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playtech1

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Although a 12 inch AS MacBook is on the top of my Christmas list, I just don't see it happening.

In fact I'm inclined to believe that Apple will push out AS MBA and MBP models in the old chassis, with just changes under the hood. In fact I feel like the MBA was designed with a fanless chip in mind given how poor its cooling is.
 
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Lucifer666

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Fanless 13” apple silicon macbook. Slightly larger than the old 12 macbook with thinner bezel. Pretty much the same design but with a scissor keyboard. You hear it here first!

Well, we heard it here and about a zillion other places, but kudos just the same! :)
 

aleni

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Well, we heard it here and about a zillion other places, but kudos just the same! :)
I really miss that laptop. Super lightweight easy to use everywhere throughout the house. Grab it like a magazine to bring it outside to my balcony and use it while drinking my coffee. Ahhh.
 
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magicschoolbus

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I’m betting the MacBook but with a a14 chip.. always felt like that chassis was somewhat of a test bed for the A series.
 

radiologyman

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If they do I hope it's slightly modified. I don't want to see the butterfly keyboard coming back that just gives me chills.
Kuo did say a while ago that one coming Macbook will have a new form factor. No further details but one can hope it will be new MB12
 

ascender

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The 12” could be a great way for them to showcase a fanless design with an ultra-efficient chip which also performs well. Or maybe the Air will go fanless?

I’m still hoping for some surprises and that Kuo’s rumours are inaccurate.
 

radiologyman

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I don’t recall that rumor. Was it in the context of the Apple Silicon event?


The push for ARM chips will continue into other models, with the analyst suggesting all-new Mac models will be equipped with the chips from 2021. "We estimate that all Mac models will switch to ARM in 12-18 months," said Kuo, adding an "all-new form-factor design MacBook" model will head into mass production in the second half of 2021.
 

EugW

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Uh, people, you realize Apple can release more than one laptop at a time right?

I used to have an 11.6" MacBook Air and then switched to a 13.3" model. The bigger screen was such a huge improvement. No matter how amazing the 12" will be, I'm not going back to a smaller screen.
I switched from a 13.3" to a 12". I much prefer the 12".

The 11.6" MacBook Air kinda sucked though. Crappy screen in comparison.
 

JohnnyGo

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Don’t give up !

The new 13” can be in similar size / weight to the old 12” MacBook because of smaller bezels / battery
 

aednichols

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I don’t think the 12” is coming back.

The target user is someone who wants ultimate portability and doesn’t really care about performance. I doubt very many in that audience skipped it because it was too slow. That ultraportable, one-port market was simply too small, and fixing the performance won’t make it any larger.
 

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The 11.6" MacBook Air kinda sucked though. Crappy screen in comparison.
Curiously, rumors said that the 11.6" MacBook Air was actually the most popular device for Apple employees who were able to choose what device they could select as their primary work device.

Extend that device with a USB hub, external keyboard, pointing device, monitor, etc., and it behaves well enough for most corporate tasks.

That's right, Apple killed off a Mac that many of their own employees loved. The fanless 12" MacBook apparently had a similar corporate following.
 

EugW

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Curiously, rumors said that the 11.6" MacBook Air was actually the most popular device for Apple employees who were able to choose what device they could select as their primary work device.

Extend that device with a USB hub, external keyboard, pointing device, monitor, etc., and it behaves well enough for most corporate tasks.

That's right, Apple killed off a Mac that many of their own employees loved. The fanless 12" MacBook apparently had a similar corporate following.
It was popular because it was the cheapest.

Unfortunately the 12” wasn’t similarly cheap. The 13” MacBook Air was actually cheaper.
 

Yebubbleman

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1. There are absolutely no chassi-leaks for a 12-inch model
2. The China times leak of a 12-inch MacBook with an A14X is suspect. It’s already known that the silicon macs will share a new family of chips. Even if they’ll use an A14X, they’d likely rename it for the sake of consistency.
3. Several leakers such as l0vetodream and Mark Gurman have suggested that the first model would be a 13-inch MacBook. People who’ve claimed the opposite have not had a good track-record and may simply be guessing. Take Komiya as an example.

Is there any fault in my arguments? What are the arguments to the contrary?

I don't think so. Your logic is sound, checks out, and the only counters that I've read anywhere to this aren't based off of leaks, probability, or anything that isn't the pleas of 12" MacBook fanboys/fangirls who are posting their own wants rather than what is actually likely to happen and not understanding the difference between the former and the latter.

Remember a 13" might be a 12" with reduced bevels (ala 15"->16" MBP).

The size of the 12" was too small for the vast majority of customers (hence why Apple no longer has anything that small). It would make more sense to use the body of the 13" to reduce bezels to get 14" than it would to create a new smaller 13".

Just give us a 12", a 14", and a 16".

MacBook mini, MacBook, MacBook Pro.

Or would that be too simple?

The frame of the 12" is too small and really doesn't allow for sufficient connectivity. So, I would say it's unlikely. Much more likely is 13.3", 14.0", 16.0" for Air, lower-end Pro, higher-end Pro. Though, 14" isn't coming out tomorrow. That's a next year thing.

Not too simple - but it does make too much sense for Apple green-light.

Not too simple. Just not too likely.

Imagine however that they do release a small MacBook that deserves the label of being “the future of MacBooks“. Compact, with excellent battery life, potentially passively cooled and as fas or faster than laptops like the 13” XPS. I think that would send a very strong message about the Mac.

Small isn't the defining feature of any "future of MacBooks".

Unpopular opinion: the 1st gen of ARM Macs is going to be composed of new internals in a recycled chassis just like the 1st generation of Intel Macs.

I mean, that's so likely, it's worth gambling a small island on. It's also the most sensible thing for Apple to do. Though, I'd argue that there will be new designs (iMac) and possibly a few product line mergers that will occur here. Remember, the 12" PowerBook G4 and the iBook G4s merged into the polycarbonate MacBooks while the eMac never made it over (and was effectively replaced by an educational-only iGPU-only version of the 17" iMac). The product lineup may see shifts the likes of which we haven't seen since the PowerPC to Intel switch 15 years ago.

Not unpopular at all, every reliable rumor has suggested this and it makes perfect sense, the nice thing is even recycled if history repeats the MacBook Pro/Air should get a tad thinner like the MBP with Core Duo did.

We might see a little bit of thinness this time around, but I wouldn't bank on too much. The keyboard will eventually be the limiting factor again...

I could not disagree with you more.
1) the greatest advantage of Apple Silicon is better battery life
2) it will free Apple to reduce battery size in certain models
3) what laptop benefits the most of a smaller battery? The ultraportable!

MacBook is available. Apple likes its history and will reuse the name keeping the brand refreshed. No need to use MacBook Air.

I wish they go 12” and 14”. But I am positive the 12” is coming.

The processor and its performance per watt inefficiencies were only two of the reasons why the 12" MacBook was discontinued in favor of the 2018-2020 MacBook Air (which was, for all intents and purposes, its direct successor).

Because of exactly all the failures due to Intel chips in the 12" Macbook, it would be the perfect product show case how they now "got it right" thanks to AS. I am an owner of the original 2015 Macbook 12" model, but I don't think it will happen. I think Apple will point at the iPad pro as the replacement for the Macbook.

Apple IS looking to show that Apple Silicon is better performing than Intel. However, they are looking to do so in as like-for-like fashion as possible so as to encourage the media, their customers, and the stock market that this is a net positive move to be making to the Macintosh lineup.

Did anyone really expect a 12- or 14-inch model?

Months ago, we saw the 13" battery certified by KTR, 3C, and UL Demko. It has the exact same form factor as the existing 13" Air.

THANK YOU! Been saying this since the leak was first publicized! 12" MacBook talk is entirely fanboy/fangirl based in origin.

Don’t give up !

The new 13” can be in similar size / weight to the old 12” MacBook because of smaller bezels / battery

No, please give up. It's not going to happen. Sorry.
 
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thingstoponder

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The push for ARM chips will continue into other models, with the analyst suggesting all-new Mac models will be equipped with the chips from 2021. "We estimate that all Mac models will switch to ARM in 12-18 months," said Kuo, adding an "all-new form-factor design MacBook" model will head into mass production in the second half of 2021.
Thanks. We’ll see. I don’t take that statement to for sure mean a 12” MacBook, but who knows. I feel these reporters will often be a little vague to protect themselves. Second half of 2021 also lines up with the rumored redesign for the MacBook Pro so it could be that.

Curiously, rumors said that the 11.6" MacBook Air was actually the most popular device for Apple employees who were able to choose what device they could select as their primary work device.

Extend that device with a USB hub, external keyboard, pointing device, monitor, etc., and it behaves well enough for most corporate tasks.

That's right, Apple killed off a Mac that many of their own employees loved. The fanless 12" MacBook apparently had a similar corporate following.
I would assume people getting free laptops would be more likely to get a more niche small laptop than people who are forking out full price when they can get a 13.3” for $100 more. Random speculation though. If it was so popular I don’t see why they would have killed it.
 
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playtech1

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The size of the 12" was too small for the vast majority of customers (hence why Apple no longer has anything that small). It would make more sense to use the body of the 13" to reduce bezels to get 14" than it would to create a new smaller 13".


I think the size itself is fine - in my view the 12 inch was dropped because Apple has a competing option in the iPad Pro, which is far more profitable for Apple (walled garden App store, proprietary accessories, Apple designed CPU), so Apple's incentive was to push the iPad Pro as its mini computer rather than the actual mini computer it was selling.
 

chad.petree

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I don't think so. Your logic is sound, checks out, and the only counters that I've read anywhere to this aren't based off of leaks, probability, or anything that isn't the pleas of 12" MacBook fanboys/fangirls who are posting their own wants rather than what is actually likely to happen and not understanding the difference between the former and the latter.



The size of the 12" was too small for the vast majority of customers (hence why Apple no longer has anything that small). It would make more sense to use the body of the 13" to reduce bezels to get 14" than it would to create a new smaller 13".



The frame of the 12" is too small and really doesn't allow for sufficient connectivity. So, I would say it's unlikely. Much more likely is 13.3", 14.0", 16.0" for Air, lower-end Pro, higher-end Pro. Though, 14" isn't coming out tomorrow. That's a next year thing.



Not too simple. Just not too likely.



Small isn't the defining feature of any "future of MacBooks".



I mean, that's so likely, it's worth gambling a small island on. It's also the most sensible thing for Apple to do. Though, I'd argue that there will be new designs (iMac) and possibly a few product line mergers that will occur here. Remember, the 12" PowerBook G4 and the iBook G4s merged into the polycarbonate MacBooks while the eMac never made it over (and was effectively replaced by an educational-only iGPU-only version of the 17" iMac). The product lineup may see shifts the likes of which we haven't seen since the PowerPC to Intel switch 15 years ago.



We might see a little bit of thinness this time around, but I wouldn't bank on too much. The keyboard will eventually be the limiting factor again...



The processor and its performance per watt inefficiencies were only two of the reasons why the 12" MacBook was discontinued in favor of the 2018-2020 MacBook Air (which was, for all intents and purposes, its direct successor).



Apple IS looking to show that Apple Silicon is better performing than Intel. However, they are looking to do so in as like-for-like fashion as possible so as to encourage the media, their customers, and the stock market that this is a net positive move to be making to the Macintosh lineup.



THANK YOU! Been saying this since the leak was first publicized! 12" MacBook talk is entirely fanboy/fangirl based in origin.



No, please give up. It's not going to happen. Sorry.
Why are you destroying my hopes of getting a 14" macbook pro today, come on apple every other highend windows laptop looks better than the macbook pro...
 

aednichols

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We now have the 13" fanless MacBook Air with the M1.

It is now even harder to differentiate a fanless 12".

The best chance I see is if the next major redesign totally changes up the sizes, as happened with the iBook to MacBook transition.
 

leftyMac

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We now have the 13" fanless MacBook Air with the M1.

It is now even harder to differentiate a fanless 12".

The best chance I see is if the next major redesign totally changes up the sizes, as happened with the iBook to MacBook transition.
If they can reduce the bezel size, they might be able to keep the display size of 13” in a smaller body, closer to the 12” MB, and call it a new 13” MacBook Air in 2021.
 

aednichols

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If they can reduce the bezel size, they might be able to keep the display size of 13” in a smaller body, closer to the 12” MB, and call it a new 13” MacBook Air in 2021.
I actually feel like the current Air industrial design will be with us for a while.

It was only introduced in 2018, and designs usually stick around for four years at least.

If the notebook line starts going touchscreen and/or Mini LED, it will happen with the Pros first and the Air will be a number of years behind. Just look at how long it took for the Air to go retina.
 
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