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So I got an interesting response from Sonnet!



I do not know what to make of all this craziness. I very much appreciate the Sonnet folks at lest being aware of some of these issues. But considering we have reports, above, that the 61TB Solidigm drive "seems" to work at full write speeds, I'm even more baffled as to what it all means.

What I don't get about the above statement is that it is clearly not true with regard to capacity as 20+TB spinning drives work just fine in macOS. So not sure why there is a capacity limitation for SSDs?

Would appreciate anyone with any thoughts on any of this. I'm prepping to send the 30tb intel drive back, and was going to look for a 61tb Solidigm, but now wondering if I should bother... but with a hearsay report of the 61TB drive working, perhaps that's all we got to go on? Man, I cannot believe the dearth of information about such a simple thing. So weird.
I wonder if there is an entirely different KEXT involved that works with SSD drives vs. spinning drives. That is the only thing I could think of; but even then, why would you limit the size of SSD drives?
 
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So I got an interesting response from Sonnet!



I do not know what to make of all this craziness. I very much appreciate the Sonnet folks at lest being aware of some of these issues. But considering we have reports, above, that the 61TB Solidigm drive "seems" to work at full write speeds, I'm even more baffled as to what it all means.

What I don't get about the above statement is that it is clearly not true with regard to capacity as 20+TB spinning drives work just fine in macOS. So not sure why there is a capacity limitation for SSDs?

Would appreciate anyone with any thoughts on any of this. I'm prepping to send the 30tb intel drive back, and was going to look for a 61tb Solidigm, but now wondering if I should bother... but with a hearsay report of the 61TB drive working, perhaps that's all we got to go on? Man, I cannot believe the dearth of information about such a simple thing. So weird.
Actually the issue with your D5-5316 is not the only case. The same problem happens on Intel(now solidigm) p4510 which has capacity smaller than 15.36TB. Hence I doubt the conclusion from Sonnect. There is a more detailed compatibility list of u2 drives but it is in Chinese. From the information I got, some u2 drives are not fully supported for no reason at all due to the awful support from Apple. The only way to know if a u2 drive is fully supported is to find someone that have tried before.
 
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Actually the issue with your D5-5316 is not the only case. The same problem happens on Intel(now solidigm) p4510 which has capacity smaller than 15.36TB. Hence I doubt the conclusion from Sonnect. There is a more detailed compatibility list of u2 drives but it is in Chinese. From the information I got, some u2 drives are not fully supported for no reason at all due to the awful support from Apple. The only way to know if a u2 drive is fully supported is to find someone that have tried before.
Any chance you could link to the Chinese compatibility list? And my guess is the only drive on that list that's known compatible is the Solidigm SBFPF2BV614T001 D5-P5336 Series 61.44TB, 2.5"?
 
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For capacity larger than 30.72tb, Solidigm D5-P5336 is the only one known supported. All capacities of P5336 are supported hence you can also try 30.72tb P5336. The capacity is not a factor that affects the compatibility. I'll try to attach the image later
 

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For capacity larger than 30.72tb, Solidigm D5-P5336 is the only one known supported. All capacities of P5336 are supported hence you can also try 30.72tb P5336. The capacity is not a factor that affects the compatibility. I'll try to attach the image later

Much appreciated!
 

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This is the compatibility list including the speed and known issue. It's not all the information they have. If you want to know if a specific U2 drive is fully supported, I can help you ask them.
 

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This is the compatibility list including the speed and known issue. It's not all the information they have. If you want to know if a specific U2 drive is fully supported, I can help you ask them.

That would be amazing. Basically curious of what are the 30TB and larger U.2/U.3/EDSFF drives that are compatible at full speed. Thank you, and them, so much!
 
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Taiwan earthquake damaging TSMC and USMC foundries will make semiconductors prices soar this week.
Thanks, that, sadly, makes sense. For some reason the scene from Airplane springs to mind. I picked a bad week to want an SSD.

Poor folks there. Hope the can recover. It looked pretty crazy rough.
 
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Thanks, that, sadly, makes sense. For some reason the scene from Airplane springs to mind. I picked a bad week to want an SSD.

Poor folks there. Hope the can recover. It looked pretty crazy rough.
How much does P5336 61TB cost currently? I'm also interested in buying one.
 
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How much does P5336 61TB cost currently? I'm also interested in buying one.

Well, a few days ago it was going for about $4800. And, apparently, because of the Taiwan earthquake, they shot up by $2000 in many places! So I'm going to wait for it to come back down.

This place still advertises it for that much, but they have a no return policy, and that's a bit too risky for my tastes:

And apparently they were on sale for $3800 4 months ago at tech-america.com per this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/18jr7bi

Please let me know if you find it for a good price somewhere!
 
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Well, a few days ago it was going for about $4800. And, apparently, because of the Taiwan earthquake, they shot up by $2000 in many places! So I'm going to wait for it to come back down.

This place still advertises it for that much, but they have a no return policy, and that's a bit too risky for my tastes:

And apparently they were on sale for $3800 4 months ago at tech-america.com per this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/18jr7bi

Please let me know if you find it for a good price somewhere!
$4800 is still acceptable for a 61tb drive but the extra $2000 is way too much. I haven't seen any place with reasonable price yet.
 

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This is the compatibility list including the speed and known issue. It's not all the information they have. If you want to know if a specific U2 drive is fully supported, I can help you ask them.
Jumping on this thread a little late. The Chinese list shows read/write speeds for the Samsung PM983 7.68T U.2 drive in the macOS column implying the drive works in macOS but the red Chinese text in the last column seems to say it is not compatible, per Google translate. Would appreciate any clarification or guidance. I have some Kioxia CM-5R U.2 SSD's working in an OWC Gemini Thunderbolt enclosure but the Samsung PM983 do not work. The drive unmounts after a few seconds of being powered on.
 

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May 22 update of the Sonnet chart. I think they may be reading this thread as they noted the slow write speed on the Solidigm D5-P5316. Although they also noted it for the P5430.

If they are reading, I wish they might consider expanding their chart to include 61TB drives and in particular, these two drives: SOLIDIGM D5-P5336 Series (30.72TB, 2.5”) SBFPF2BV307T001, and SOLIDIGM D5-P5336 Series (61.44TB, 2.5”) SBFPF2BV614T001.
 
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Jumping on this thread a little late. The Chinese list shows read/write speeds for the Samsung PM983 7.68T U.2 drive in the macOS column implying the drive works in macOS but the red Chinese text in the last column seems to say it is not compatible, per Google translate. Would appreciate any clarification or guidance. I have some Kioxia CM-5R U.2 SSD's working in an OWC Gemini Thunderbolt enclosure but the Samsung PM983 do not work. The drive unmounts after a few seconds of being powered on.
It means that Samsung PM983 can be identified in MacOS but it is unstable(some drives are even worse and they cannot be detected at all like Micron 9400pro). Overall it shows PM983 is not usable on MacOS unless Apple changes its U2 SSD driver in future update. If you have any detailed question, I can help you ask them directly.
 

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Ok folks. The adventure continues!

I ordered the 30TB version of the drive.

SOLIDIGM D5-P5336 Series (30.72TB, 2.5”) SBFPF2BV307T001

For some reason the 60TB drive prices really went through the roof (after the earth quake in Taiwan were around $5500 and now around $7000) and have not come down.

So we shall see how this one works. I think it's our only hope! Fingers crossed!
 
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Ok folks. The adventure continues!

I ordered the 30TB version of the drive.

SOLIDIGM D5-P5336 Series (30.72TB, 2.5”) SBFPF2BV307T001

For some reason the 60TB drive prices really went through the roof (after the earth quake in Taiwan were around $5500 and now around $7000) and have not come down.

So we shall see how this one works. I think it's our only hope! Fingers crossed!

Ug, Nextwarehouse cancelled my order. What BS. I ordered it for 2344. I look back minutes later and they change the price to liek 3500. And then they say we dont have any in stock because of COVID??? Despite the website saying they have 13 in stock. Welp. Never again.

Oh well, will look for another deal. Arg! Why does it feel like I'm climbing everest or something when all i want to do is get a larger hard drive for my mac. Yeash.
 
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Ok, into the breach once more. I put in another order. Let's see if this place makes good on it. If it does, I'll share the source. Fingers crossed.
 
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It's interesting. Looks like it's not just U.2/U.3 drive compatibility that is going to poop with Apple:


Sonnettech list of deteriorating M.2 NVMe support. Looks like all NVMe support is going down hill and that Sonoma is just a dumpster fire. So the rest of the apple community getting to taste the joy of deteriorating support some of us here have for quite a while.

It seems the real culprit is just apple dropping the ball with deteriorating support of some really basic staple technologies. At this rate, can we expect loss of USB thumb drives and peripherals? Pathetic.
 
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Ok, got the drive. Hooray! And plugged it into the Trebleet TB4 enclosure and it worked with writes at 2100MB/s and reads around the same. That's a good sign and probably the limits of TB4. So now backing up and will plug it in internally. Fingers crossed!

But so far, it seems that the SOLIDIGM D5-P5336 Series (30.72TB, 2.5”) SBFPF2BV307T001 (and it's 61TB brother SOLIDIGM D5-P5336 Series (61.44TB, 2.5”) SBFPF2BV614T001) might be the real deal.
 
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Hooray! It works! OH MY GOODNESS! YAY!

Right now I'm getting an out 2950MB/s writes and 3100MB/s reads. I was hoping the reads would be in the 5000s, but, the machine is thrashing a good bit after the brain transplant from the 15tb Micron 9300 Pro, so I will test it later after it settles down.

For me this is a big win and I may still get the 61TB version of this if/when the price settles down. It's not the fastest drive, but, its faster than the 9300 pro by a little, and I finally have some free space, so that's a big deal!

Hope this was helpful to some others here that need big boot drives. For now, it seems these 2 drives are the real deal:

SOLIDIGM D5-P5336 Series (30.72TB, 2.5”) SBFPF2BV307T001
SOLIDIGM D5-P5336 Series (61.44TB, 2.5”) SBFPF2BV614T001
 
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