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Can anyone survive with only apps from Mac App Store?

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MacGizmo said:
Incidentally, as someone stated earlier, you can still turn on the "Allow apps downloaded from: Anywhere" option.

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I'm pretty sure it automatically turns itself off after a certain period of time.
oliver.s said:
"tie all of our products together, so we further lock customers into our ecosystem" is the point, obviously.

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No, it's for the same reason that you can only install iOS/iPadOS applications from the App Store.
ArkSingularity said:
These are almost always free and they are rarely in the app store.
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Unless it's the Microsoft Store, the Epic Games Store, Steam, or the Snap Store?
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1544728548241448960
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/vtxr9r/_/ifb7hgk
LIVEFRMNYC said:
DaVinci Resolve
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That's available in the Mac App Store.
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‎DaVinci Resolve

‎DaVinci Resolve Studio 19 Hollywood’s most powerful tools for professional editing, color correction, audio post and visual effects! DaVinci Resolve Studio 19 is the world’s only solution that combines professional 8K editing, color correction, visual effects and audio post production all in...
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LIVEFRMNYC said:
Libre Office
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That's available through NeoOffice (which is an application in the Mac App Store).
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‎NeoOffice

‎NeoOffice is an office suite for macOS that is based on old versions of OpenOffice and LibreOffice. With NeoOffice, you can view, edit, and save old OpenOffice and LibreOffice documents. Note: if you need to view, edit, and save newer LibreOffice or Microsoft Office documents, you may want to...
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JayAgostino said:
I'm pretty sure it automatically turns itself off after a certain period of time.

No, it's for the same reason that you can only install iOS/iPadOS applications from the App Store.

Unless it's the Microsoft Store, the Epic Games Store, Steam, or the Snap Store?
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1544728548241448960
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/vtxr9r/_/ifb7hgk
That's available in the Mac App Store.
apps.apple.com

‎DaVinci Resolve

‎DaVinci Resolve Studio 19 Hollywood’s most powerful tools for professional editing, color correction, audio post and visual effects! DaVinci Resolve Studio 19 is the world’s only solution that combines professional 8K editing, color correction, visual effects and audio post production all in...
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That's available through NeoOffice (which is an application in the Mac App Store).
apps.apple.com

‎NeoOffice

‎NeoOffice is an office suite for macOS that is based on old versions of OpenOffice and LibreOffice. With NeoOffice, you can view, edit, and save old OpenOffice and LibreOffice documents. Note: if you need to view, edit, and save newer LibreOffice or Microsoft Office documents, you may want to...
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I'm not entirely certain I understand your point. Yes, there are SOME open source applications on some app stores. We aren't talking about the Steam store, nor are we talking about the Snap store or the Microsoft store. The fact is that there are many applications for Mac OS that aren't on the app store, both paid and open source apps. And I'm not one for shaming developers for where they decide to publish their applications (there's a 30% commission for publishing on the App Store, so I honestly don't blame developers who choose to publish apps elsewhere.)

We could make Macs into an ecosystem similar to iPads or iPhones if we wanted. I would be running for the hills faster than a New York second if they did this, as would much of the developer community that would be crippled by this. Ask any developer who has ever used Homebrew, they will tell you the same.
 
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ArkSingularity said:
I'm not entirely certain I understand your point. Yes, there are SOME open source applications on some app stores. We aren't talking about the Steam store, nor are we talking about the Snap store or the Microsoft store. The fact is that there are many applications for Mac OS that aren't on the app store, both paid and open source apps. And I'm not one for shaming developers for where they decide to publish their applications (there's a 30% commission for publishing on the App Store, so I honestly don't blame developers who choose to publish apps elsewhere.)
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Sorry, I just thought I'd bring it up.
 
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For a simple "couch" laptop, absolutely.

For my main machine, I do need a few more specific apps like Plex, Handbrake, SnagIt, iZotope RX9. But outside of those 4, I can stick with only App Store stuff. I actually prefer it. No need to 'find a key' to get my app authorized. I can just go down my app purchase history and quickly download just what I need when setting a new machine up from scratch.
 
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fivenotrump said:
Libre Office
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That's available through NeoOffice (which is an application in the Mac App Store).
apps.apple.com

‎NeoOffice

‎NeoOffice is an office suite for macOS that is based on old versions of OpenOffice and LibreOffice. With NeoOffice, you can view, edit, and save old OpenOffice and LibreOffice documents. Note: if you need to view, edit, and save newer LibreOffice or Microsoft Office documents, you may want to...
apps.apple.com
 
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JayAgostino said:
That's available through NeoOffice (which is an application in the Mac App Store).
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/neooffice/id639210716
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1.“NeoOffice 2022.1 Professional Edition is still based on LibreOffice 4.4”
https://github.com/neooffice/NeoOffice/releases/tag/NeoOffice-2022_1

Now LibreOffice 7.2.7 / 7.3.4 https://www.libreoffice.org/download/download/

2. “Mac App Store users: some features are not available in the Mac App Store version in order to comply with Apple's Mac App Store security requirements”
Notes https://github.com/neooffice/NeoOffice

3. Up until May 2022, NeoOffice has been at least 5 USD in the AppStore, LibreOffice has always been free. https://appsliced.co/app?n=neooffice&l=list

4. Collabora Office is the official LibreOffice in the AppStore
https://apps.apple.com/app/collabora-office/id918120011
https://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-in-business/
 
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FridgeToaster said:
Just wondering if anyone can survive with only apps from the Mac App Store. I personally don't see a point why there is such a setting.
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No.

Edited to add, Alfred, Firefox, NetNewsWire, LibreOffice, Wordpress, Cyberduck, VSCode, Aldente, Devonthink, Shottr, Dropbox, Nextcloud are just the few that I have from outside the Mac App Store. :D :D :D
 
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eltoslightfoot said:
Alfred
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I'm pretty sure that actually is available in the Mac App Store.
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‎Alfred

‎Alfred is a keyboard-driven productivity application, helping you launch apps and search your local computer as well as the web with great speed. * Winner of Macworld's 2012 Editor's Choice Awards * TUAW's Best Mac Utility of 2011 * Mac AppStorm's Top Mac Apps 2011 * Leo Laporte's MacBreak...
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eltoslightfoot said:
LibreOffice
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That's available through NeoOffice (which is an application in the Mac App Store).
apps.apple.com

‎NeoOffice

‎NeoOffice is an office suite for macOS that is based on old versions of OpenOffice and LibreOffice. With NeoOffice, you can view, edit, and save old OpenOffice and LibreOffice documents. Note: if you need to view, edit, and save newer LibreOffice or Microsoft Office documents, you may want to...
apps.apple.com
 
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JayAgostino said:
I'm pretty sure that actually is available in the Mac App Store.
apps.apple.com

‎Alfred

‎Alfred is a keyboard-driven productivity application, helping you launch apps and search your local computer as well as the web with great speed. * Winner of Macworld's 2012 Editor's Choice Awards * TUAW's Best Mac Utility of 2011 * Mac AppStorm's Top Mac Apps 2011 * Leo Laporte's MacBreak...
apps.apple.com

That's available through NeoOffice (which is an application in the Mac App Store).
apps.apple.com

‎NeoOffice

‎NeoOffice is an office suite for macOS that is based on old versions of OpenOffice and LibreOffice. With NeoOffice, you can view, edit, and save old OpenOffice and LibreOffice documents. Note: if you need to view, edit, and save newer LibreOffice or Microsoft Office documents, you may want to...
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NeoOffice is debatable is a project by comparison to Libreoffice. Last I checked it was backed by one developer on an old version? I'll give you Alfred. LOL. I have used it for so long that I didn't even know they added it...

Edited to add, so we are good on all the other apps I listed. Guess I won't be going App Store only anytime soon. :)
 
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eltoslightfoot said:
NeoOffice is debatable is a project by comparison to Libreoffice. Last I checked it was backed by one developer on an old version?
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What about Collabora Office?
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‎Collabora Office

‎Collabora Office is an enterprise-ready office suite based on LibreOffice technology which makes up the world’s most popular open-source office productivity suite. Backed by a global community of developers, testers, localization specialists and a professional partners network, Collabora Office...
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JayAgostino said:
Well, at least it's free now!

Okay, that definitely looks better. Nice find!
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Let me tell you a story to understand the main problem with the App Store.
In 2015, Collabora launched LibreOffice “Fresh” into the App Store as LibreOffice Vanilla. Its price varied and it was considered more of a donation towards the development. At one point it was free and I downloaded it out of curiosity, as I use the non-App Store LibreOffice stable version daily. At some other point, Collabora decided to remove LibreOffice Vanilla from the App Store. Now, I don’t care about it and the moral is not about this particular app. But the people who paid for it, or for any such app for that matter, might want to be able to download it again. They can’t. And that’s the main problem with the App Store, you pay for nothing, as the developer or Apple can remove the app at any point.
So, break the chains of the App Store and enjoy software from anywhere :)
https://www.collaboraoffice.com/community-en/libreoffice-vanilla-mac-app-store/
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/libreoffice-vanilla/id921923693
 
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bogdanw said:
Let me tell you a story to understand the main problem with the App Store.
In 2015, Collabora launched LibreOffice “Fresh” into the App Store as LibreOffice Vanilla. Its price varied and it was considered more of a donation towards the development. At one point it was free and I downloaded it out of curiosity, as I use the non-App Store LibreOffice stable version daily. At some other point, Collabora decided to remove LibreOffice Vanilla from the App Store. Now, I don’t care about it and the moral is not about this particular app. But the people who paid for it, or for any such app for that matter, might want to be able to download it again. They can’t. And that’s the main problem with the App Store, you pay for nothing, as the developer or Apple can remove the app at any point.
So, break the chains of the App Store and enjoy software from anywhere :)
https://www.collaboraoffice.com/community-en/libreoffice-vanilla-mac-app-store/
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/libreoffice-vanilla/id921923693
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Wow! Really? I remember it being available in the Mac App Store just a couple of months ago. I guess there weren’t many people purchasing it.

Also, I’m pretty sure you can reinstall any macOS applications you’ve purchased from the Mac App Store.

Install and uninstall purchases from the App Store on Mac

In the App Store on your Mac, install and reinstall apps that you purchased with your Apple Account.
support.apple.com
 
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MS Office and all its apps (OneNote, OneDrive, Outlook) are all available in the App store, so those are covered.
The biggest problem is Google. It's highly annoying that Google doesn't make their apps available on the app store (and instead using their own resource hog updating daemon for their apps). Google is notorious in this. They also refused to make their apps available on Windows Phone, imo leading the OS to its demise (who wanted a platform without Youtube app?).

VLC is another app I wish available in the app store. They made it available on Microsoft Store and iOS app store, so I don't understand why they won't do it for MacOS app store.

In short, for me personally, not yet. But I can see many who can survive fine.
 
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ian87w said:
MS Office and all its apps (OneNote, OneDrive, Outlook) are all available in the App store, so those are covered.
The biggest problem is Google. It's highly annoying that Google doesn't make their apps available on the app store (and instead using their own resource hog updating daemon for their apps). Google is notorious in this. They also refused to make their apps available on Windows Phone, imo leading the OS to its demise (who wanted a platform without Youtube app?).

VLC is another app I wish available in the app store. They made it available on Microsoft Store and iOS app store, so I don't understand why they won't do it for MacOS app store.

In short, for me personally, not yet. But I can see many who can survive fine.
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In 2022, Google still doesn’t put its applications in the Microsoft Store. I think they might hold a grudge against Microsoft.

For a brief period of time, Windows Phone did have an official YouTube application.

As for VLC, I assume they have a legitimate reason as to why they can’t put their application in the Mac App Store. The Microsoft Store isn’t strict whatsoever.
 
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Look it isn't like the App Store is a problem. It just isn't the only solution. I love it for my Affinity apps, Better Snap Tool, Omnifocus, etc., just not the only thing. Scrivener and Scapple are both available, but I prefer direct from Literature and Latte as I can get upgrade pricing, faster updates, less issues, etc.,

Upgrade pricing is a HUGE reason not to use it though.
 
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JayAgostino said:
Wouldn’t updating VIA the Mac App Store be just as fast (if not faster)?

Also, what does “less issues” mean? Could you elaborate?
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It has to do with Apple's approval process. They can insert themselves into the process and complicate a simple update. It has happened to nearly every developer. Just search for it in their support forums. That's just one for instance.

So, Lit and Latte can just put their update on their website, but they have to wait for Apple to approve even minor updates for the App Store.
 
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