This has nothing to do with spying in the west. Data collection in China is China's internal matter. We may not like it but that's not the declared reason for banning Huawei hardware.
Documents link Huawei to China’s surveillance programs
A review of more than 100 PowerPoint presentations, many marked “confidential,” suggests the company has had a broader role in tracking China’s populace than it has acknowledged.www.washingtonpost.com
Huawei tested AI software that could recognize Uighur minorities and alert police, report says
An internal report shows how the face-scanning system could trigger a “Uighur alarm” if it detects someone resembling a member of the Uighur minority group, sparking concerns that the software could further fuel China’s brutal government crackdown.
60 second google search. If you've ever actually used a Huawei device (or any Chinese phone!) you'd easily be able to see first had as well lol... It's widespread knowledge about dangerous data collection in Chinese devices running in the background, easily spotted if you've ever played around with rooting or debloating Chinese phones.
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"Taiwanese are just Chinese with a different political ideology. That's it." - Taiwanese aren't Chinese, they are Taiwanese... with their own government, ideology, relations, and goals. Again an insult to Taiwan independence.
Before the Japanese were defeated they were considered to be the east as well, now they are considered part of the western world. Being politically backed by the west has a HUGE amount to do with the production of advanced chips, they get to share our resources, technology, and knowledge.
TSMC hasn't completed the factory in the US so obviously nothing has been produced yet, However construction is speeding up and with big players like Apple helping fund them, production will happen and outdo China as usual. https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Te...more-workers-to-speed-U.S.-plant-construction
The biggest ventilator manufacture is American. https://www.nsmedicaldevices.com/analysis/seven-ventilator-manufacturers/
European Car manufactures do not solely rely on Chinese cells, they use LG, Samsung, and Panasonic cells as well. VW is even building its own Battery Plants in the US and Canada, along with some plants in Europe. https://electrek.co/2023/03/13/volkswagen-plots-first-north-american-ev-battery-cell-plant-location/
Volkswagen and PowerCo to build North American battery factory in Canada | TechCrunch
Volkswagen Group and its battery company PowerCo have picked Canada for its first overseas battery cell factory.techcrunch.com
The Chinese have not "won", let me know when they have a chip as powerful as anything we have, dont have to rely on poaching western engineers and stealing western designs, and can manufacture 5nm and beyond chips (something Chinese propaganda claims they already can do but actually can't)
I have no interest in seeing a strong China because I am adversely affected by a stronger China. I know you want to turn this into a "CCP" issue because you have no other value to add but I'm not going to be baited into that conversation. I work as a market analyst in renewable energy and I've been watching China dominate for the last 12 years. Their rise isn't recent - only the noise the US making is.
China produces the most batteries in the world: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/chinas-dominance-in-battery-manufacturing/
China also produces the best batteries in the world. Panasonic was the leader until they were dethroned by CATL: https://electrek.co/2023/03/21/catl...ies-with-13-more-power-than-other-4680-cells/
CATL remains the name to beat in EV battery development, not only in China where it is headquartered, but around the entire globe. This past February, the company emerged yet again as the largest battery market share holder on the planet for a sixth straight year, holding a near 25% larger share than second place LG Energy Solution.
Porsche: https://www.autonews.com/china/porsche-talks-procure-ev-batteries-catlVW: https://www.electrive.com/2023/05/11/gotion-to-supply-vw-with-batteries-outside-of-china/
BMW is going one step further and not only use Chinese batteries but just going to rebadge Great Wall Motors as Minis and X1s: https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-ne...of-the-mini-acemans-new-electric-car-platform
There is no manufacturer outside China, that can supply better batteries. None. They have dominance in volume and quality.
TSMC has already finished the factory. Now, their excuse is that they don't have skilled labor. Not enough engineers and technicians in America. LOL. "He added that the firm was "working to improve the situation, including sending experienced technicians from Taiwan to train the local skilled workers [in the US] for a short period of time". And you're not making the case for the US any stronger by pointing out a Taiwanese firm producing 5nm chips in America. Like I said, the US has already lost.
The largest ventilator producer WAS American:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ventilator_manufacturers
https://news.bd.com/2020-03-12-BD-Statement-on-Ventilators
https://www.industryweek.com/supply...k-247-to-build-ventilators-for-milan-new-york
As I said before, no amount of complaining by losers is going to change the outcome.
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Except it wasn’t just collection in China. Again it’s very easy to see what is installed on Android phones.
This is just one of those absolutely meaningless statements like "Russia has lost a Cold War". Ironically nobody feels lucky about this "win" and on a contrary everybody seems to agree that the world is less predictable and much more dangerous now then it ever was during a more predictable and balanced times of the "Cold War".
The real management is the management that you are unable to see. Because you can see a "social ratings system" it is not considered to be a "real management" and merely a desperate attempt to cover up the lack of any conceptual power whatsoever.
As I said, I am adversely affected by a rise in Chinese dominance. And the Soviet Union did lose the Cold War and it was a tremendous loss that was felt throughout the world. It had real implications. Some people in Russia even today still cannot accept this.
Do you know of any US fabs (not Taiwanese and the like) that can make 7nm chips at scale in a production setting (not in a theoretical setting like a lab)?
Soviet Union never wanted or started the Cold War so we cannot possibly "lose it". It is purely a campaign manufactured by the West. Just like the Soviet Union/Stalin was always against the division of the Germany into West and East. So the "fall of the Berlin wall" is not exactly a "victory" of the West and there is a reason why Margaret Thatcher was against the fall of the Berlin wall. The wall was built by Khrushchev who was a Trotsky follower and subversively worked for the Western interests. All of Khrushchev family are living in US should tell you everything you need to know about him.
The death of the "American dream" is a real implication that is still felt today so I don't know why do you say "it had real implications". The future generations of the US citizens are guaranteed to have a life that is much worse than the life of their parents. You see when transnational capital does not have to compete with the Soviet system it does not have to continue to provide the benefits to the US citizens. Just ask Jerome "not my job" Powell about this.
You called me out here: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/china-expanding-government-iphone-ban.2400723/post-32442253 and now you're changing the subject when I asked you to back up your claim.
I don't need to hear your "absolutely meaningless" treatise on political economy. I want to know where America stands in chip manufacturing compared to China. As I've said before, America has already lost and now it has to resort to pettiness via sanctions.
The fact is that China is afraid of even a secondary sanctions from the US. This should tell you everything you need to know about who is winning.
My point is that if you are conceptually all over the place it does not matter where do you stand with regards to the chip manufacturing. For example the Chinese so-called "peace proposal" was so anti-Russian that it made me think that these guys are really on a suicide mission or just incredibly dumb. I think that the guy who was responsible for this "peace proposal" got fired but it does not change the fact.
I don't mind you wanting to claim a certain "technical victory" in terms of chip manufacturing or else just like the Soviet Union technically won the economic race with the US by the early 70s but decided not to force it. All I am saying is that from the big picture perspective these "technical victories" don't really matter.
Intel WISHES they made an actual 7nm chip. LOL. 🤣
Intel "7" is not the same as TSMC 7nm. You clearly don't understand how chips are marketed.
https://www.pcguide.com/cpu/intel-13th-gen-7nm/
"Intel has based its 13th Gen architecture, codenamed Raptor Lake, on their now trusted 10nm ESF “Intel 7” process node."
Losers change rules when they lose.
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Not talking about Intel 7, I’m talking about Intel 4.
“The new process node is already in mass production for Meteor Lake at the Oregon D1 fab (D1C, D1D, D1X) and the total production output of the fab is around 40,000 wafers per month”
Intel Expresses Confidence in "Intel 4" Process, Says Its Competitive With TSMC's 3nm Node
Intel has expressed confidence in its "Intel 4" process node which will be utilized in upcoming Meteor Lake CPUs due for launch in September.
LOL all the usual experts who have zero clue about China. Good to see McCarthyism is alive and well in 2023 what a joke you are...
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Their roadmap presentation said Intel 4 would be out by 2023. Now they've pushed it to 2024. Are these being used in secret somewhere if they're producing at scale?Not talking about Intel 7, I’m talking about Intel 4.
“The new process node is already in mass production for Meteor Lake at the Oregon D1 fab (D1C, D1D, D1X) and the total production output of the fab is around 40,000 wafers per month”
Intel Expresses Confidence in "Intel 4" Process, Says Its Competitive With TSMC's 3nm Node
Intel has expressed confidence in its "Intel 4" process node which will be utilized in upcoming Meteor Lake CPUs due for launch in September.wccftech.com
You know what's even more pathetic? Intel could only get to 7nm using EUV. SMIC figured out how to do it via DUV. That's impressive! Even with the export controls, they still beat Intel to the market by at least 1 year.
When do you think Intel will get to 5nm? 2030? LOL
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Chip war or not, the fact that only small percentage of chips needs advanced process.
Most of chips are sufficient with 28nm, which China is capable of doing so. Just wait until China flooding markets with these chips, most foundary will go out of business.
It is only time China figures out advanced process. The facts that Huawei can release a phone with 5G and 7nm chips is proof that China is getting there.
It is America that should be afraid. The fact America is throwing sanctions instead of competing, shows how afraid of America is.
American should know, this is war between China and US. We will not stop and it is only America to loss. US tried to block us from International Space Station, we are making our own. US tried to stop us making solar panels, now Chinese made solar panels are all over United States. We are coming after your automotive market, AI etc. US will not stop us.
The fact is you are making distinction between CCP and people is funny. The CCP has 90 million members and each member has relatives and CCP has great support by Chinese people.
And what I find funny is that you think US does not pursue conquest goal. US started countless wars and killed million of people in the process is something you choose to forget.
Only fool buy iPhone SE these days.
The newest Huawei Mate 60 Pro is somewhere close to 900USD and the newest foldable Mate X5 is close to 1800USD. Both of them sold out quickly.
Your post is funny and sad at same time. If this is average American looks like, China gets nothing to worry about.
You are reminding me of Khrushchev who is with one hand shook the fist in the air at the US, knocked the boot on the table and with the other hand was selling the interests of the Soviet Union and preparing a place to live for his family in the US.
Talking about the nature of the subversive operations. Everything you said here actually gives "instruments" to the United States and actually empowers it.
Spoken like a true CCP plant! 90 million, huh? That's fantastic, for an evil organisation that's afraid of the remaining billion people.
China wants to conquer and annex territories that don't belong to them, like Taiwan.
The US, irrespective of your beliefs, simply does not. All those wars you talk about strangely didn't result in the US enlarging it's territory.
In any case, China will lose.
Going back to this statement in the light of the subversive operations.
The true subversive meaning and implication of this statement is that if US has already lost, China can stop the competition and step back. This will lead to the eventual defeat of China.
Khrushchev: "Socialism has already won".
Subversive meaning and implication of this seemingly "positive" statement: Soviet Union can stop the competition and step back. US can step forward.
You are "conveniently forgetting" that US is pretty much an island that is far away from the mainland. The rules of the game are different for an island and a mainland where you are surrounded by many countries. Even then don't forget that Texas is historically a Mexican territory.
Your country has severe overpopulation, low labor wage, inadequate housing, and an oppressive government. The iPhone SE is still more expensive than what the average Chinese person can afford to waste their money on. That's a fact, you're government is deceiving you.
The CCP doesn't have "90 million members" nor does it have "great support by the Chinese people".
You are brainwashed, and CCP membership is pretty much mandatory. I understand you are trying to keep your social credit score up though.
You are soooo brainwashed LOL, it's quite obvious you don't actually know what you are talking about on this subject. Rest assured the West (which includes Taiwan and the US) will always be ahead, because we don't have Guns to our heads by our own governments. Free innovation ALWAYS trumps Innovation that requires stealing secrets from your competitor. You have no idea of the tech that isn't public. Oh, and Intel is absolutely producing at scale, things are produced ahead of launch you know. LOL
SMIC's 7nm process was stolen from US technology. Lmao we literally supply them.
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Last time I check, CCP has support over 90% of population.
Taiwan is part of China. This is just fact, get your history right. Please also check constitution of Republic of China. PRC has successions of ROC, it has legitimate claim over Taiwan.
Oh, please. Vietnam war, invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan etc. Who started the war? US has involved in countless war, did you ask their people if they want US?
So **** the US. US is the most evil country in the earth.