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Rogifan

macrumors Penryn
Nov 14, 2011
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Normally I don't participate in this kind of speculation, but it is quite telling that the review itself has a generally negative tone towards both Nexus 7 tablets despite the 9.0 score. The new Nexus 7 looks like a good tablet, but the iPad mini is absolutely the safer bet, especially given the maturity of the tablet app ecosystem on iOS. The safest bet, however, is to wait until the 2nd gen mini is released.

I swear posters over there don't even read the reviews they just look at the scores. I knew the minute it was announced it would get a 9, especially since the mini got a 9 last year (and readers went nuts).
 

ZBoater

macrumors G3
Jul 2, 2007
8,498
1,325
Sunny Florida
I just picked up a Nexus 7 from Best Buy. And I currently own the mini. I can tell you the Nexus runs circles around the mini. Apple better up their game with the next mini. A 1024x768 resolution Mini 2 would be a disaster.
 

Breaking Good

macrumors 65816
Sep 28, 2012
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ugh this is so hard to decide. i need a tablet now for work ( to make schedules ) and access small excel sheets on the go but i dont want a huge ipad for that just a mini. but i wont get the mini because of the bad screen ( im very picky about resolution because my eyesight needs sharp text) so that leads me to a nexus 7 that is outside my now apple eco system ( wont stream to apple tv or will it ? )

im taking 2 flights round trip in the next 2 months and if i dont buy the new n7 i wont have a tablet to keep me busy for the 4 hour flights -_-

then if the new mini is not released by september i will be having to carry my macbook to class every day. whats holding me back is the mini beating the new nexus 7 therefore making my purchase now feel rushed . if i wait and the mini is not as good as the nexus 7 (unlikely) i will have wasted all the time i could of been using this tablet . lol

/firstworldproblems

Buy a an Apple refurbished 16GB iPab mini now. When the iPad mini 2 is released, sell the 1st and buy the 2.
 

cdmoore74

macrumors 68020
Jun 24, 2010
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I just picked up a Nexus 7 from Best Buy. And I currently own the mini. I can tell you the Nexus runs circles around the mini. Apple better up their game with the next mini. A 1024x768 resolution Mini 2 would be a disaster.

I can see Apple releasing the same 1024x768 display for the mini only because they don't want to cannibalize the original iPad even more. But another part of me says that Apple knows that it would be tablet suicide not to put a retina display in the next mini.
I believe that Apple should have never come out with the mini in the first place and just concentrate on making the 9.7" iPad better. Their going to look like fools if they don't upgrade the display or if they do upgrade the display sales of the 9.7" iPad will suffer even more. Maybe the only course of action is to charge even higher like $399 for the retina mini, keep the current one on the market for $329 and have the full size at $499. This sounds more reasonable.

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Buy a an Apple refurbished 16GB iPab mini now. When the iPad mini 2 is released, sell the 1st and buy the 2.

If you act quick you can get a Nexus 7 (2013) for $200 with staples coupon.

http://www.droid-life.com/2013/07/2...exus-7-through-staples-with-this-coupon-code/
 

joshwithachance

macrumors 68020
Dec 11, 2009
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I can see Apple releasing the same 1024x768 display for the mini only because they don't want to cannibalize the original iPad even more. But another part of me says that Apple knows that it would be tablet suicide not to put a retina display in the next mini.
I believe that Apple should have never come out with the mini in the first place and just concentrate on making the 9.7" iPad better. Their going to look like fools if they don't upgrade the display or if they do upgrade the display sales of the 9.7" iPad will suffer even more. Maybe the only course of action is to charge even higher like $399 for the retina mini, keep the current one on the market for $329 and have the full size at $499. This sounds more reasonable.

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If you act quick you can get a Nexus 7 (2013) for $200 with staples coupon.

http://www.droid-life.com/2013/07/2...exus-7-through-staples-with-this-coupon-code/

It's been out of stock on Staples basically since the moment it went up. *sigh*
 

cdmoore74

macrumors 68020
Jun 24, 2010
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It's been out of stock on Staples basically since the moment it went up. *sigh*

That coupon is in store only. Brick and motar started selling before the official launch. If I did not pick up my Nexus 7 during lunch from Bestbuy I would have driven to staples instead. I was too eager to get one when I found out so that I can have the weekend to play with it. Last year it cost me $250 plus shipping and tax to order it from the play store. This year it's an even better bargain. Even if it was priced at $329 it would still be a pick over the iPad mini.
I think we can all agree that Apple needs to bring it for the next Mini. This is what competition is all about.

Edited: 3 out of 4 staples in my area still show physical stock.
 

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Southernboyj

macrumors 68000
Mar 8, 2012
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Mobile, AL
No one on this site is going to recommend you to buy a Nexus 7 tablet.

The iPad 5 is likely going to be released in September. There may or may not be an updated mini, as well, but no one knows for sure if it will include a retina display. Most seem to think that it will receive a retina display next year..

I like the Nexus 7.
 

iosuser

macrumors 65816
Mar 12, 2012
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I bought one earlier today at Staples before they excluded the new Nexus 7 from the $30 off coupon. Pretty impressive for $229 (or $199 if you got in on the Staples coupon deal). It is buttery smooth in all UI operations. The 2GB of RAM is great - I have yet to see it reload an app or a browser tab which happens far too often on the ipad mini, and even the iPad 4 it happens more often than to my liking. The screen is very nice, not quite iPad 4 nice but reading text is much more enjoyable than the Mini. Watching Netflix though honestly it doesn't look any better than the Mini. Oh and having stereo speakers, with the speakers on the left and right edges when held in landscape, makes for a much nicer experience, though it still can't compare to the speakers on the HTC One phone.

My only gripe with the Nexus 7 is when clicking a link in the web browser is not nearly as responsive or accurate as the iPad. Sometimes clicks don't register, other times it looks like it registered but doesn't do anything, other times it clicks something else. On the iPad, even touching the smallest screen element like pages on a forum thread, it is responsive and accurate.

If I was shopping now, I'd definitely go for the new Nexus 7 over the Mini.
 

tensiondeadache

macrumors regular
Sep 18, 2012
158
3
Southern California
I can't decide either. Right now I have a 2011 MBP and a Samsung GS4, with no tablet (I've owned the N7, iPad mini, and the first three iPads). The video editing ability of the iPad make me want it, but the price of the new N7 is tempting. Having a 5 inch Android phone kind of makes a 7 inch Android tablet seem unnecessary, so it could be that the full size iPad 5 is my next tablet-but the size of that seems so outdated. Like I said, I can't decide!
 

Buckster

macrumors newbie
Sep 22, 2012
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I was very impressed with the anandtech "review" of the Nexus 7 2013 this morning - interesting comparison to the Ipad Mini

as an Iphone 4 user and with an Ipad 3 in the house (for kids and wife) - a Ipad Mini would be tempting, but I've always been put off when I've tried one in the shops by the display

if the new Nexus 7 screen is good as it is being reviewed as - do you think a refreshed Mini with more grunt would be good enough to be competitive ? Whilst I wouldn't necessarily expect a new Ipad Mini to be faster in benchmarks than the new Nexus 7 (my Iphone 4 still feels no slouch - hats off to IOS) - for the extra money I would expect the screen to be better than the cheaper Nexus 7 ?

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7176/nexus-7-2013-mini-review/2

time will tell I guess :)
 

irDigital0l

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Dec 7, 2010
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if the new Nexus 7 screen is good as it is being reviewed as - do you think a refreshed Mini with more grunt would be good enough to be competitive ? Whilst I wouldn't necessarily expect a new Ipad Mini to be faster in benchmarks than the new Nexus 7 (my Iphone 4 still feels no slouch - hats off to IOS) - for the extra money I would expect the screen to be better than the cheaper Nexus 7 ?

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7176/nexus-7-2013-mini-review/2

time will tell I guess :)

That's if Apple can even get the screen to go Retina. Rumors are that new update iPad mini with no Retina coming out 2013 and one with Retina coming out 2014.

They could repeat history because the iPad didn't get Retina until the 3rd generation.
 

mhdena

macrumors 6502a
Sep 16, 2009
600
175
It seems right now Nexus7 has it over the mini, from most (all) neutral reviewers.

I have an imac, macbook, iphone, ipad, 2 apple tvs, but this Nexus 7 looks to be my next buy, maybe this weekend at Staples, ($30 off sale ends 28th)

I'm very happy with gmail and google, I don't see any drawbacks whatsoever.

Apple has fallen behind in this tablet race.

They know the retina mini will kill the big ipad, plus the price isn't helping.
 

Brittany246

macrumors 6502a
Apr 21, 2013
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I wouldn't get an android tablet because of the serious lack of tablet apps that actually take advantage of the larger screen. If you don't care that your tablet will mostly be running overgrown phone apps, then get it. For me it's pretty much a deal breaker. Unfortunately I didn't realize I would even care about that until I bought the first gen nexus 7 last summer.
 

cdmoore74

macrumors 68020
Jun 24, 2010
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I wouldn't get an android tablet because of the serious lack of tablet apps that actually take advantage of the larger screen. If you don't care that your tablet will mostly be running overgrown phone apps, then get it. For me it's pretty much a deal breaker. Unfortunately I didn't realize I would even care about that until I bought the first gen nexus 7 last summer.

The negativity towards the lack of tablet apps is overblown on a tablet this small. On tablets 10" I can understand but phones are starting to hit the 6" to 6.5" mark. And because 1080p large screen phones are becoming the standard it's only a matter of time that Android apps have to evolve anyway with or without tablets. And if Google can do 2 apps on screen at the same time (Samsungs multi-window) it will not matter anymore. Playing a movie and browsing the Internet at the same time beats 1 tablet app.
Apple and their followers are underestimating the competition. I would not be surprised if Windows takes the high end tablet market when OEM's figure out how to put decent hardware at a cheap cost running full windows 8. They just need better displays and faster cpu's. Apple can't keep saying that they have tablet optimized apps for long.
 

Brittany246

macrumors 6502a
Apr 21, 2013
791
0
The negativity towards the lack of tablet apps is overblown on a tablet this small. On tablets 10" I can understand but phones are starting to hit the 6" to 6.5" mark. And because 1080p large screen phones are becoming the standard it's only a matter of time that Android apps have to evolve anyway with or without tablets. And if Google can do 2 apps on screen at the same time (Samsungs multi-window) it will not matter anymore. Playing a movie and browsing the Internet at the same time beats 1 tablet app.
Apple and their followers are underestimating the competition. I would not be surprised if Windows takes the high end tablet market when OEM's figure out how to put decent hardware at a cheap cost running full windows 8. They just need better displays and faster cpu's. Apple can't keep saying that they have tablet optimized apps for long.

That's your opinion. Some people might actually care, and I'm just putting that out there. If I wanted to run only phone apps I'd get a phone. After my younger brother bought the iPad Mini I finally realize what the hell I was missing as far as apps. They look so much better on an iPad. I would have waited a few months and gotten an iPad if I knew how crappy my n7 would have turned out. I'm not underestimating anything.
 

narutoninjakid

macrumors 6502
Dec 6, 2012
302
0
New Jersey
For me it's apples ecosystem this is the reason even though I have a galaxy note 2 I still want to buy an iPod touch 5th generation and an iPad. (lol just sold my ipad 4 to get the 5th when it comes out :D) I can log on to the App Store any day and go to top apps and download a decent game or app that runs extremely well. On Android they get the best selling games and apps from iOS but they don't really have an abundance of quality apps like Apple does. Not to say I'm bashing Android I love it and I love my samsung galaxy note 2 but there is some improvement to be had if Android really wants to gain some of apples customers in terms of apps anyway.

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That's your opinion. Some people might actually care, and I'm just putting that out there. If I wanted to run only phone apps I'd get a phone. After my younger brother bought the iPad Mini I finally realize what the hell I was missing as far as apps. They look so much better on an iPad. I would have waited a few months and gotten an iPad if I knew how crappy my n7 would have turned out. I'm not underestimating anything.

I'm the kind of consumer once you wrong me I'm done with you for a good while if not forever . I bought an LG phone and it was a horrible experience even today I do not purchase any of their phones & I do not plan to in the future. So one wrong experience can really mess it up in the long run and you also wont recommend that product. So I can understand your point. One thing that blew me away was the difference in apps. For example go to the Google Play store and look at the eBay app and then go to the app store and look at the eBay app they look totally different and personally the iOS app is way better. So even big company's put less effort into their apps on Android it really bothers me sometimes.
 
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Plutonius

macrumors G3
Feb 22, 2003
9,225
8,881
New Hampshire, USA
I don't get the Apple Fanboy VS Apple Hater argument. I LOVE certain products from Apple, and prefer Android/Win elsewhere... Only a Sith deals in absolutes!

I don't get how someone can definitely say one or the other without actually using one let alone seeing one in person. Tech reviews are nice but none of them could be considered neutral. Buy the one you want but please at least try out the different choices.
 

LostAggie

macrumors 6502a
Aug 15, 2011
510
163
Big Apple fan here...

But I was tired of waiting for ipad mini 2. This 7 is really nice for the price.

That said I will probably consider the mini when it gets released if they improve the resolution and put a current Gen processor.

The made in US moto X is calling me though. I am big on wanting to support US industry if possible.
 

maxosx

macrumors 68020
Dec 13, 2012
2,385
1
Southern California
I don't get how someone can definitely say one or the other without actually using one let alone seeing one in person. Tech reviews are nice but none of them could be considered neutral. Buy the one you want but please at least try out the different choices.

Finally! The voice of reason, common sense and intellect.

I use _both_ iOS and Android devices. It's fun, it's educational, it's different, and it's never boring.

Which is the best? Neither!

At the end of the day... there's positively no way to know until you have invested the time and money to try both, and decide for yourself. Relying on second or third hand reports from various individuals, bloggers, reviewers etc is setting yourself up for disappointment.

These are two top tier platforms, each of which has it's strengths. It's up to you to decide based on first hand personal experience.
 

maxosx

macrumors 68020
Dec 13, 2012
2,385
1
Southern California
My only gripe with the Nexus 7 is when clicking a link in the web browser is not nearly as responsive or accurate as the iPad.

As an iPad mini and Nexus 7, and 7.2 owner, let me address this.

It's an interesting discovery that only exists in it's present configuration with Android 4.3 running in it's pure unadulterated form on the Nexus 7.2.

When using the tablet I too notice a slight delay that occurs a bit randomly. At times it's responsive, other times there's a slight delay. In addition there are times when the "target touch point" does not register exactly where one touches the screen. That inaccuracy is far less frequent than the times when there's a slight delay.

How did I notice this? And more importantly what made it stand out noticeably?

Well I also have a new Android 4.2.2 powered Galaxy S4. The much maligned TouchWiz, has been greatly improved. When using my S4, I experience touch target accuracy every bit, if not better than I do with my iPad mini or my iPad 4. And I'm not being critical of Apple, as they have had the finest touch response for years. I'm simply sharing my real world experience.

The Galaxy S4 in it's out of the box state... is every bit as good. Every bit as fast and accurate, it's truly outstanding. I only picked up my Nexus 7.2 Friday night, and yet the first thing I experienced, but initially didn't think too much of was this slight difference in performance of the touch screen.

It's an interesting phenomenon that perhaps Google will address if enough people report it.
 

ManicMarc

macrumors 6502
Jul 1, 2012
487
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To be honest it's more about whether you prefer iOS or Android, the hardware is secondary for me at least.
 

bitfidelity

macrumors member
Jul 2, 2012
75
0
My Nexus 7 has obvious backlight bleed. I'm sick of ASUS's crap QA.

The aspect ratio of your typical Android tablet is also ridiculous. I can't wait for the retina Mini.
 
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