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Boot Rom Updates

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Installshield said:
Stop celebrating your Firmware updates, there is a Catalina & eGPU topic where there are dozens of Mac Mini 2018 users frustrated that they have lost support for using eGPU. Each new Catalina Beta brought a new Firmware update, and we came to Beta 7 yesterday that hasn't fixed the issue yet, not even reinstalling Mojave
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you mad bro...lol.
 
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Installshield said:
Stop celebrating your Firmware updates, there is a Catalina & eGPU topic where there are dozens of Mac Mini 2018 users frustrated that they have lost support for using eGPU. Each new Catalina Beta brought a new Firmware update, and we came to Beta 7 yesterday that hasn't fixed the issue yet, not even reinstalling Mojave
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This thread is literally called boot rom updates.
 
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All Catalina supported Macs got firmware updates, some EFI versions got updated to two revisions over the previously released firmwares, from DP7.

MP6,1 got updated to 133.0.0.0.0:
Code: 
$IBIOSI$ MP61.88Z.F000.B00.1907241309
Copyright (c) 2005-2019 Apple Inc.  All rights reserved.
Apple ROM Version
  Model:        MP61
  EFI Version:  133.0.0.0.0
  Built by:     root@saumon
  Date:         Wed Jul 24 13:09:53 PDT 2019
  Revision:     133 (B&I)
  ROM Version:  F000_B00
  Build Type:   Official Build, Release
  Compiler:     Apple clang version 3.0 (tags/Apple/clang-211.10.1) (based on LLVM 3.0svn)

iMac19,1 back to clang 11.0.0:
Code: 
Apple ROM Version
  BIOS ID:      IM191.88Z.F000.B00.1908201755
  Model:        IM191
  EFI Version:  1037.0.62.0.0
  Built by:     _securitya@osx340
  Date:         Tue Aug 20 17:55:09 2019
  Revision:     1037.0.62 (B&I)
  ROM Version:  F000_B00
  Build Type:   Official Build, RELEASE
  Compiler:     Apple clang version 11.0.0 (clang-1100.0.32.4) (-macos10.15-objc-selec
  UUID:         E25F83A1-3371-3F04-A8E8-4F423FD7DBD8
  UUID:         3C7B961D-B425-300F-AD02-57AFA13BF1E4



Mac:EFI version:
IM13,1288.0.0.0.0
IM14,1140.0.0.0.0
IM14,2140.0.0.0.0
IM14,3140.0.0.0.0
IM14,4200.0.0.0.0
IM15,1231.0.0.0.0
IM16,1231.0.0.0.0
IM16,2231.0.0.0.0
IM17,1171.0.0.0.0
IM18,1176.0.0.0.0
IM18,3176.0.0.0.0
IM19,11037.0.62.0.0
MB10,1179.0.0.0.0
MB8,1185.0.0.0.0
MB9,1185.0.0.0.0
MBA5,1260.0.0.0.0
MBA6,1118.0.0.0.0
MBA7,1190.0.0.0.0
MBP10,1258.0.0.0.0
MBP10,2281.0.0.0.0
MBP11,1157.0.0.0.0
MBP11,2157.0.0.0.0
MBP11,4195.0.0.0.0
MBP12,1187.0.0.0.0
MBP13,1238.0.0.0.0
MBP13,2260.0.0.0.0
MBP13,3260.0.0.0.0
MBP14,1200.0.0.0.0
MBP14,2200.0.0.0.0
MBP14,3200.0.0.0.0
MBP9,1229.0.0.0.0
MM6,1281.0.0.0.0
MM7,1245.0.0.0.0
MP6,1133.0.0.0.0
 
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tsialex

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Apple released Catalina DP9 today and almost all Macs had firmware upgrades, some with two revisions over the previous DP8 release.
Mac:EFI version:
IM13,1288.0.0.0.0
IM14,1140.0.0.0.0
IM14,2140.0.0.0.0
IM14,3140.0.0.0.0
IM14,4200.0.0.0.0
IM15,1231.0.0.0.0
IM16,1231.0.0.0.0
IM16,2231.0.0.0.0
IM17,1173.0.0.0.0
IM18,1178.0.0.0.0
IM18,3178.0.0.0.0
IM19,11037.0.73.0.0
MB10,1182.0.0.0.0
MB8,1185.0.0.0.0
MB9,1187.0.0.0.0
MBA5,1260.0.0.0.0
MBA6,1118.0.0.0.0
MBA7,1190.0.0.0.0
MBP10,1258.0.0.0.0
MBP10,2281.0.0.0.0
MBP11,1157.0.0.0.0
MBP11,2157.0.0.0.0
MBP11,4195.0.0.0.0
MBP12,1187.0.0.0.0
MBP13,1240.0.0.0.0
MBP13,2262.0.0.0.0
MBP13,3262.0.0.0.0
MBP14,1202.0.0.0.0
MBP14,2202.0.0.0.0
MBP14,3202.0.0.0.0
MBP9,1229.0.0.0.0
MM6,1281.0.0.0.0
MM7,1245.0.0.0.0
MP6,1133.0.0.0.0
 
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MriX

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@tsialex Is there also happening an automatic firmware upgrade, when I create a installer usb stick and install from this stock? Or must I run the Apple software updates in the settings?
 
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MriX said:
@tsialex Is there also happening an automatic firmware upgrade, when I create a installer usb stick and install from this stock? Or must I run the Apple software updates in the settings?
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Firmware updates for Macs that have automatic updates are done by a service in the background, when a firmware update is released and you are using the current macOS version, the firmware update is done automatically.

If you are using let's say High Sierra, you won't get the Catalina firmware updates until Apple releases it for High Sierra, usually with a Security Update down the road.
 
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tsialex said:
Firmware updates for Macs that have automatic updates are done by a service in the background, when a firmware update is released and you are using the current macOS version, the firmware update is done automatically.

If you are using let's say High Sierra, you won't get the Catalina firmware updates until Apple releases it for High Sierra, usually with a Security Update down the road.
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Thanks for the clarification. I switched from my Mac Pro 5,1 to a MacBook Pro and was wondering how they get installed there.
Does this background service need a reboot to flash the rom?
 
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drisley

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I have a potentially related issue. I upgraded to Catalina:

I upgraded my Late 2015 27" iMac to Catalina when it was released this month. Now, about once a week I wake up to a message "Your Computer Has Detected A Potential Problem", and there is a file open called "EFICHECK.DUMP".

The other day, I decided to clean out my hard drive, and install Catalina fresh from the recovery mode, and this morning once again woke up to this error.

I went to System Report and it shows that I have Boot Rom Version (Firmware) "170.0.0.0.0" but according to this site it should be 173.0.0.0.0

https://eclecticlight.co/2019/10/08/which-efi-firmware-should-your-mac-be-using-version-4/

Could this be the issue? How does one fix this? I already did 2 installs (one from scratch) of Catalina. Computer runs fine, no crashes or errors, ever, until this after the Catalina upgrade.
 
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drisley said:
I have a potentially related issue. I upgraded to Catalina:

I upgraded my Late 2015 27" iMac to Catalina when it was released this month. Now, about once a week I wake up to a message "Your Computer Has Detected A Potential Problem", and there is a file open called "EFICHECK.DUMP".

The other day, I decided to clean out my hard drive, and install Catalina fresh from the recovery mode, and this morning once again woke up to this error.

I went to System Report and it shows that I have Boot Rom Version (Firmware) "170.0.0.0.0" but according to this site it should be 173.0.0.0.0

https://eclecticlight.co/2019/10/08/which-efi-firmware-should-your-mac-be-using-version-4/

Could this be the issue? How does one fix this? I already did 2 installs (one from scratch) of Catalina. Computer runs fine, no crashes or errors, ever, until this after the Catalina upgrade.
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Did you replaced your 12+16 Apple OEM PCIe SSD for a standard NVMe/AHCI M.2? If so, install it back and then reinstall Catalina.

Some Macs need the original 12+16 Apple OEM PCIe SSD to do the firmware upgrade installed.
 
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drisley

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No, everything is stock from Apple. I've never opened it up or changed any hardware.
 
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drisley

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I did add extra memory, but that shouldn't affect the firmware upgrade process should it?
 
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Several firmware updates with 10.15.2 DP2 for nonBridgeOS Macs. All firmwares have November 1 creation date.

Mac:EFI version:
IM13,1288.0.0.0.0
IM14,1140.0.0.0.0
IM14,2140.0.0.0.0
IM14,3140.0.0.0.0
IM14,4200.0.0.0.0
IM15,1231.0.0.0.0
IM16,1232.0.0.0.0
IM16,2232.0.0.0.0
IM17,1174.0.0.0.0
IM18,1179.0.0.0.0
IM18,3179.0.0.0.0
IM19,11037.60.5.0.0
MB10,1183.0.0.0.0
MB8,1186.0.0.0.0
MB9,1188.0.0.0.0
MBA5,1260.0.0.0.0
MBA6,1118.0.0.0.0
MBA7,1191.0.0.0.0
MBP10,1258.0.0.0.0
MBP10,2281.0.0.0.0
MBP11,1157.0.0.0.0
MBP11,2157.0.0.0.0
MBP11,4195.0.0.0.0
MBP12,1188.0.0.0.0
MBP13,1241.0.0.0.0
MBP13,2263.0.0.0.0
MBP13,3263.0.0.0.0
MBP14,1203.0.0.0.0
MBP14,2203.0.0.0.0
MBP14,3203.0.0.0.0
MBP9,1229.0.0.0.0
MM6,1281.0.0.0.0
MM7,1245.0.0.0.0
MP6,1133.0.0.0.0
 
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tsialex said:
Several firmware updates with 10.15.2 DP2 for nonBridgeOS Macs. All firmwares have November 1 creation date.

Mac:EFI version:
IM13,1288.0.0.0.0
IM14,1140.0.0.0.0
IM14,2140.0.0.0.0
IM14,3140.0.0.0.0
IM14,4200.0.0.0.0
IM15,1231.0.0.0.0
IM16,1232.0.0.0.0
IM16,2232.0.0.0.0
IM17,1174.0.0.0.0
IM18,1179.0.0.0.0
IM18,3179.0.0.0.0
IM19,11037.60.5.0.0
MB10,1183.0.0.0.0
MB8,1186.0.0.0.0
MB9,1188.0.0.0.0
MBA5,1260.0.0.0.0
MBA6,1118.0.0.0.0
MBA7,1191.0.0.0.0
MBP10,1258.0.0.0.0
MBP10,2281.0.0.0.0
MBP11,1157.0.0.0.0
MBP11,2157.0.0.0.0
MBP11,4195.0.0.0.0
MBP12,1188.0.0.0.0
MBP13,1241.0.0.0.0
MBP13,2263.0.0.0.0
MBP13,3263.0.0.0.0
MBP14,1203.0.0.0.0
MBP14,2203.0.0.0.0
MBP14,3203.0.0.0.0
MBP9,1229.0.0.0.0
MM6,1281.0.0.0.0
MM7,1245.0.0.0.0
MP6,1133.0.0.0.0
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Hi, I have a MBP 12.1 bootrom 187.0.0.0.0 and I was wondering whether the new firmware improve battery life with non apple NVME drives.

Thanks
 
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Kraizelburg said:
Hi, I have a MBP 12.1 bootrom 187.0.0.0.0 and I was wondering whether the new firmware improve battery life with non apple NVME drives.

Thanks
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Apple don't keep public changelogs of what was improved with firmware upgrades, go to the NVMe thread for you MBP and ask there if people noticed any changes.
 
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MBA 7,2 received boot ROM update with the release of macOS 10.15.3 (19D76) on January 28, 2020. It now stands at 192.0.0.0.
 
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Carioquinha

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Hey everybody, good morning!
Any news about other boot ROM update with latest macOS 10.15.3?
May macbook pro 12,1 is actually runnning on 188.0.0.0.0 with 10.15.3 - but as I have a non apple NVME drive installed I am not sure wether boot Rom should have been updated or not?

Thanks in advance
 
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Carioquinha said:
Hey everybody, good morning!
Any news about other boot ROM update with latest macOS 10.15.3?
May macbook pro 12,1 is actually runnning on 188.0.0.0.0 with 10.15.3 - but as I have a non apple NVME drive installed I am not sure wether boot Rom should have been updated or not?

Thanks in advance
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There's a link in post 34 of this thread which lists all the current firmwares. Yours is not current.
 
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Carioquinha

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Hey, thanks for the advice - I already checked that page, but was kind of missled, as the date stated the articles is of last year. Reading it correctly I recognized that the list itself has been updated.
Thanks!
 
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10.15.3 (19D76) EFI Version table for non-BridgeOS Macs:

(same versions as 10.15.3 DP2 and 10.15. DP3)

Mac:EFI version:
IM13,1289.0.0.0.0
IM14,1141.0.0.0.0
IM14,2141.0.0.0.0
IM14,3141.0.0.0.0
IM14,4201.0.0.0.0
IM15,1232.0.0.0.0
IM16,1232.0.0.0.0
IM16,2232.0.0.0.0
IM17,1175.0.0.0.0
IM18,1180.0.0.0.0
IM18,3180.0.0.0.0
IM19,11037.80.34.0.0
MB10,1184.0.0.0.0
MB8,1187.0.0.0.0
MB9,1189.0.0.0.0
MBA5,1261.0.0.0.0
MBA6,1119.0.0.0.0
MBA7,1192.0.0.0.0
MBP10,1259.0.0.0.0
MBP10,2282.0.0.0.0
MBP11,1158.0.0.0.0
MBP11,2158.0.0.0.0
MBP11,4196.0.0.0.0
MBP12,1189.0.0.0.0
MBP13,1242.0.0.0.0
MBP13,2264.0.0.0.0
MBP13,3264.0.0.0.0
MBP14,1204.0.0.0.0
MBP14,2204.0.0.0.0
MBP14,3204.0.0.0.0
MBP9,1230.0.0.0.0
MM6,1282.0.0.0.0
MM7,1246.0.0.0.0
MP6,1134.0.0.0.0
 
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Does anybody know if the battery has to be installed in a MBP for a firmware update to happen? Or the connected power adapter is enough?
 
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avz said:
Does anybody know if the battery has to be installed in a MBP for a firmware update to happen? Or the connected power adapter is enough?
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Well, you can try, since all a computer needs is power, and boot ROM probably has nothing to do with being battery-powered or direct plug-in. Try!
 
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macintoshmac said:
Well, you can try, since all a computer needs is power, and boot ROM probably has nothing to do with being battery-powered or direct plug-in. Try!
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Yes, I actually already updated my MacBookPro7,1 with just a power adapter connected but there was no Boot ROM update. I just wanted to confirm. I know that High Sierra is at the end of its support, just waiting to see if Apple issues one last firmware update for this machine.
 
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avz said:
Yes, I actually already updated my MacBookPro7,1 with just a power adapter connected but there was no Boot ROM update. I just wanted to confirm. I know that High Sierra is at the end of its support, just waiting to see if Apple issues one last firmware update for this machine.
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Oh.
 
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