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Like I mentioned earlier, I define “premium” as a combination of high end materials and strong performance. Both matter. That’s why, to me, the 17 Pro Max doesn’t feel as premium as the 15 Pro Max. It uses cheaper materials, and the A19 Pro chip hasn’t improved my productivity or made anything noticeably faster compared to the 15.

If I’m understanding you correctly, you don’t care how a phone feels in the hand because you assume most people will slap an ugly, bulky case on it anyway? That’s wild to me.

I have never used a case on any of my phones but I never even brought up durability. I don’t associate premium with being durable. Glass isn’t exactly tough, but the 15 looks, feels and performs very well, and that’s what makes it feel more premium in my eyes.

You’re okay with a $2 trillion company cutting corners on build quality because they assume we’ll all be using cases? That logic just doesn’t sit right.

The idea that a phone might run “too hot” so it needs a “vapor chamber” AND crappy anodized aluminum from 2012 is fascinating to me lol.

for what it’s worth, I had my air running Google Maps, playing music on 4 hour road trip while snapping photos in between FaceTime calls and it got no where near hot. It’s made of titanium, and “ceramic shield” glass with no vapor chamber cooling it if I’m not mistaken.
That you don't get more out of the new phone compared to the old is a measure of how you use the phone, not of its capabilities.

There is no evidence the company cut corners. There is evidence you and others are trying to make people think that they did.
 
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And that is perfectly valid.

I'm a bit different in that I consider what the phone does ahead of what it looks like, but that's just silly old me.
do you feel that way about the way your car looks? Since it takes you where you need to go then the color, shape, size and aesthetic shouldn’t matter to any one?

How about your wardrobe? Since most shirts cover your back are you ok with paying for unappealing, lesser quality clothing at a higher price?
 
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That you don't get more out of the new phone compared to the old is a measure of how you use the phone, not of its capabilities.

There is no evidence the company cut corners. There is evidence you and others are trying to make people think that they did.
The evidence lies in the fact that technology should advance not move backwards. What’s so new or different about the internals of the 17 pro from the 16? Were titanium iPhones recalled? Did any one ever have any actual issues with their titanium iPhones overheating? lol @ “there is no evidence”
The evidence is in the fact that you went from a high quality material to a low quality material for the sake of profit margins.

The mental gymnastics is fascinating.
 
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The evidence lies in the fact that technology should advance not move backwards. What’s so new or different about the internals of the 17 pro from the 16? Were titanium iPhones recalled? Did any one ever have any actual issues with their titanium iPhones overheating? lol @ “there is no evidence”
The evidence is in the fact that you went from a high quality material to a low quality material for the sake of profit margins.

The mental gymnastics is fascinating.
It now has a vapour chamber. I've seen video of this examined using a thermal camera. It works.

This is the first time Apple has used one in its products. They have kept prices quite stable for years. Even with the idiotic tariffs now in place. You dislike the material used and seem to be grasping at straws to try and sell it.
 
Apple hasn't marketed the phone as invincible. iPhone Pro models will suffer damage just like any other iPhone model, or other manufacturers.

The rings from the heat of MagSafe is not new. I remember seeing lots of pics from members here who experienced it first hand. I am not sure why people here think that a very hot magnetic charging device won't suffer discoloration. After seeing story after story about it, I made a point to stick to wired charging.

In my opinion, Apple should warn people that MagSafe charging can cause permanent marks on the phone.
Hmm. I was using mostly MagSafe charging for the better part of the year on my black 16Pro directly. I don't see a single scratch from doing that. The frosted glass on those earlier phones feels invincible (to visible scratching).
 
Not sure why you put a laugh reaction, the 17 Pros do seem more susceptible to scratching. "Feeling premium" certainly isn't what I was referring to.

I baby my iPhones so scratching isn’t a worry of mine. The thread is about the Pros ‘feeling cheap’ and I was simply stating my opinion that my Pro does not feel cheap.
 
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I baby my iPhones so scratching isn’t a worry of mine. The thread is about the Pros ‘feeling cheap’ and I was simply stating my opinion that my Pro does not feel cheap.
In my opinion it has the bubbly look of an iPhone 5c and feels like an iPhone 6 🤷‍♂️

I might swap my Air because the single lens hasn’t been impressing me these last 2 days but I don’t know if I can give up how premium it feels in comparison to the 17 pro…lol
 
I baby my iPhones so scratching isn’t a worry of mine. The thread is about the Pros ‘feeling cheap’ and I was simply stating my opinion that my Pro does not feel cheap.
I never baby it either and I don't use any cases. But I'm still very confused about those reports of the frosted glass being scratched. Something must have gone wrong with this new 'Ceramic Shield 2', cause I can't even imagine what I would have to do to leave visible marks on the backside (frosted glass on 16Pro) of my phone. Break it - sure, but how the heck do you visibly scratch it apart from that tiny glossy portion with an Apple logo?
 
do you feel that way about the way your car looks? Since it takes you where you need to go then the color, shape, size and aesthetic shouldn’t matter to any one?

How about your wardrobe? Since most shirts cover your back are you ok with paying for unappealing, lesser quality clothing at a higher price?
Sure, I care about my car. I also prefer to base my arguments on factual information.
 
My titanium 16 Pro runs perfectly fine. So no, you bringing up heat makes no sense, as it has nothing to do with the cheap feeling of the 17 Pro.
Ironically enough, it doesn't appear like their vapour chamber is doing a ton for A19Pro cooling either. It is predominantly attached to and cooling the battery rather than the chip. We also aren't really seeing performance gains that would be beyond what we were seeing in prior years with no big design changes
 
Sure, I care about my car. I also prefer to base my arguments on factual information.

lol the facts are that a “vapor chamber” should be sufficient enough to mitigate any potential heating issues that these titanium iPhones never really had to begin with. But you watched a commercial and your favorite tech influencer told you they NEEDED to switch to aluminum so here we are. It’s got nothing to do with margins.

Sounds as ridiculous as me trying to justify the 1 lens in an Air.
 
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I see. Now the conspiracy theory you are proposing is that Apple put a vapour chamber for the first time in its flagship phones in order to use inferior materials in the outside design.

Got it.
You sound like someone who never questions anything and does precisely what they’re told. How is this a conspiracy theory? Have you ever run a business before, sir? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
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The worst was the 12 Pro, literally no clue what was better about it apart from 5G and the new design compared to the 11 Pro.
The 12 was the one year where I opted to go with the base model over the pro. My husband is still using my old 12. Trying to convince him to get a base 17.
 
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macbook pro = aluminum
ipad pro = aluminum

i don’t know why iphones can’t be aluminum
It would cost an arm and a leg to make iPad from stainless steel or titanium. It also just doesn't make any sense in that form factor. It's the same reason you don't see cars made from titanium. It only makes sense in applications where weight penalty is not significant or relevant. iPad made from titanium or stainless steel would drop on the ground like a bag of bricks. And you wouldn't call laptop from stainless steel a laptop anymore because it would lose all portability.
 
You sound like someone who never questions anything and does precisely what they’re told. How is this a conspiracy theory? Have you ever run a business before, sir? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I grew up in the 1960s. We questioned a whole lot, if you've sat through a history class or two. As a former human rights investigator among other things, it was my very job to dig deeper into things. Which is why I work with facts, not conjecture developed because of dislike of a phone's appearance.

Every review I've seen so far absolutely loves the performance of the new Pro Max. That does not mean a device has no imperfections. You don't like the look of the phone? That's fine. Buy something that you like.

It is quite probably the best phone in the whole wide world.

By the way, it's ma'am.
 
It would cost an arm and a leg to make iPad from stainless steel or titanium. It also just doesn't make any sense in that form factor. It's the same reason you don't see cars made from titanium. It only makes sense in applications where weight penalty is not significant or relevant. iPad made from titanium or stainless steel would drop on the ground like a bag of bricks. And you wouldn't call laptop from stainless steel a laptop anymore because it would lose all portability.
lol thank you for having some common sense.
 
I grew up in the 1960s. We questioned a whole lot, if you've sat through a history class or two. As a former human rights investigator among other things, it was my very job to dig deeper into things. Which is why I work with facts, not conjecture developed because of dislike of a phone's appearance.

Every review I've seen so far absolutely loves the performance of the new Pro Max. That does not mean a device has no imperfections. You don't like the look of the phone? That's fine. Buy something that you like.

It is quite probably the best phone in the whole wide world.
Do you happen to be from New Hampshire by any chance?
 
I grew up in the 1960s. We questioned a whole lot, if you've sat through a history class or two. As a former human rights investigator among other things, it was my very job to dig deeper into things. Which is why I work with facts, not conjecture developed because of dislike of a phone's appearance.

Every review I've seen so far absolutely loves the performance of the new Pro Max. That does not mean a device has no imperfections. You don't like the look of the phone? That's fine. Buy something that you like.

It is quite probably the best phone in the whole wide world.
I did buy something I like. And I compared it to something I used to like for years. And that’s why we’re having this discussion. The fact that you and many others on here get so offended by iPhone talk is comical. “Every review” is irrelevant to me. Do you think apple sends people their phones under an embargo so they can absolutely chastise them? Or do you think maybe these reviews that come out week 1 mostly exist to have an impact on your purchase?
I’m not sure why you keep bringing up “facts”. What exactly have I said that is not factual?

Going to ask again, have you ever run your own business? Or sold a product? Not your services but a physical product? And have you ever worked in marketing of any kind?
 
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It would cost an arm and a leg to make iPad from stainless steel or titanium. It also just doesn't make any sense in that form factor. It's the same reason you don't see cars made from titanium. It only makes sense in applications where weight penalty is not significant or relevant. iPad made from titanium or stainless steel would drop on the ground like a bag of bricks. And you wouldn't call laptop from stainless steel a laptop anymore because it would lose all portability.
But we saw a vehicle made from stainless steel… lol
 
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