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mjschabow

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Sorry I have a pixel and cursor control is rudimentary on GBoard by comparison to IOS's force touch keyboard. Indeed the force touch cursor control is probably the singular best part of force touch in all honesty. Swiping left and right on the small area of the space bar on Gboard doesn't really compare like for like at all.

Agreed 100%. The swipe on space key feature was pretty hard to use. On iOS keyboard you can 3D Touch anywhere on the keyboard.
 
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Zandery

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I thought I'd hate the 7 Plus but on inspecting it closely recently its a great device (not sure my pockets would agree) but it is so expensive, its hard to justify that cost tbh.
Who is your current contract with, call them up and say you were looking at upgrading to the iPhone 7+ but EE/O2/Three/Vodafone has a better deal and you'd like to cancel your contract, presuming you've done your minimum term.

EE, Three and Vodafone give decent retentions, I've not experienced O2's. If you're on Three, go in-store and they have special upgrade deals (Upgrade S, I think), if you say you'll take insurance (you can cancel next day for no charge), you may be able to persuade the assistant to give you the Upgrade S deal.
 

pixel_junkie

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Sorry I have a pixel and cursor control is rudimentary on GBoard by comparison to IOS's force touch keyboard. Indeed the force touch cursor control is probably the singular best part of force touch in all honesty. Swiping left and right on the small area of the space bar on Gboard doesn't really compare like for like at all.

Sorry, hardly rudimentary. I use it all the time, no problems. Either way, I'll take that implementation along with the rest of the many customization options that come with a full featured keyboard like gboard any day over that overly simplified, dated iOS keyboard. Put swipe on there already for gods sake, it's 2017, it's been around for years!
 

codeablemag

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Don't think about Android or anything when you have been already using Apple. Just go for iPhone 7 or 7 plus without a single thought...
 

MRU

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Sorry, hardly rudimentary.

Yes it is. You can navigate left or right only and only over the area of the space bar.

Compared to force touch cursor control which allows full 360 axis of movement through blocks of text over the entire keyboard surface.

I love my Pixel, but saying Gboards cursor control is the same thing is simply untrue.
 
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pixel_junkie

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Yes it is. You can navigate left or right only and only over the space bar.

Compared to force touch cursor control which allows full 360 axis of movement through blocks of text over the entire keyboard surface.

I love my Pixel, but saying Gboards cursor control is the same thing is simply untrue.

Didn't say it was the same, said it wasn't rudimentary which it would be if it didn't have that feature.
 

MRU

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Didn't say it was the same, said it wasn't rudimentary which it would be if it didn't have that feature.
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Splitting hairs ...
 

epicrayban

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You trade gesture-editing for gesture-typing. In my opinion, that's a bad trade. I rather have gesture typing as I use my device one handed a lot. Editing on Android is still easy enough; whereas gesture-typing just straight up doesn't exist on iOS (gesture-typing is so sorely needed especially for iPads).
 
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MRU

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You trade gesture-editing for gesture-typing. In my opinion, that's a bad trade. I rather have gesture typing as I use my device one handed a lot. Editing on Android is still easy enough; whereas gesture-typing just straight up doesn't exist on iOS (gesture-typing is so sorely needed especially for iPads).
In an ideal world we would have both
 

tbayrgs

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You trade gesture-editing for gesture-typing. In my opinion, that's a bad trade. I rather have gesture typing as I use my device one handed a lot. Editing on Android is still easy enough; whereas gesture-typing just straight up doesn't exist on iOS (gesture-typing is so sorely needed especially for iPads).

Sure you do...you just have to use a 3rd party keyboard, i.e. GBoard. Yes, it reverts back to the standard iOS keyboard for passwords, which I'll agree is a nuisance, but I can't ever use gesture typing for sensitive info like usernames or passwords anyways, as it relies on predictive text to be useful. If my keyboard can 'guesstimate' my password based on my keyboard swipes, I'm not using a very good password. ;)
 

epicrayban

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Sure you do...you just have to use a 3rd party keyboard, i.e. GBoard. Yes, it reverts back to the standard iOS keyboard for passwords, which I'll agree is a nuisance, but I can't ever use gesture typing for sensitive info like usernames or passwords anyways, as it relies on predictive text to be useful. If my keyboard can 'guesstimate' my password based on my keyboard swipes, I'm not using a very good password. ;)

Yep. I should have clarified I was talking about stock iOS keyboard. I do agree the editing function is the best implementation of force touch, BTW.

Gboard allows for gesture-typing, but don't you lose the 360 degree editing function? I seem to remember only being able to move the cursor left and right. Can't recall.

To be honest, I try to do as little typing on my iPhone as possible.
 

sunking101

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Don't think about Android or anything when you have been already using Apple. Just go for iPhone 7 or 7 plus without a single thought...

That's closing yourself off from a lot of great and arguably better options due to the sake of habit.
 

Oohara

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Yep. I should have clarified I was talking about stock iOS keyboard. I do agree the editing function is the best implementation of force touch, BTW.

Gboard allows for gesture-typing, but don't you lose the 360 degree editing function? I seem to remember only being able to move the cursor left and right. Can't recall.

To be honest, I try to do as little typing on my iPhone as possible.
Yep, with Gboard you get swipe typing but 3D touch cursor move is side to side only, which is pretty much useless imo. I'll take swipe typing over force touch editing any day of the week though.

And still nothing is close to beating Swype on Android in terms of workflow speed for me. Being able to select the word nearest the cursor with the Swype button, quick swipe commands for copy/paste/cut etc is still miles ahead of text editing on iPhone (iOS Swype is missing nearly all those goodies). And I had it all already back in 2011 on my Note 2.

Generally I find Android text editing to be the biggest sacrifice I make when choosing iPhone. Even if Gboard makes life at least bearable.

I'm also not impressed by 3D touch overall. I never use the app switching trick because it's just too hit and miss, even made me drop my phone a few times haha. Actually most 3D touch functions feel pretty hit or miss for me. Even hard pressing an app icon for the shortcuts quite often fails and gets the home page to jiggle instead.

Still love my iP7+ but there is definitely still room for improvement.
 

jamezr

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I'm also not impressed by 3D touch overall. I never use the app switching trick because it's just too hit and miss, even made me drop my phone a few times haha. Actually most 3D touch functions feel pretty hit or miss for me. Even hard pressing an app icon for the shortcuts quite often fails and gets the home page to jiggle instead.

Still love my iP7+ but there is definitely still room for improvement.
I feel the same way about 3D touch. It is a huge hit or miss for me. I end up not using it at all because it is eeasier than getting frustrated over the wrong options.
I also enjoy my 7+ but would love to see some improvements in the software.
 
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MRU

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I feel the same way about 3D touch. It is a huge hit or miss for me. I end up not using it at all because it is eeasier than getting frustrated over the wrong options.
I also enjoy my 7+ but would love to see some improvements in the software.
What iritates me about both force touch and Google's hard press context menu is the lack of consistency between apps and the platform.

For example on my pixel some apps have the context menu hard press where the same app on iOS doesn't have those options or at times support force touch at all.

And likewise vise versa.

I would use both more if there was a consistency and even more desirable the option to customise inside the app itself.
 

jamezr

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What iritates me about both force touch and Google's hard press context menu is the lack of consistency between apps and the platform.

For example on my pixel some apps have the context menu hard press where the same app on iOS doesn't have those options or at times support force touch at all.

And likewise vise versa.

I would use both more if there was a consistency and even more desirable the option to customise inside the app itself.
I wish there was a standard so both platforms would have the same consistency! But that will never happen....
 
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Radon87000

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I never thought I would hear someone describe the Pixel as good value for money.
Depends on whether you value Day 1 Android updates.
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Yep, with Gboard you get swipe typing but 3D touch cursor move is side to side only, which is pretty much useless imo. I'll take swipe typing over force touch editing any day of the week though.

And still nothing is close to beating Swype on Android in terms of workflow speed for me. Being able to select the word nearest the cursor with the Swype button, quick swipe commands for copy/paste/cut etc is still miles ahead of text editing on iPhone (iOS Swype is missing nearly all those goodies). And I had it all already back in 2011 on my Note 2.

Generally I find Android text editing to be the biggest sacrifice I make when choosing iPhone. Even if Gboard makes life at least bearable.

I'm also not impressed by 3D touch overall. I never use the app switching trick because it's just too hit and miss, even made me drop my phone a few times haha. Actually most 3D touch functions feel pretty hit or miss for me. Even hard pressing an app icon for the shortcuts quite often fails and gets the home page to jiggle instead.

Still love my iP7+ but there is definitely still room for improvement.
I find triggering the app switcher is painful if you have a case.My case somehow interferes with the hard press on the left of the screen.And I kinda find it pointless because my finger reaches the home button much easier than the side of the screen so I nearly always trigger it through double press
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Predictive text is so good on iOS that I have no problem typing on my iPhone.
You obviously havent used SwiftKey. Nothing comes close.
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Yes it is. You can navigate left or right only and only over the area of the space bar.

Compared to force touch cursor control which allows full 360 axis of movement through blocks of text over the entire keyboard surface.

I love my Pixel, but saying Gboards cursor control is the same thing is simply untrue.
I dont understand why no third party android keyboard tries to implement the two finger editing like on iPad. It would allow the 360 rotation of the cursor anywhere in the text.

Or even Microsoft's implementation
 
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epicrayban

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I'm also not impressed by 3D touch overall. I never use the app switching trick because it's just too hit and miss, even made me drop my phone a few times haha. Actually most 3D touch functions feel pretty hit or miss for me. Even hard pressing an app icon for the shortcuts quite often fails and gets the home page to jiggle instead.

Double tapping the app-switcher button to "alt-tab" between two apps is incredibly slick and useful.

Agree with you about 3D Touch. It's something that iOS needs unfortunately because of how un-dynamic the OS is.
 
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sman789

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If you can shell out $200, get a LG Nexus 5x and test drive it yourself. $100 for the older Nexus 5 but that won't get the latest Android OS (officially, there's a deep, dark rabbit hole of rooting/ROMing your phone).

I have an SE and and MacBook Pro and honestly I'd be fine with using the iPhone exclusively. The ecosystem (AirDrop and Messages) is fantastic.

But I also have a big honking PC and a few other Android phones. I like to poke, prod and tinker. Android allows you to do that but you may not desire it. If that's the case, then honestly, the iOS and Android do the same thing.
 

MRU

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For $200 I'd look at the UMI Z ... near stock android and decent build and performance pushing way above its price tag. If you just want to experiment with Android but have the feeling of a more premium device, you could do a lot worse ....
 
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5105973

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iPhone 7 Plus is sweeet but it's very expensive. I'd like to keep with iOS and keep updating hardware with Apple but it all depends on what Apple is going to do with pricing in the future.

It's really hard to give up iMessage because it's not easy to find people willing to install WhatsApp to text you. Not even family will do it. Heck, especially not family.

Nevertheless, due to rising costs of iPhones, my husband and I continue to experiment with Android. Right now we're still on a good income and can afford the Apple upgrade path and to mess around with different options, but at some point college expenses for my now 12 year old will hit us along with retirement about the same time. Ouch. So we are getting a sense of what different options at different price points can give us.

A few months ago the HTC 10 was a steal at $500. That is an excellent phone. I get great signal and voice clarity on AT&T and because it's unlocked, I get pushed updates very promptly. I got Nougat a couple of months ago. It's great. But HTC as a company is all over the place now, so I don't want to invest in an upgrade path with them.

There are some user interface things I prefer in iOS. I can't see abandoning them anytime soon. I love my iPhone 7 Plus. It's exceeded my expectations.

But at some point iPhones will be priced beyond reasonability if current trends continue. (Samsung, too, for that matter). My husband and I are going to pop over to Best Buy this weekend and look at Huawei and Honor phones. Just to see what a medium outlay of cash can buy.

Lol, even though I'm half Asian, I was always a "Be American, Buy American" kind of gal when the option is there. For example, I always made sure my automobiles were from American companies and assembled in the USA, too. Despite having an uncle who lives in Tokyo and works for Toyota. I'm a US citizen and I care about my countrymen and support businesses that support them when I can. American autos also often make sense because they tend to be more affordable to purchase and maintain than imports and some last a long time and a lot of miles. My car is 24 years old.

But with smart phones...gotta get real. I can see Tim doesn't give two hoots about the US in particular. The dude thinks globally and courts China fervently because it's stupid not to. So what the heck, I may as well, too. It would be stupid not to. Especially if Apple pricing removes it as an option for us in our retirement.
 

The Game 161

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iPhone 7 Plus is sweeet but it's very expensive. I'd like to keep with iOS and keep updating hardware with Apple but it all depends on what Apple is going to do with pricing in the future.

It's really hard to give up iMessage because it's not easy to find people willing to install WhatsApp to text you. Not even family will do it. Heck, especially not family.

Nevertheless, due to rising costs of iPhones, my husband and I continue to experiment with Android. Right now we're still on a good income and can afford the Apple upgrade path and to mess around with different options, but at some point college expenses for my now 12 year old will hit us along with retirement about the same time. Ouch. So we are getting a sense of what different options at different price points can give us.

A few months ago the HTC 10 was a steal at $500. That is an excellent phone. I get great signal and voice clarity on AT&T and because it's unlocked, I get pushed updates very promptly. I got Nougat a couple of months ago. It's great. But HTC as a company is all over the place now, so I don't want to invest in an upgrade path with them.

There are some user interface things I prefer in iOS. I can't see abandoning them anytime soon. I love my iPhone 7 Plus. It's exceeded my expectations.

But at some point iPhones will be priced beyond reasonability if current trends continue. (Samsung, too, for that matter). My husband and I are going to pop over to Best Buy this weekend and look at Huawei and Honor phones. Just to see what a medium outlay of cash can buy.

Lol, even though I'm half Asian, I was always a "Be American, Buy American" kind of gal when the option is there. For example, I always made sure my automobiles were from American companies and assembled in the USA, too. Despite having an uncle who lives in Tokyo and works for Toyota. I'm a US citizen and I care about my countrymen and support businesses that support them when I can. American autos also often make sense because they tend to be more affordable to purchase and maintain than imports and some last a long time and a lot of miles. My car is 24 years old.

But with smart phones...gotta get real. I can see Tim doesn't give two hoots about the US in particular. The dude thinks globally and courts China fervently because it's stupid not to. So what the heck, I may as well, too. It would be stupid not to. Especially if Apple pricing removes it as an option for us in our retirement.
this is the thing imessage means nothing to me now as everybody i know i text via whatsapp...UK people seem to now.

Problem is I have everything apple

watch
7 plus
ipad pro
macbook

however the S8 plus and tab S3 is tempting to me right now. IOS is what I like as it's smooth performance wise and the performance has let me down with samsung in recent years.

I'm annoyed by the iphone rumours that the OLED model is likely only going to be 5'1 inches of useable screen. I want a big screen and the 6.2 inch S8 plus really is interesting me
 
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