cant decide ios or android

[hallux]

Faster updates than Pixels as of late- that's awesome. If that continues consistently, I'm game to try again

As I noted 2 posts above yours, this is simply due to timing. Samsung is releasing at some point after the 1st of the month, Google releases the Pixel updates on a predictable 1 PM Eastern first Monday of the month. I guess if Samsung fans want that "feather in their cap" to be able to say they were first, go for it, but it doesn't mean Google didn't have Pixel updates ready it just means their scheduled release hasn't happened yet.

Meanwhile - my flagship Samsung Tab S3 that was released JUST 3 years ago hasn't seen an update in over 8 months (installed Sept. 10, security patch date is Aug. 1, 2019), my Pixel phone is at least 6 months from losing monthly patches.

 

[Harthag]

LOL

Hopefully they are better than the re-released boo boo security updates that Google put out early on when they started taking patching and security more seriously.

I don't play games... on phones or elsewhere. It is much more fun and rewarding to trade real $$$ on the stock exchanges.

Faster updates than Pixels as of late- that's awesome. If that continues consistently, I'm game to try again. The quality of apps has improved but still not quite there yet from what I've seen.

Sure hope you don't end up off of a (carrier induced) cliff on unsupported hardware.

I still use my iPhone as my daily driver, work is too important and I need everything to always "just work" re: my office apps and software, which also work with CarPlay and not Android Auto. Far fewer headaches with iOS vs. Android.

While I think the S20+ is a far superior phone overall compared to the 11 Pro Max, it is relegated to entertainment, streaming, browsing web, and some games.

I'm not tied to any carrier, both my iPhone and S20+ are unlocked.

I enjoy playing some games here and there and also enjoy investing. A guy can't do both?

 

[edubfromktown]

I was an AT&T customer for a long time (while work paid for it haha) and now quite happy & unlocked with StraightTalk "unlimited" @ ~$41/month (paid a year in advance). Sure folks can do both (or whatever floats their proverbial boat)- max raw processing horsepower in a handheld device is not a high priority for me so long as it gets the job done reliably with smooth scrolling/moderate plus performance.

The top of the list for a mobile phone in my case is more like:

#1 Taking photos
#2 Cellular and wifi calling, collaboration and texting
#3 A couple handfuls of apps for:
Cycling, financial investment & stock trading; password management (Myki is my weapon of choice), social & "professional" media, ...

 

[slooksterPSV]

Look. I know some users are questioning my opinion but if you do buy an Android phone make sure the brand does updates or has guaranteed updates for so long. Hell get a Pixel or latest Samsung (Galaxy S series).

I spent a lot of money and time upgrading and changing Android phones due to security updates and features. Ran Antimalware scanners cleaning caches and unused apps. It was a nightmare for me. I didn’t want to spend more than $200 on a phone. With my first iPhone I didn’t. It was $150 for the original SE with 64GB storage. Constant updates. Touch ID worked. Everything was seamless. For $200 I was getting Android phones with no security patches, 16GB storage and a mediocre 1GB RAM.

It was a chore for me. Even with higher end Android phones, they don’t get updates as often. Maybe a max of 2 years. 3 if you’re lucky. My sister has an S9+ and she can’t get updates on it. Last update she received was in 2018. Used Samsung app and nothing. All stuff shows as current.

Due to other items I bought a 7, 8+ and now I have my 11. I gave my SE to a friend. My brother has my 7 and my mom an 8+. The 7 still gets updates.

Security is important to me and having a phone I don’t have to maintain is amazing. That’s why I like iOS. Android let me down with the constant fragmentation. New Android brand new device has 7.0 but won’t get 8 or above no security updates either. Why am I paying large prices when the security of my device is like using XP with no antivirus?

That’s my opinion. It’s my experience and I’m happy with iPhone and iOS.

 

[Stevie jobz 2.0]

Look. I know some users are questioning my opinion but if you do buy an Android phone make sure the brand does updates or has guaranteed updates for so long. Hell get a Pixel or latest Samsung (Galaxy S series).

I spent a lot of money and time upgrading and changing Android phones due to security updates and features. Ran Antimalware scanners cleaning caches and unused apps. It was a nightmare for me. I didn’t want to spend more than $200 on a phone. With my first iPhone I didn’t. It was $150 for the original SE with 64GB storage. Constant updates. Touch ID worked. Everything was seamless. For $200 I was getting Android phones with no security patches, 16GB storage and a mediocre 1GB RAM.

It was a chore for me. Even with higher end Android phones, they don’t get updates as often. Maybe a max of 2 years. 3 if you’re lucky. My sister has an S9+ and she can’t get updates on it. Last update she received was in 2018. Used Samsung app and nothing. All stuff shows as current.

Due to other items I bought a 7, 8+ and now I have my 11. I gave my SE to a friend. My brother has my 7 and my mom an 8+. The 7 still gets updates.

Security is important to me and having a phone I don’t have to maintain is amazing. That’s why I like iOS. Android let me down with the constant fragmentation. New Android brand new device has 7.0 but won’t get 8 or above no security updates either. Why am I paying large prices when the security of my device is like using XP with no antivirus?

That’s my opinion. It’s my experience and I’m happy with iPhone and iOS.

Your new android device has 7.0? Really. What bargain basement bin did you get it out of?
My son has an s8, it currently at may 2020 security patches..
If you spend 200.bucks on any device you basically get what you paid for...
Nice that you would name the SE obviously on a contract plan at 150 bucks then compare it with a 200 buck droid bought outright... Almost as if you are pushing an agenda? 🤔🤔

 

[jamezr]

Look. I know some users are questioning my opinion but if you do buy an Android phone make sure the brand does updates or has guaranteed updates for so long. Hell get a Pixel or latest Samsung (Galaxy S series).

I spent a lot of money and time upgrading and changing Android phones due to security updates and features. Ran Antimalware scanners cleaning caches and unused apps. It was a nightmare for me. I didn’t want to spend more than $200 on a phone. With my first iPhone I didn’t. It was $150 for the original SE with 64GB storage. Constant updates. Touch ID worked. Everything was seamless. For $200 I was getting Android phones with no security patches, 16GB storage and a mediocre 1GB RAM.

It was a chore for me. Even with higher end Android phones, they don’t get updates as often. Maybe a max of 2 years. 3 if you’re lucky. My sister has an S9+ and she can’t get updates on it. Last update she received was in 2018. Used Samsung app and nothing. All stuff shows as current.

Due to other items I bought a 7, 8+ and now I have my 11. I gave my SE to a friend. My brother has my 7 and my mom an 8+. The 7 still gets updates.

Security is important to me and having a phone I don’t have to maintain is amazing. That’s why I like iOS. Android let me down with the constant fragmentation. New Android brand new device has 7.0 but won’t get 8 or above no security updates either. Why am I paying large prices when the security of my device is like using XP with no antivirus?

That’s my opinion. It’s my experience and I’m happy with iPhone and iOS.

What new Android phone you have that is running 7.0?

Security is important to me and having a phone I don’t have to maintain is amazing. That’s why I like iOS. Android let me down with the constant fragmentation. New Android brand new device has 7.0 but won’t get 8 or above no security updates either.

If you take the time to research and educate yourself you will find that the number of Mac exploits are rising sharply due to its popularity.

I use both a iPhone 11 Pro Max and a Pixel 4 XL just so you know..... Have a iMac and Macbook Pro and iPad...the list goes on...

Usually hate Forbes because their headlines are largely clickbait but.....
900 Million iPhones Affected By Updated Apple iOS Warning

900 Million iPhones Affected By Updated Apple iOS Warning

Apple recently confirmed a new iPhone vulnerability, and now every iPhone ever made is affected by it...

www.forbes.com

 

[slooksterPSV]

What new Android phone you have that is running 7.0?


If you take the time to research and educate yourself you will find that the number of Mac exploits are rising sharply due to its popularity.

I use both a iPhone 11 Pro Max and a Pixel 4 XL just so you know..... Have a iMac and Macbook Pro and iPad...the list goes on...

Usually hate Forbes because their headlines are largely clickbait but.....
900 Million iPhones Affected By Updated Apple iOS Warning

900 Million iPhones Affected By Updated Apple iOS Warning

Apple recently confirmed a new iPhone vulnerability, and now every iPhone ever made is affected by it...

www.forbes.com

I never said iPhone or Mac exploits weren’t on the rise. I just said iPhones do get updates more than Android phones. If you have one on Android you never know if it will get fixed for your phone or not. Just the truth of the matter.

 

[jamezr]

I never said iPhone or Mac exploits weren’t on the rise. I just said iPhones do get updates more than Android phones. If you have one on Android you never know if it will get fixed for your phone or not. Just the truth of the matter.

But then the same logic you have for IOS applies to Android right? Then if you do some research here in this forum you will find that all the new Android flagships are getting regular monthly security updates.

Then please clarify the below. Cause the new Android devices come with Android 10.....

New Android brand new device has 7.0 but won’t get 8 or above no security updates either.

Don't mean to attack you...but we see this way too many times from blind brand loyal Apple fans.
They come into this section of MR and sprout a lot untruths....
They state facts known to be not true or maybe were true like 5 years ago.

 

[The Game 161]

But then the same logic you have for IOS applies to Android right? Then if you do some research here in this forum you will find that all the new Android flagships are getting regular monthly security updates.

Then please clarify the below. Cause the new Android devices come with Android 10.....



Don't mean to attack you...but we see this way too many times from blind brand loyal Apple fans.
They come into this section of MR and sprout a lot untruths....
They state facts known to be not true or maybe were true like 5 years ago.

It feels the same in the Mac rumours forum people come here to get a reaction...

no OS is perfect but when people come here stating the shortcomings of android say 3-4 years ago which is totally different to now makes them look odd.

hasn’t the S20 had like security updates every month? Lol so it’s clear they do work on stuff and push out like apple tend to do.

 

[hallux]

hasn’t the S20 had like security updates every month?

Unless they change it, I think Samsung updates the flagship device(s) (S and Note series) monthly for the first year, then it moves to a less frequent update (quarterly?) for the next year or maybe more, then it drops off. The lower-end devices don't get the same attention.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Look. I know some users are questioning my opinion but if you do buy an Android phone make sure the brand does updates or has guaranteed updates for so long. Hell get a Pixel or latest Samsung (Galaxy S series).

I spent a lot of money and time upgrading and changing Android phones due to security updates and features. Ran Antimalware scanners cleaning caches and unused apps. It was a nightmare for me. I didn’t want to spend more than $200 on a phone. With my first iPhone I didn’t. It was $150 for the original SE with 64GB storage. Constant updates. Touch ID worked. Everything was seamless. For $200 I was getting Android phones with no security patches, 16GB storage and a mediocre 1GB RAM.

It was a chore for me. Even with higher end Android phones, they don’t get updates as often. Maybe a max of 2 years. 3 if you’re lucky. My sister has an S9+ and she can’t get updates on it. Last update she received was in 2018. Used Samsung app and nothing. All stuff shows as current.

Due to other items I bought a 7, 8+ and now I have my 11. I gave my SE to a friend. My brother has my 7 and my mom an 8+. The 7 still gets updates.

Security is important to me and having a phone I don’t have to maintain is amazing. That’s why I like iOS. Android let me down with the constant fragmentation. New Android brand new device has 7.0 but won’t get 8 or above no security updates either. Why am I paying large prices when the security of my device is like using XP with no antivirus?

That’s my opinion. It’s my experience and I’m happy with iPhone and iOS.

Somethings wrong with your sister's phone then. The S9+ was upgraded to Android 10 which is the latest version of Android and it still gets monthly security updates.
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Unless they change it, I think Samsung updates the flagship device(s) (S and Note series) monthly for the first year, then it moves to a less frequent update (quarterly?) for the next year or maybe more, then it drops off. The lower-end devices don't get the same attention.

It's monthly for at least 2 years. The note 8/S8 is three years old and only moved to a quarterly update cycle for security updates a few months ago. The S7 series is on a quarterly update cycle. However it's 4 years old and still getting security updates.

 

[Vegastouch]

FYI- moot point is proper usage...

Android is an unwieldy security disaster for 90% or more of the devices in the wild (many a year or so old and herds more in the past) thanks to carriers fragmenting hell out of the market and not providing any updates.

I prefer not having to roll my own updates and use apps that are stable and don’t look like junior high school wood shop creations.

Apple is by no means perfect though much better what Google, slamsung and others have to offer at the moment. Having a unified development platform and standard hardware is not a bad thing in my opinion.

If Android hardware manages to converge in some semblance of an organized fashion down the road and application quality improves, I’m happy to give it another try.

Three times I’ve tried an Android device over the last 4-5 years and each time, gave up in befuddlement after ~1 week.

My updates are automatic so i dont have to do anything myself. Also never had a security issue so i dont know where you are getting this. Granted it isnt as secure as iOS but i've never worried about it or had a problem.

1 week isnt really trying very hard and most who do that, still use their iPhones in between which isnt really giving it a real try. You cant get used to some thing if you are still fiddling with the other and staying in that comfort zone.
Though my Wife is as much as a UN techie as they come and she has a Android phone and a iPad tablet and manages to use each efficiently everyday.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

I've been carrying both the Pro Max and S20 Ultra for months now.

There are things I hate and love about both platforms.

 

[Stevie jobz 2.0]

FYI- moot point is proper usage...

Android is an unwieldy security disaster for 90% or more of the devices in the wild (many a year or so old and herds more in the past) thanks to carriers fragmenting hell out of the market and not providing any updates.

Brilliant, 50% of the world's android handsets are probably in countries that would maybe be described as developing. They have potentially limited access to WiFi and would more than likely have no sensitive apps such as banking apps. Etc.. Can you explain how these people run the risk of experiencing a security disaster... Or are you just talking generic ifan bobbins...

 

[nickdalzell1]

I was using both: A Samsung Galaxy S5 on Straight Talk for most of my home phone calls and data use for work, using it as sorta a micro-tablet for PDF service manuals, and my iPhone 6S for CarPlay, mobile use, Apple Pay, Watch, etc. everything else.

Recently, as in the last month or so, SMS messages are failing 99% the time from the iPhone and my Apple Watch. It should be using iMessage and forwarding as SMS any message to any contact not using an iPhone, but that part has been failing so often (iMessage itself is fine, but my Girlfriend lives in a Covid-19 hotspot and communication with her is something I consider vital and she uses an old Android phone) that I have been forced to grab my spare Motorola G7 Power phone I keep as a backup (one among many, unlocked and compatible with T-Mobile, which is the carrier my iPhone was using) and swap the SIM card into it to maintain communication with her. Yesterday I literally couldn't send a SMS to her period, at all. It came back 'not delivered' and my watch and phone both. Sometimes I could get replies or messages from her, but repeated 8 times in a row. She says her messages to me fail as well.

That has not happened since re-activating my Motorola. Despite how much I hate how big it is, it does sport a huge battery, and while modern gesture-driven Android isn't quite my forte, I did at least theme it before I went to the iPhone, so it's ok for now. It kinda sucks I can't respond to an SMS via the Galaxy Watch paired to it, since Samsung disables the messaging and certain other apps from working with non-Samsung hardware, but I suppose it's more important I can talk to her over which device I use to talk to her.

I really have started liking Apple again after my initial disgust when iOS 7 came out (which diverted me to Samsung for 6 years) but lately their software even if you don't update it to avoid bugs, gets buggy. I rebooted my iPhone a dozen times over last week for various issues from SMS failings to it showing 'no service' and never recovering, to a recent issue where it wanted my payment info for zero reason (that notification never went away either). I have no clue what happened to the 'it just works' I have grown accustomed to but it's apparently dying off over at Apple. My Mac won't go to dark mode on its own most of the time, and my iPad incorrectly claims it's full when it's not even halfway used up, and my iPhone won't SMS anymore.

 

[ian87w]

Brilliant, 50% of the world's android handsets are probably in countries that would maybe be described as developing. They have potentially limited access to WiFi and would more than likely have no sensitive apps such as banking apps. Etc.. Can you explain how these people run the risk of experiencing a security disaster... Or are you just talking generic ifan bobbins...

This is OT, but I just have to say something. I'm living in that "developing" country. Mobile phones are critically important. We have used SMS banking even before the era of smartphones. Now, we have several cashless options using only our smartphones. We even have digital-only bank accounts (apply directly through the bank's app). So yes, we in the "developing" world do have sensitive data on our phones.

 

[Stevie jobz 2.0]

This is OT, but I just have to say something. I'm living in that "developing" country. Mobile phones are critically important. We have used SMS banking even before the era of smartphones. Now, we have several cashless options using only our smartphones. We even have digital-only bank accounts (apply directly through the bank's app). So yes, we in the "developing" world do have sensitive data on our phones.

Well with that in mind, can I respectfully apologise for my shortsightedness towards some areas.. I fear I need to work on my knowledge in some matters.

 

[Awesomesince86]

Well, based on rumors released today, one thing you'll get with an Android phone that you won't get with a new iPhone is a power adapter.

Apparently Apple aren't putting any power adapters in the box with iPhone 12s in order to cut cost.

 

[hallux]

in order to cut cost.

Because Apple doesn't make enough on iPhones already?

In all honesty - I rarely use the charger that comes in the box anyway, I have Anker PowerPort chargers in most places I'm charging my devices and the only reason I use the adapter that came with my phone is that sometimes I want to charge two USB-C devices at the same time while sitting in the living room...

 

[Awesomesince86]

Because Apple doesn't make enough on iPhones already?

In all honesty - I rarely use the charger that comes in the box anyway, I have Anker PowerPort chargers in most places I'm charging my devices and the only reason I use the adapter that came with my phone is that sometimes I want to charge two USB-C devices at the same time while sitting in the living room...

I get that, but it's besides the point. Apple is just assuming everyone has owned every product they've ever made and have tons of chargers and cables lying around which is just the most Apple mentality to have. Can you imagine how furious you would be if you're an average consumer that doesn't follow tech and just bought your first iPhone...only to get it home and realize you can't charge it? That's insane.

Oh and Apple chargers tend to cost a lot. Like $50 bucks if I remember correctly.

 

[jamezr]

I get that, but it's besides the point. Apple is just assuming everyone has owned every product they've ever made and have tons of chargers and cables lying around which is just the most Apple mentality to have. Can you imagine how furious you would be if you're an average consumer that doesn't follow tech and just bought your first iPhone...only to get it home and realize you can't charge it? That's insane.

Oh and Apple chargers tend to cost a lot. Like $50 bucks if I remember correctly.

It is a really cheap move on Apples part. The most cash rich company in the world and they pull this kind of move. It really is a no class move on their part.

No matter how may cables or chargers people have. A new and expensive phone should come with the very basic things it needs to operate and sustain that device. It should come with a cable and power adapter.

 

[hallux]

A new and expensive phone should come with the very basic things it needs to operate and sustain that device. It should come with a cable and power adapter.

And for someone like myself, who does not have an existing iOS device, having to buy a cable to charge my new phone might just cause me to stick to devices that will use the chargers/cables I already have.

 

[Ludatyk]

Apparently Apple aren't putting any power adapters in the box with iPhone 12s in order to cut cost.

I must admit... if Apple plans to keep using that 5watt cube charger, I'll co-sign with them to get rid of it from the box. I've stopped using those chargers for years now. I do understand your viewpoint as far as the average joe who buys a iPhone to not find a charger in the box, it could be a confusing experience.

But in this period of time... there's plenty of opportunities to charge the phone. From laptops, desktops to gaming systems... I normally charge my phone from the desktop anyways.

 

[SteveJUAE]

It is a really cheap move on Apples part. The most cash rich company in the world and they pull this kind of move. It really is a no class move on their part.

No matter how may cables or chargers people have. A new and expensive phone should come with the very basic things it needs to operate and sustain that device. It should come with a cable and power adapter.

There are just too many scenarios in households of more than one person, floors, rooms or devices for most to need more than one charger let alone starting with 0

Most OEM's already do not supply chargers with other products like headsets knowing that users have a charger with their phone

Apple ECO now needs even a separate purchase to charge your device, if this rumor is true

 

[jamezr]

There are just too many scenarios in households of more than one person, floors, rooms or devices for most to need more than one charger

Most OEM's already do not supply chargers with other products like headsets knowing that users have a charger with their phone

Apple ECO now needs even a separate purchase to charge your device, if this rumor is true

so then a new first time phone buyer would out of luck? Have to spend another $40 or so to keep their new expensive phone charged?


Then i would not be surprised if the new revamped Air Power wireless charging station is released soon or at the same time as the iPhone 12