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cogzero

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Whatever you choose as a laptop/tablet, I would also invest in good ergonomics at home (good chair, decent monitor, comfy keyboard, etc.)

Above all else, invest in the best bed mattress possible! Good sleep will be paramount šŸ˜.
 

avro707

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Would be using outside as well so screen brightness matters.

I have M2 Macbook Air 15" with 16GB RAM and 1TB storage, it's a good machine for my needs which are probably more demanding than yours.

Maybe you can get Education discount.

The MacBook Air 15" isn't too heavy - screen is good as well. Stay away from the "midnight" colour, it shows fingerprints and marks almost as bad as klavierlack in cars. Unless you are fastidious it will look horrible quickly.

Good noise cancelling headphones if you don't have them already are a godsend.
 
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DoesItReallyMatter

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College admin here and a former college dad.

I'd recommend a small and lightweight laptop (MacBook Air, Surface Pro, etc.) as your base unit. You will be carrying it everywhere so portability is key. Don't cheap out on 8GB RAM, but no need to go crazy either. Most importantly, do get a 27" monitor, keyboard, and mouse/trackpad for the dorm/apt for writing. When writing, you need space for several windows on the screen at the same time. Even as a finance major, you will be doing a LOT of writing.

I'd not recommend an iPad - for now. The process of taking handwritten notes and then rewriting them/reorganizing them is one of the most effective ways to study. If after a semester or two you feel an iPad would be helpful, then go for it, but don't feel you need it immediately.

The Apple education discount and back-to-school promotion are almost always less expensive than purchasing refurbished, so go that route and buy new. Get AppleCare (or similar). If something goes wrong, you need it fixed ASAP.

As for watching YouTube or whatever, I'm not sure size matters that much. There will also be someplace where you watch stuff with others on a larger screen when needed. Again, I'd prioritize portability and battery life. IMO, the choice between a 13" or 15" is more about your writing style than viewing style.

iOS vs Windows is a decision you will need to assess. Most colleges ensure any required apps work on both platforms - but your school may be different. I see plenty of Macs in the business school, but it is a Windows-orientated major. I guarantee there will be at least one scraggly bearded guy in there with some Unix distro as well :). As many have said above, call the department and ask if they have a recommendation. Ask the advisors and other office staff. They know all the ins and outs and are usually super easy to talk with.

Most importantly, study hard and enjoy!

[Edit to add. Good, comfortable, noise-canceling headphones are absolutely needed!]
 
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Some great advice on this thread. Mine would be
1) wait to discuss needs with faculty
2) Macs are doable as much technical software is accessed on the web
3) iPad + Apple Pencil + Good Notes work really well if handwritten notes are going to be a thing. Maths + Engineering type courses.
 

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Are you are seriously recommending OP buy a ten year old computer with opencore patcher at the time when they are most dependent on a reliable computer?
Who said anything about OpenCoreLegacy? Mojave runs just fine on any intel Mac from 2012 to 2019 (mostly). (I loathe and despise all the OSes from Catalina onward, so have little reason to desire using OCL anyway.) And Mint, PopOS!, and plenty of other Linux distros will run just fine on "old" Macs. The MBP'14 had (or at least mine has) 16gb ram, a 500gb SSD, three USB3 ports, a DVD drive, and an HDMI port (grabbed a used 50" smart-TV off FBM for $40 to use as a monitor). Unlike the M-series laptops, everything inside is user-serviceabe. Buy a USBC-USB3 plug for ten bucks when and if you finally need one for something.
Iā€™m afraid Iā€™d disagree with much of this advice. Iā€˜m a professor at a university, you really donā€™t need more machine than the college recommends. 16GB of RAM is never a bad idea, but saying minimum 24 seems overkill for what most students do. Unless business finance relies heavily on specific software, youā€™re probably better off saving money for a larger screen for spreadsheets and trading software* than blowing money on an overpowered laptop. Iā€™m not sure what you mean that you shouldnā€™t ā€œcheap out,ā€ whatā€™s the point in spending money on extra GPU cores youā€™ll never use, or 96GB of RAM to take notes, watch YouTube videos, and crunch numbers? How will a Max help a student managing large excel files?
Listen to the preacher-man. You do not need a dragster to get the groceries. 98% of students and 97-and-a-half% of faculty would give you a blank stare if you asked them what requires the most horsepower from a computer. (Answer: graphic-rendering. Virtually nothing else requires even a tenth of the oomph. So, if you're not ripping blu-rays or massaging 4k video, literally anything from a pawn-shop will do...well, maybe not from a pawn-shop.) 16gb is nice if your desktop machine has a rotational-drive; 8gb is plenty in a laptop with an SSD. (Tip: delete any Adobe, Microsoft, and Google stuff out of the Library > Launch folders. Reprise: do not buy subscription-model software.)

(* Prof. Minghold says, "For the love of God, stay as far away from the stock-market as you possibly can. 90% of people playing it lose their ass, and half of the rest are lying. You are NOT smarter than the billionaire crooks who "paint the tape".)
 
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As a fellow business finance student. Any current Mac would do. Youā€™ll only be writing up assessments and researching. Could even suffice a Chromebook in all honestly! However, if youā€™d want an all around good device Iā€™d recommend any apple silicon Mac. Myself I got a M2 Air! I used cloud storage so storage isnā€™t a big deal for me, I did upgrade to 16GB ram but I barely notice any difference between that and my girlfriend m1 8gb for the standard tasks this degree entails. Iā€™d suggest donā€™t overspend, but also donā€™t regret. If you feel you may need more storage get more, if you feel you need more ram get more. But honestly youā€™d likely do be fine with any Mac. Maybe just get 16gb ram to be on safe side if you want as you canā€™t add more later. You donā€™t need a pro machine either really. Portability is most important
 
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ThailandToo

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Sorry business finance
Get a Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Nano. For business/finance, you want a Windows computer. CFA and MBA speaking here not the computer. Every business/finance application is available on Windows and not or worse on Mac. For example, Excel is much better on Windows. In addition, the Thinkpad keyboard is far superior. Not as bright of a display, but good enough.

More important than anything you will learn are the potential connections you will make. And make as many meaningful connections as you can. College is otherwise a very expensive waste of time for a business major nowadays. You could learn more/better by reading ten books applying yourself ans studying courses online at a fraction of the price.

DM me if you want a list of books and so on. Good luck.
 

Richu

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Sorry business finance
Get a Windows laptop if youā€™re serious about finance. Excel on Macbooks is nutered. Although youā€™ll probably not spend too much time in a professional environment so it might be flexible.

As for performance anything will do. Donā€™t worry. What you will do wonā€™t require computing power. Apple Silicon is probably very nice with the battery life and speed.

My experience - I have a mixed background (MSc engineering and economics at a top university, a fair share of finance courses included. Most of the class ended up in investment banking or management consulting as a first job) worked as management consultant at one of the big three and and worked in tech for 10 years as a CTO/CPO (programming a lot). I prefer macbooks. But not for Excel/Finance. Google sheets is OK but not for enterprise work.
 
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Richu

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What youā€™re specifying (15 inch MBP) is overkill. Itā€™s a fun gadget for sure, and if you have the means and interest - go for it. But that spec is not at all required or an advantage in your education.
 

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Dating myself a bit but my college machine was a 12" iBook and it was definitely worth the smaller screen for greater portability.
Dating myself a bit but my college machine as a 9ā€ Macintosh SE with two floppy drives. I couldnā€™t afford a hard disk drive.
 

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As others have mentioned...

Seeing that it's business/finance, depending on what your school "leans to", you might possibly do better with Windows. This would be a hard choice for me, I would find Windows bewildering after 37 years on a Mac. BUT... sometimes one must use "the right tool" for the job.

If a Mac is going to be ok...
For four years...
Get NOTHING LESS than a MacBook Pro.
Get it WELL-EQUIPPED:
I'd reckon 32gb of RAM if you can afford it (otherwise, get 16/18, not sure what they have now).
Get a 1tb SSD. I believe "the base" comes with 512gb, but your needs may "grow" over the course of 4 years.

Buy this way, and even 4 years from now, you'll still have a very usable Mac.

Check school pricing -- may be best.
 

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Dating myself a bit but my college machine as a 9ā€ Macintosh SE with two floppy drives. I couldnā€™t afford a hard disk drive.
My wife had a Mac SE with a 20 meg hard drive and chock full of viruses she got at a yard sale. She kept coming back to the computer lab because there was a worker there she liked. I kept telling her how to remove the viruses, but she kept showing up anyway šŸ˜‰.

I started with an Amiga 3000 at 16 MHz and upgraded to a 4000 tower with Mac emulation, but it was pretty much DOA so I was able to reverse charges on the credit card and ended up with a 7100/66 and ram doubler.
 

profcutter

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As others have mentioned...

Seeing that it's business/finance, depending on what your school "leans to", you might possibly do better with Windows. This would be a hard choice for me, I would find Windows bewildering after 37 years on a Mac. BUT... sometimes one must use "the right tool" for the job.

If a Mac is going to be ok...
For four years...
Get NOTHING LESS than a MacBook Pro.
Get it WELL-EQUIPPED:
I'd reckon 32gb of RAM if you can afford it (otherwise, get 16/18, not sure what they have now).
Get a 1tb SSD. I believe "the base" comes with 512gb, but your needs may "grow" over the course of 4 years.

Buy this way, and even 4 years from now, you'll still have a very usable Mac.

Check school pricing -- may be best.
Umm. Why? I used a 2013 MBp with 16 gigs of RAM until 2021. I think storage is important. The horsepower of an m2 or m3 is plenty, unless they start doing hard Core Video compression, 3D rendering, or games in which case a PC is better with a 4090 anyway.

Keep in mind I was doing video editing with 4K files. I donā€™t understand why people are demanding college students in finance need more than an air.
 

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Umm. Why? I used a 2013 MBp with 16 gigs of RAM until 2021. I think storage is important. The horsepower of an m2 or m3 is plenty, unless they start doing hard Core Video compression, 3D rendering, or games in which case a PC is better with a 4090 anyway.

Keep in mind I was doing video editing with 4K files. I donā€™t understand why people are demanding college students in finance need more than an air.
It just amazes me that people phrase advice for 2024-2028 needs of a college student around statements like "I used a 2013 MBp with 16 gigs of RAM until 2021." The question is what computer product will be most future appropriate. A better statement might be something like: I used a maxed MBP 2013-2021, get a maxed 2023-2024 MBP.

That 2013 MBP was maxed out at 16 GB RAM. Apple gives us a hint as to where things are going with the fact that today's MBP max is 128 GB RAM. Mac OS and apps RAM needs have increased every year for 40 years now, and both Apple's [superb] Unified Memory Architecture and AI are very likely to exacerbate that trend. New buyers should plan accordingly for the future.

Some folks like to disdain real analysis by using the term future proofing in a denigrating way. Planning for when a box will actually be used (hint: not whatever someone did last month or last year) is simple common sense analysis.
 
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Minghold

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Get a Windows laptop if youā€™re serious about finance. Excel on Macbooks is nutered. Although youā€™ll probably not spend too much time in a professional environment so it might be flexible.
You do not need a "business" or "finance" degree, or any other multi-year waste-of-time certification to run excel. If running excel is the sort of cubicle-hell position that awaits you upon graduation, that's your cue that "higher"-education has become a monstrous scam. (Once upon a time still within the living memory of some, this sort of work was done by people called "secretaries". Job requirements were having a pleasant demeanor and not making too many typos in correspondence.)

Do not spend four years of your life and go 100+K into debt for grunt-work. Instead, go do grunt-work right now. On the job app, for education, write "Masters Degree from Hard Knocks U. in showing up on time sober with a helpful attitude," and attach a photo of yourself. (Employers care far more about those than anything else.)

More important than anything you will learn are the potential connections you will make. And make as many meaningful connections as you can.
Note that, on a campus, you will not be making those potential connections while inside a classroom, but instead everywhere else on campus. So, you could get a PT job right now near a college, then stop by after work to schmooz at various hangouts.
College is otherwise a very expensive waste of time for a business majors nowadays. You could learn more/better by reading ten books applying yourself ans studying courses online at a fraction of the price.
What he said, save for the tiny correction of replacing the word "business" with "all". (Books: see "Bachelorpad Economics" and "Worthless" by Aaron Clarey. There's PDFs and etexts of them out there awaiting the diligent searcher.) And be wary of "recruitment seminars"; those things are a pestilence.
 

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You do not need a "business" or "finance" degree, or any other multi-year waste-of-time certification to run excel. If running excel is the sort of cubicle-hell position that awaits you upon graduation, that's your cue that "higher"-education has become a monstrous scam. (Once upon a time still within the living memory of some, this sort of work was done by people called "secretaries". Job requirements were having a pleasant demeanor and not making too many typos in correspondence.)

Do not spend four years of your life and go 100+K into debt for grunt-work. Instead, go do grunt-work right now. On the job app, for education, write "Masters Degree from Hard Knocks U. in showing up on time sober with a helpful attitude," and attach a photo of yourself. (Employers care far more about those than anything else.)


Note that, on a campus, you will not be making those potential connections while inside a classroom, but instead everywhere else on campus. So, you could get a PT job right now near a college, then stop by after work to schmooz at various hangouts.

What he said, save for the tiny correction of replacing the word "business" with "all". (Books: see "Bachelorpad Economics" and "Worthless" by Aaron Clarey. There's PDFs and etexts of them out there awaiting the diligent searcher.) And be wary of "recruitment seminars"; those things are a pestilence.
Interesting take on a uni education. Personally I disagree 100%, and think that education is a worthy goal on its own that has value far more important than simple commerce. Note that part of the uni value is the exposure to a range of courses (core course requirements) and exposure to folks studying other fields of endeavor.

Sure a smart industrious self-starter can in a lifetime make more money by simply going hard after making money rather than investing time and money in a uni education. But I would argue that simplistic focus on money is not a good thing, even for those few who are smart industrious self-starters at age 17.
 

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It just amazes me that people phrase advice for 2024-2028 needs of a college student around statements like "I used a 2013 MBp with 16 gigs of RAM until 2021." The question is what computer product will be most future appropriate. A better statement might be something like: I used a maxed MBP 2013-2021, get a maxed 2024 MBP.
The most useful tool you can use is the one the manufacturer hasn't deliberately engineered with unresolvable fail-points that kick in after the warranties have expired. (Repeat for the hundreth time: Do not buy any Apple laptop made after 2015, or any device in general that requires you to be connected to an online account just to do basic office stuff.)
That 2013 MBP was maxed out at 16 GB RAM. Apple gives us a hint as to where things are going with the fact that today's MBP max is 128 GB RAM.
Where Apple wants things to go is the same as where Ford also wants them to go, and it's why dealerships are stuffed with $85,000 planned-obsolescence trucks with plastic intake-manifolds that nobody is buying.
Mac OS and apps RAM needs have increased every year for 40 years now, and both Apple's [superb] Unified Memory Architecture and AI are very likely to exacerbate that trend. New buyers should plan accordingly for the future.
They are, by staying home in droves. (Today's hobby tricks: Buy huge box full of 2011 MBPs from recycler for $10 a pop. Buy stack of used SATA SSDs from same for $2ea. Put SSDs in MBPs. Install Linux, and run 2024 LibreOffice in 4gb of ram with bleed-over into 256gb of SSD cache-memory. More ram is a luxury, but you'd be surprised how little you actually need when the operating-system and major applications aren't 90% data-mining spyware.)

That old smartphone you threw in a drawer a couple years ago has more horsepower than the "supercomputers" used to make the CGI in 1997's "The Fifth Element". Computer hardware rapidly outpaced most human ability to fully exploit it around ten years ago, and anything that seems slow today is so because it has been deliberately crippled after-the-fact by its own manufacturer, whose most common technique is engineering OS upgrades to artificially run like total crap on previous models, with Apple and Google being the pace-setters in that department (all they need to do is propagandize everyone into default-enabling auto-update, for "security", donchyaknow, and for some odd reason your rocketsled s10+ now runs like garbage on Android12 and your iPhone batteries have their lifetime halved, oh and you can't repace those yourself now. Isn't the Brave New World absolutely wunnerful?)
Interesting take on a uni education.
The #1 ulterior goal of universities from the 90's onward is student-debt creation, not education.
Personally I disagree 100%, and think that education is a worthy goal on its own that has value far more important than simple commerce.
From the '90s onward, universities are an impediment to education, not a facilitator of it. You'll learn far, far more, far quicker, on forums like this place, and there are multiple forums for every topic under the sun.
Note that part of the uni value is the exposure to a range of courses (core course requirements) and exposure to folks studying other fields of endeavor.
You don't actually need to attend classes to get "exposure" at a U.
Sure a smart industrious self-starter can in a lifetime make more money by simply going hard after making money rather than investing time and money in a uni education. But I would argue that simplistic focus on money is not a good thing, even for those few who are smart industrious self-starters at age 17.
You should join me in dissuading the OP from pursuing a 100% worthless business-finance degree. Those are pure Franklin bonfires.
 

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To my knowledge and experience (not business finance major but otherwise), I think, you should consider a ā€œPCā€ laptop. For ā€œofficeā€ tasks, Windows is more common and otherwise at least slightly at an advantage. Additionally, for college (or even as a professional) tool, having separation from personal stuff can be a benefit, in my opinion anyway. That is, keep and conduct personal stuff on one system (e.g., a Mac) and your school/work activities and data on another. I think, it helps with organization. Furthermore, especially when learning, itā€™s a lot of trial and error as well as other experimentation. That is, projects may intentionally be incomplete, teaching only one or two parts. Youā€™ll probably also try additional software, which you may never use more than once. Basically, even for the most meticulous, their work machine is going to be messy, and can require/benefit from a refresh (i.e., reinstall software) more often than a consumption/personal storage device ā€” although, cleaning/tidying any system on occasion is favorable.

Looking at tech specs and considering popular opinions (e.g., favorite brands), here are just a couple of laptops to consider:

For example:
  • Windows 11 Home
  • IntelĀ® Coreā„¢ Ultra 7 155H processor Tetradeca-core
  • IntelĀ® ARCā„¢ Graphics shared memory
  • 14" WQXGA+ (2880 x 1800) 16:10 CineCrystal (Glare) 90 Hz
  • 16 GB
  • 1 TB SSD
$999.99

How the latest Intel mobile solutions stack up:


P.S. As a reminder, keep (secure) backups of all devices. Your college/university may even provide something such as Microsoft 365, which has OneDrive, as part of your tuition.
 

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Are you are seriously recommending OP buy a ten year old computer with opencore patcher at the time when they are most dependent on a reliable computer?
Newer is not necessarily better, especially regarding display comfort and safety.

Beware of any MacBook Pros with mini-LED XDR screens. There are a multitude of reports from people (including me) who developed visual sensitivities, beginning when they started using these machines. Considering the underlying technology of how these screens are backlit (numerous ā€œzonesā€ flickering at different frequencies simultaneously), IMHO they are not a good fit for text/productivity work. Blaring whites next to pitch black darks (high contrast) can be rough on the eyes.

The LCD-based Macbook Airs (with notches) also seem to bother some people, although Iā€™m not sure why. The 13-inch MacBook Pros with touchbars, along with the 13-inch M1 MacBook Air (no notch), seem to be the last comfortable MacBook screens for productivity (for affected individuals, and those who could be affected). These machines are still available factory refurbished. Alternatively, as others mentioned, there are still viable Intel-based MacBooks available.

 
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Iā€™m afraid Iā€™d disagree with much of this advice. Iā€˜m a professor at a university, you really donā€™t need more machine than the college recommends. 16GB of RAM is never a bad idea, but saying minimum 24 seems overkill for what most students do. Unless business finance relies heavily on specific software, youā€™re probably better off saving money for a larger screen for spreadsheets and trading software than blowing money on an overpowered laptop. Iā€™m not sure what you mean that you shouldnā€™t ā€œcheap out,ā€ whatā€™s the point in spending money on extra GPU cores youā€™ll never use, or 96GB of RAM to take notes, watch YouTube videos, and crunch numbers? How will a Max help a student managing large excel files?

I mean, I teach at a self-styled ā€œeliteā€ liberal arts college, and the students have the latest Pro Max iphones, but most are happy with 13 inch MacBook airs that they bling out with covers and stickers. A large laptop is a rarity, and most of them just use the labs if they have need of any major computing power. Even so, a MacBook Air can do most of what they need, and if youā€™re using things like GIS, you need a PC or remote access anyway. Even if youā€™re doing film studies, an iPad with Davinci can do 99 percent of what you need, and you can use the labs for that last 1 percent that youā€™re doing with partners anyway.
As a prof you should know better than to assume that what worked in 2023 will be appropriate in 2027+, which is the time frame specified by the OP. Even if you are teaching LA courses (which I do not denigrate) you should read up on Apple's [superb] Unified Memory Architecture and also on where AI seems to be going.

Apple gives us a hint as to where things are going with the fact that today's MBP max is 128 GB RAM. Mac OS and apps RAM needs have increased every year for 40 years now. New buyers should plan accordingly, for the future.
 
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Richu

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Interesting take on a uni education. Personally I disagree 100%, and think that education is a worthy goal on its own that has value far more important than simple commerce. Note that part of the uni value is the exposure to a range of courses (core course requirements) and exposure to folks studying other fields of endeavor.

Sure a smart industrious self-starter can in a lifetime make more money by simply going hard after making money rather than investing time and money in a uni education. But I would argue that simplistic focus on money is not a good thing, even for those few who are smart industrious self-starters at age 17.
Off topic though. Heā€™s asking for equipment advice. Thereā€™s probably another forum for the best life choices, with as many opinions as there are participants :)
 
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Newer is not necessarily better, especially regarding display comfort and safety. Beware of any MacBook Pros with mini-LED XDR screens. There are a multitude of reports from people (including me) who developed visual sensitivities, beginning when they started using these machines. Considering the underlying technology of how these screens are backlit (numerous ā€œzonesā€ flickering at different frequencies simultaneously), IMHO they are not a good fit for text/productivity work. Blaring whites next to pitch black darks (high contrast) can be rough on the eyes.

The LCD-based Macbook Airs (with notches) also seem to bother some people, although Iā€™m not sure why. The 13-inch MacBook Pros with touchbars, along with the 13-inch M1 MacBook Air (no notch), seem to be the last comfortable MacBook screens for productivity (for affected individuals, and those who could be affected). These machines are still available factory refurbished. Alternatively, as others mentioned, there are still viable Intel-based MacBooks available.
Same goes for iMacs: the 2009-2014 standard 1440p 2K displays were a pleasure to use (the 27" Thundrbolt monitors had the same resolution), but the Retinas that followed were too harsh for many, and the XDRs from 2019+ are even worse. The human eyeball is not mounted on a platform evolved to stoop on field-mice from a thousand feet up, and your body lets you know when it's being subjected to the visual equivalent of thrash-metal.
As a prof you should know better than to assume that what worked in 2023 will be appropriate in 2027+, which is the time frame specified by the OP. Even if you are teaching LA courses (which I do not denigrate) you should read up on Apple's [superb] Unified Memory Architecture and also on where AI seems to be going.

Apple gives us a hint as to where things are going with the fact that today's MBP max is 128 GB RAM. Mac OS and apps RAM needs have increased every year for 40 years now.
Allen, if the *professor* teaching the classes doesn't use or need or expect 128gb ram (not storage) or even an eighth of that in his own personal computer, I'm not seeing a rational argument for suggesting that he tell his students to bring in thousand-dollar high-end platforms. We're in an economic phase right now where these things are massively overpriced versus the needs required of them. You do not a dragster to get the groceries, and you do not need portable teraFLOPS to type, browse, calculate, or watch x265 rips.

Kids shouldn't buy high-end computers for the same (multiple) reasons they shouldn't buy new cars: huge upfront expense for subjectively minor performance differences, eye-melting warranty premiums, OEM blatant artificial-obsolescence mentality expressed in both OS software and hardware (witness Apple's relentless hostility toward "right to repair"), and shameless data-harvesting -- all of which subsequently means prices of new models to crater precipitously in increasingly short periods of time. OTOH, you find an immaculate pre-butterfly MBP for $150 and drop in the pool, oh well, you're only out 150.
New buyers should plan accordingly, for the future.
The future being what, four years down the road after the extended-warranty has expired, the shipped-with OS is no longer officially supported, and the impossible-to-repair-or-transfer soldered-on components are failing?

This "evil-big-tech" phase is, of course, unsustainable. In the meantime, avoid their new offerings while awaiting corporate ethical adjustment...or replacement.
 
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To my knowledge and experience (not business finance major but otherwise), I think, you should consider a ā€œPCā€ laptop.

(snip)
  • Windows 11 Home
  • IntelĀ® Coreā„¢ Ultra 7 155H processor Tetradeca-core
  • IntelĀ® ARCā„¢ Graphics shared memory
  • 14" WQXGA+ (2880 x 1800) 16:10 CineCrystal (Glare) 90 Hz
  • 16 GB
  • 1 TB SSD
$999.99
Aside from the 1 TB now being an SSD, that's not much bang for the buck -- its near the same resolution (2560 x 1600) and RAM of a 2014 MBP (larger screen), but with improvements in processor and circuitry speed disappearing down the maw of Microsoft's greatly-increased telemetry. And Win11 is and remains a horrible operating-system.
P.S. As a reminder, keep (secure) backups of all devices. Your college/university may even provide something such as Microsoft 365, which has OneDrive, as part of your tuition.
In other words, pay a subscription for the privilege of backing up to someone else's hard-drive array (that being exactly what the "cloud" is: your stuff on the NSA's server-farm out in Utah or wherever; this is the very antonym of "secure".) Better: learn how to make a bootable backup of your laptop's drive to a USB external.
 

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Interesting take on a uni education. Personally I disagree 100%, and think that education is a worthy goal on its own that has value far more important than simple commerce. Note that part of the uni value is the exposure to a range of courses (core course requirements) and exposure to folks studying other fields of endeavor.

Sure a smart industrious self-starter can in a lifetime make more money by simply going hard after making money rather than investing time and money in a uni education. But I would argue that simplistic focus on money is not a good thing, even for those few who are smart industrious self-starters at age 17.
Education can be earned anywhere now. Used to be it was only available at a college. But the truth is one can read books and get a better education, and like the other poster said get a part-time job near a university and develop relationships.

Although, I think the strongest relationships come through fraternities and sororities. Those are people bonded for life and can always call on each other. If anything thatā€™s the in.

30 years ago college was it, unless one wanted to be a laborer. Now, college really is for those who need it like potential doctors, maybe attorneys and CPAs. But look why do I need a Master in Accounting to be a CPA? If I can go pass the test thatā€™s all it should take. The universities have scammed many of people.

The other thing is universities are mostly bought out now and theyā€™re shills for sending political messages and indoctrination that isnā€™t beneficial for society.
 

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Off topic though. Heā€™s asking for equipment advice. Thereā€™s probably another forum for the best life choices, with as many opinions as there are participants :)
Partially true. But I have the advice originally that led to that and I started with a THINKPAD is better for business majors.

And I think if someone is asking for advice, they can take what the person is saying in relation to that advice. If they canā€™t, just ignore it.

People are always concerned too much about stuff as someone who has been through it, I wouldnā€™t waste $0.02 on a college course today. I can get a better education by taking a course focused on what it is that I want to do. In a college, you take a bunch of crap courses that have nothing to do with the major. Most of it isnā€™t necessary and a lot of it isnā€™t good for oneā€™s outlook on life and indoctrination is par for the course at most of these universities. Itā€™s sad.
 
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