking the encryption. There are many DV players that can playthrough DVD content from a tether to a computer playback without breaking the encryption algorithm. And as such....it is legal!!!! END of story.
Its actually very simple to understand, unless of course you are a fanatic about not making copies period....then you're just an anal retentive. But, unfortunately thats not illegal either. ;-)
Loaning an original to a friend is not, loaning a copy is though.
Playback is one thing but if you record that stream then its circumvention of copy protection, much like recording a movie in a theater with a camcorder.
Loaning a copy to a friend for private use...is not. Selling it to him is. Research it.
If you backup that copy for private use by streaming then housing it on safe media it is not illegal. Airing it for public viewing and or selling mass produced copies of it is illegal.
again.
Research it.
You'll find plenty on people who've breach the contract in a public venue or sale for profit or napster type theft. Nothing on the above....that stood up in court.
Working for a law publication lends itself to much data on the subject. ;-)
I have. If you care to read then you can research it yourself on LexisNexis which is a pay into service for legal institutions to lookup legal rulings and judgments made on just about anything from the mundane to over the top and off the wall.
Or you can sit there and insist you are the final word on the law, which odds are....you are far from it. In which case you sir are so deep in a hole you do not see the light. Or in fact refuse to.
I've made copies of my movies.....why don't you tell someone and sue me. See how far that goes. ;-)
I already have.
Well, while you figure out a way to prosecute (which you won't) I'll continue to sit at my home office and rip away on my DVD's and Media. Store them, back them up and use them for whatever my private needs are. Hey I may even be using some as drink coasters already. In any case since its going on behind my closed doors...good luck. Unless you want to join me viewing some of my ripped movies in my first class home theater with stadium seating? Then you'll just have to itch all over with guilt for feeling like an accomplish. ;-)
You can watch what you have done in HD on a Blu Ray player but not a Mac. Also it's good to know if you make a HD movie in Final Cut (or FCE) you can burn a Blu Ray with Toast on a standard DVD. It will only hold about 30 minutes but it will be HiDef and playable on a Blu Ray player.
Sure you can. So long as it's not encrypted or baggaged with HDCP. Just download Plex and play the file.
Final answer to all questions
First, what is legal and what is not. According to Sony America Vs. Universal Studios, it is legal to make a copy of a TV show (off the air), or a vinyl record (or a CD, etc) for personal reasons ("Fair use" clause).
However, the problem with copying DVDs is different. DMCA (Digital Millenium Copyright Act) made it illegal to circumvent any copy protection system in order to make a (legal or otherwise) copy. So, even if it is technically legal to copy a commercially purchased DVD where content is protected by copyright, it is ILLEGAL to break the CSS and Macrovision copy protection in order to make that (legal) copy. The same applies for copying VHS cassettes with copyrighted content (i.e. movies) that have Macrovision code in the signal, which prevents them from being copied directly; you can no longer legally use the device that descrambles the signal.
As for Blu-ray situation on the Mac (the original topic of this), you can:
1. View HD content if it is encoded in QuickTime (HDV, AVCHD), using various QT plug-ins, or VLC;
2. Edit HD content using iMovie HD, iMovie 08, FCE/FCP or Adobe Premiere;
3. Author BluRay-formatted files using Adobe Encore, or Toast Titanium 9;
4. Play back unencrypted Blu-Ray content (or Blu-Ray formatted content) using third-party software (such as Plex), provided you Mac has enough muscle.
You CANNOT play encrypted Blu-Ray content, regardles of the medium, since neither Apple, nor other software vendors, have showed willingness to pay for the necessary licensing for the encryption software.
First, what is legal and what is not. According to Sony America Vs. Universal Studios, it is legal to make a copy of a TV show (off the air), or a vinyl record (or a CD, etc) for personal reasons ("Fair use" clause).
However, the problem with copying DVDs is different. DMCA (Digital Millenium Copyright Act) made it illegal to circumvent any copy protection system in order to make a (legal or otherwise) copy. So, even if it is technically legal to copy a commercially purchased DVD where content is protected by copyright, it is ILLEGAL to break the CSS and Macrovision copy protection in order to make that (legal) copy. The same applies for copying VHS cassettes with copyrighted content (i.e. movies) that have Macrovision code in the signal, which prevents them from being copied directly; you can no longer legally use the device that descrambles the signal.
As for Blu-ray situation on the Mac (the original topic of this), you can:
1. View HD content if it is encoded in QuickTime (HDV, AVCHD), using various QT plug-ins, or VLC;
2. Edit HD content using iMovie HD, iMovie 08, FCE/FCP or Adobe Premiere;
3. Author BluRay-formatted files using Adobe Encore, or Toast Titanium 9;
4. Play back unencrypted Blu-Ray content (or Blu-Ray formatted content) using third-party software (such as Plex), provided you Mac has enough muscle.
You CANNOT play encrypted Blu-Ray content, regardles of the medium, since neither Apple, nor other software vendors, have showed willingness to pay for the necessary licensing for the encryption software.
When you pass through a DV Player you are not doing anything to break the encryption as the DV cam does not acknowledge the encryption The playback device does...YOUR COMPUTER. It just plays it and passes through to a recorder. There is no hacking involved. There is no breaking of the encryption. There is no illegal decryption happening as the player already is dycrypting the feed legally, the pass through, using a DV cam is then recording that content that YOU LEGALLY PAID FOR. Windows players will playback the content on Blu Ray format and you can still pass through a DV or HDV player to record the playbayback. Really Simple. There is a device made by ENFOCUS that will allow the feed on one monitor to mirror to another and thus any HDV CAM can be used as the second monitor. Without having to defeat the Encryption as the playback is already decrypted. Add a toslink jumped between the two and the audio can be captured in AC3 format....Not PCM. Or a blackmagic HDMI video capture card and you can use that as a pass through on a macintosh to any HD capture device. Again no special hacks. Copying a playback that was legally decrypted and mind you...paid for. If you in fact did pay for it....keep the receipt. ;-)
Again...behind your closed doors you may use other extremes but for legal purposes the above method is completely free and clear. And again no one has been prosecuted to set precedence on this matter. It would be difficult to do so. Sony Suing Universal Studios is a completely different matter.
If the encryption is the issue then you need to get around it. You need to view the product you paid for and then record that viewing not crack the encryption and copy the content. That said the big boys would find it easier to look for instances of resale or theft by mass production or Napster type sharing.....again a different can of worms and completely within the realm of possibilities as there is a precedence for doing so.
So again....I copy my movies all the time....every friggin day. So sue me.
Who Cares
First of all, it is perfectly legal to copy your own media for personal use. We pay a levy on recordable media to allow us to have this privilege.
However....
It is illegal to break a digital lock, which means removing any copy encryption protection or drm certs.. so go figure.
But..
WHO CARES.. this law is completely un-enforceable, without bowing down and accepting a policed state type of government.
What are they going to do? Send cops to your house once or twice a month do see what movies you copied.
What are they going to do, charge your 5 year old for being in possession of an ipod with The Incredibles on it... PLEASE!!
UN-ENFORCEABLE LAWS are UNFAIR FLAWED LAWS. That why they can't be enforced... Thats why they use scare tactics.
Now before you all chime in on the kids being charged for downloading music etc... I am only referring to Copying physcial media that you own, or borrowed.
Download from the internet can be policed, and the authorities do not have to enter your home to do so.
Those laws can be enforced and are in my opinion fair laws.
Sharing your media with an unlimited audience is wrong.
Buy your own... Key work OWN.
First of all, it is perfectly legal to copy your own media for personal use. We pay a levy on recordable media to allow us to have this privilege.
However....
It is illegal to break a digital lock, which means removing any copy encryption protection or drm certs.. so go figure.
But..
WHO CARES.. this law is completely un-enforceable, without bowing down and accepting a policed state type of government.
What are they going to do? Send cops to your house once or twice a month do see what movies you copied.
What are they going to do, charge your 5 year old for being in possession of an ipod with The Incredibles on it... PLEASE!!
UN-ENFORCEABLE LAWS are UNFAIR FLAWED LAWS. That why they can't be enforced... Thats why they use scare tactics.
Now before you all chime in on the kids being charged for downloading music etc... I am only referring to Copying physcial media that you own, or borrowed.
Download from the internet can be policed, and the authorities do not have to enter your home to do so.
Those laws can be enforced and are in my opinion fair laws.
Sharing your media with an unlimited audience is wrong.
Buy your own... Key work OWN.
Apparently Apple cares enough to now provide the Digital copy of any Blu-Ray Title purchased that they also have in the iTunes store moving forward......Which is an acknowledgement of sorts that the Industry is just screwed up.
