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Canalsys reports Apple ships more PCs than HP

Rodimus Prime

Rodimus Prime

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*LTD* said:
Reality has a way of turning out quite "inaccurate."

Your personal definitions of "PC", "tablet", etc., are irrelevant to the direction in which the market is headed.

Forward your objections to Canalys and DisplaySearch, and then in good time to IDC, Gartner, etc. And then, in time, take a stand against the entire industry, that has turned your definitions inside-out. But by that time you will have probably accepted it.
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Notice something. Only some of the biggest Apple fans seem to agree with lumping the iPad in with a PC sells. The general consumers still consider them separate products.

The iPad is a great supplemental device but is still a long ways from a stand alone. The first product that I see in the future that is going to be able to truly bridge the gap is Windows 8 and even then it will be limited to only certain products that truly can jump between the two sides.
In terms of looking at tablet OS as a PC category iOS is the farthest from it and by far the worse of the desktop replacement OS's. Android Honeycomb and ICS are by far better replacements for standard PC OS. iOS well sucks in that department.
 
boss.king

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maflynn said:
The problem is this fact; with an iPad, you can do almost as much on that, as you can on a computer.

Write a letter, work on a spreadsheet, play a game, surf the net. You can create and consume content on an iPad. While some of those functions don't lend themselves to an iPad its possible and people are in fact using iPads in place of computers.

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If Microsoft and hardware manufacturers were successful in the late 90s to create a tablet would there be the same argument that its not a computer?

MS is now working on windows 8 that is set to run on a desktop and a tablet, so will those tablets not be considered computers? Yeah I'm using an unreleased product but it makes my point
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But I could do that on my iPhone and my Sony Ericsson phones before that. Are they not then computers too? Why is the line drawn at the iPad? I can do those things on my PS3 and my DS, those should then also be computers. If we count on then its only fair to count the others.
 
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firewood

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roadbloc said:
Including the iPad when it suits is obvious bias.
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The proper bias is to report the way a market category is reshaping. Even if it appears to be reshaping too fast for those people with rigid minds, and business with obsolescent business plans.

I've seen many computer companies cease to exist, as they continued to build great X, as the market moved on to buying Y for similar use.

If you're expanding the range of the term 'pc' from just Laptops and Desktops to Tablets as well, you need to include Game Consoles, Smartphones and SmartTVs...
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Personally, I do include Smartphones and Palmtops as personal computers, as I saw many people and businesses use them for personal computing tasks (including email, spreadsheets and writing small programs) instead of buying an additional PC. Nobody I know, and certainly no business I been in, purposely purchased a game console to use for PC tasks (other than for gaming); they only used them for other things because they already had one. SmartTVs, yet to be seen what people will buy them and use them for.

In the U.S., iPads are already reported by Apple to be cannibalizing some laptop sales. There are other parts of the world where people have already started buying smartphones instead of laptops or PCs for their computing and computer communication needs.
 
*LTD*

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Rodimus Prime said:
Of the tablet OS out there iOS is by far the farthest removed from doing Desktop laptop work.
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It's actually the only one suitable for it. The others that were/are meant for "desktop/laptop work" (whatever those ones were) have failed miserably.
 
Rodimus Prime

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*LTD* said:
It's actually the only one suitable for it. The others that were/are meant for "desktop/laptop work" (whatever those ones were) have failed miserably.
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No I am comparing it directly to WebOS, Honeycomb and Windows 8. Of the UI of them the iPad is the worse for being in that category. Windows 8 is the first OS I see really bridging the gap. WebOS problems was not the OS but the fact Palm lack the money and HP just did jack crap with it and did not even try.

Simple fact is the people who are screaming about the iPad belong in the PC category are people who are generally very bias for Apple (for example you *LTD*) that same group tends to spread links around praising Apple every chance they get. This also means more eyeballs so they have no problem doing crap reports pushing Apple to the top with bogus numbers. If it was any other company that had sells like that you can bet they would not be doing this lump in because they do not have the worshiping crowd.
 
roadbloc

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*LTD* said:
Reality has a way of turning out quite "inaccurate."

Your personal definitions of "PC", "tablet", etc., are irrelevant to the direction in which the market is headed.
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Care to define PC for me then so I know? Because before this whole Post-PC business a PC to me was a laptop or desktop. Now these 'Post-PC' products can do what a PC can do, I consider my iPhone, Laptop, Xbox, Kindle, Desktop and Android Tablet all to be PCs as they can all do what a PC can do, just with added emphasis on their original function.

Lets here the industry standard definition. Which one of my devices is not a PC?
 
thekev

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Bleck I hate these reports. I'm surprised no one commented on the term "ships". In other threads it has been mentioned that this is a poor way to quantify sales. As for the ipad, it still isn't a standalone machine or a complete PC replacement. It may be one day, but I don't yet see people owning an ipad as their sole computing device. Note that you also wouldn't count the iphone in PC shipments.
 
*LTD*

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roadbloc said:
So basically it's down to interpretation. Which differs from person to person.
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From person to person it's anecdotal. But when it represents majority consumer opinion and reflects the industry's positioning moving forward, it becomes the new reality. It's taking shape as we're typing back and forth.

Today, it appears to many as a novelty to include the iPad. Tomorrow, it's the standard. Today, Canalys and DisplaySearch. Tomorrow, Gartner and IDC. Soon, all the pundits and analysts . . . it's all in the mail.

Your real issue is not with the fanciful nature of these new definitions, but rather, with what they portend.
 
Rodimus Prime

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*LTD* said:
From person to person it's anecdotal. But when it represents majority consumer opinion and reflects the industry's positioning moving forward, it becomes the new reality. It's taking shape as we're typing back and forth.
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but a majority of the consumer opinion is not that (not counting Apple cheerleaders). The Industry positioning as I pointed out before is about headlines and eyeballs and Apple in the headlines gets lot of eyeballs. Ranking Apple number 1 gets lots of eyeballs. This was about that and not about the facts in the case.

The tablets are have no real effect on laptops and desktops. Yes it was eatting into netbooks but that were there was over lap. Netbooks were weak to call them PC but calling things like the iPad, kindle fire and Android Tablets computers is a joke.
 
belvdr

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*LTD* said:
I'm only stating the obvious.
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How exactly is the future obvious? I'm not referring to tomorrow or next week, but the next several years.

Nobody with any common sense or credibility would tell you for certain what is going to happen several years down the road.
 
Rodimus Prime

Rodimus Prime

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*LTD* said:
It will be.

Enjoy the ride.

(you won't, but try anyway.)
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key words there. Yes in the future the lines are going to get more blurred but the game is still pretty big. The iPad is no were close to that. It not set up to handle PC work. The iPad is only hurting netbook sells but that does not mean it should be included in PC sells because by the same argument Smart phones and things like the iPod touch are hurting iPad sells. And hurting is in the fact they are buying one of those devices over an iPad when given the choice between the two as they do have a lot of overlap in there uses.

iOS is by far the weakest OS to even use as an argument for a PC replacement. Great mobile OS but sorry at the same time it also to weak to make it count as a PC.
 
rdowns

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Rodimus Prime said:
key words there. Yes in the future the lines are going to get more blurred but the game is still pretty big. The iPad is no were close to that. It not set up to handle PC work. The iPad is only hurting netbook sells but that does not mean it should be included in PC sells because by the same argument Smart phones and things like the iPod touch are hurting iPad sells. And hurting is in the fact they are buying one of those devices over an iPad when given the choice between the two as they do have a lot of overlap in there uses.

iOS is by far the weakest OS to even use as an argument for a PC replacement. Great mobile OS but sorry at the same time it also to weak to make it count as a PC.
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iPads do 100% of what a large percentage of people use a PC for and probably 80% for most of the rest. For many, it can easily replace their PC.
 
Rodimus Prime

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rdowns said:
iPads do 100% of what a large percentage of people use a PC for and probably 80% for most of the rest. For many, it can easily replace their PC.
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by that argument so could a smart phone. That is what surf the internet and consume media.
 
*LTD*

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Rodimus Prime said:
by that argument so could a smart phone. That is what surf the internet and consume media.
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Smartphones don't have 10-inch screens.

The intimacy and comfort level the user experiences with a smartphone vs. an iPad is far different.

I know we all like machines, but it doesn't help to think like one. Use a little empathy and abstraction. We're talking about PEOPLE, not specs and technical categories.
 
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