ChatGPT Plus Users Can Keep Using GPT-4o After Complaints About GPT-5

[hans1972]

ChatGPT 5 still couldn't give me a list of US states that had the letter 'r' in it without including Massachusetts, Illinois and Indiana.
Not quite the Phd-level OpenAI claim it is. 🤣

You have to be good at prompt engineering when it comes to single letter problems.

List the name of all the states in the United States.
For each state, treat its name as a string of characters and determine if this string contains the letter 'r'.

 

[turbineseaplane]

ADs coming to Grok, if that tips the scales in any direction for anyone ...

 

[sevoneone]

It’s the Dot Com bubble all over again. Apple is doing AI correctly. Slowly, in house, local on device for most things, opening up the API to Apple Intelligence to third party developers and continuing to develop their own LLM based on Apple’s long standing compute vision of safe, secure and private personal computing. The fact that Apple partnered with OpenAI to let Apple Intelligence switch over requests to ChatGPT when Apple Intelligence gets beyond it skis is ( 1 ) an admission that they are not ready yet for their own LLM to come out based not on Sam Altman’s delusional goal for AI but Apple’s measured, safer and more secure AI and ( 2 ) an pat on the head for misinformed and naive people such as yourself about Apple’s future.

The hype of "AI" overshadows and distorts the actual usefulness and capabilities of the underlying models. Sam Altman isn't delusional about the actual capabilities of AI, he just knows that he has to continue to make this all sound like it is headed toward some inflated form of magic in order to continue to extract money from investors. The term everywhere people keep parroting is "superintelligence" like AGI is just going to self-manifest/evolve from one of models any minute now, which is very unlikely.

Apple decided 10 years ago they were not going to follow the business/enterprise space into the cloud, and so while macOS and iOS are all over the workplace these days, everyones data and operations live at Microsoft, Google or Amazon. The whole industry is wandering a little aimlessly trying to find the "killer app" that will build consumer trust and adoption of AI. A platform like Copilot or Gemini at least has the tentpoles of business, enterprise and cloud customers that Microsoft/Google can sell the real world practical applications of AI, that don't necessarily sell the "magic" to everyday consumers, while they build and experiment. So it is no wonder the only features of Apple Intelligence to materialize have been not much more than toys. Apple probably should have never put its foot in AI at this stage. They should have decided that creating their own platform was not the best way to invest in AI and left that to the players already out there like OpenAI, Google, Anthropic etc., while adding hardware and software support to make it easier for developers to integrate and build solutions with whichever of those tools they want to bring in. They could have then waited and seen where it made sense to make their own plays.

So that people get a sense of what to expect (or not).
Some are hyping these things up to INCREDIBLE levels, and I think it's important to have some reality checks on that.

Bingo. People need to understand every LLMs' output is based on training from prior works. It is 100% impossible for it to deliver/discover novel concepts or ideas on it's own. Sure it can put words together in an entirely new/unique way, and it can pass information on to other models that are good at other analytical things and get that data back, but if you are not doing your own sanity checking and directing it with thoughts/understanding from your own head, everything it is spitting out is influenced by some other work, quite possibly fiction.

 

[Populus]

I think o3-mini was added at some point. This was from a fairly recent screenshot I googled, matching my vague recollection, and it’s definitely not the Plus tier, which looked like that:

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The available models changed every few months, so you might remember a different state.

Thank you.

Damn, with so many models, I can understand why they wanted to streamline and simplify the offer to just GPT-5. And for me it’s working better than any other previous model but I guess that YMMV.

What I’ve noticed tho, and maybe this is just me, is that all the noise that the release of GPT-3 and GPT-4 got at the moment, has not been replicated with GPT-5. Maybe it isn’t perceived as that big of a leap? Or maybe there’s more competition now…