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Sorry for the question.....

Can i get this right....

Do you or dot you wish to have an apple, not neccessarily THE apple logo in your logo?

Again sorry if you have explained this i am obviously missing something?:confused:
 
Sorry for the question.....

Can i get this right....

Do you or dot you wish to have an apple, not neccessarily THE apple logo in your logo?

Agian sorry if you have explained this i am obviously missing something?:confused:

You can put an apple in the logo if you chose but not one that resembles 'THE APPLE' logo if that makes sense. :)
 
to leviG

give the guy a break.....

most companies design their own logo or employ someone to do so......

this way the company can get their logo for a nice price, something that suits both parties.....

their doesnt have to be any copyright issues involved here.... unless the final design is used without the designers permission.

example... say you have a friend design you a logo for your business/store/etc do you go into a long legal cycle of who owns what or do you give him/her a gift and agree that the company can use the logo and own its copyright should it need to raise the issue in a proper legal battle...

friends get the same deal as a client does in business - a rule of business (for me anyways) is friends don't make you money, clients do. And I would take a friend to court if they owed me money for work which I have done for them - if they're a friend they wouldn't get that far in the first place.

The op has already said they want the copyright of the chosen design, now the cynic (sp?) in me says who says the op can't look at all the designs and then think ooohhh I like that one but I prefer the text on that one, do a quick cut and paste type job, rework in photoshop or whatever, and then not pay for the job because there was no winner, even though there was a lot of work done by various people.

As to both parties getting a good deal, no, the op will get the better deal, as I said £200 for corporate identity is very very cheap. And as such I feel that anyone doing this should be aware that the op is trying to get several thousand pounds worth of design done for the price of an ipod.

I would quite happily work on the design if I could invoice for my time on it but unfortunately time costs money.

Do it yourself or employing someone to do it - yeah thats fine but running a competition isn't exactly doing it yourself or employing someone is it.

I will give the op a bit of credit though, they have offered something in return, something a lot of people don't do on forums.

However I am happy to give a young budding designer a chance to add a company to their portfolio and to get something in return. There is nothing to say that by paying £2000 I will get a better design than one from a student for less money. Besides your prices seem rather inflated as I am not running the Olympics and my market research suggests that most established designers charge £350-£500 for a logo.

I agree paying 2k will not necessarily get you a good design (look at the olympics). I also think it fair that people know what the work is worth. The olympics was an example of what it can cost for a larger company type design.

A logo can be as cheap as £350-500 but you're technically (or atleast in my view) asking for a corporate identity which is different to a logo. You're also asking for the copyright to be transferred to you which I would nearly guarantee is not included in that price.
 
LeviG

I apologise if my last response seemed a little rude.

I understand you point and i agree..... hopefully nothing sinister would happen in regards to copyright here..... and if it did then im sure the archived pages and digital copyrights would suffice in a legal battle.

Are you a graphic designer by profession?

I just passed this and thought hey what the hell i'll see what i can do.... im not gonna spend hours of the day working on a design... and im sure the op doesnt expect that either....

this is just a nice friendly way of two parties getting something they want for little effort...... (not that i put little effort into my work!)

Best of luck to all
 
friends get the same deal as a client does in business - a rule of business (for me anyways) is friends don't make you money, clients do. And I would take a friend to court if they owed me money for work which I have done for them - if they're a friend they wouldn't get that far in the first place.

The op has already said they want the copyright of the chosen design, now the cynic (sp?) in me says who says the op can't look at all the designs and then think ooohhh I like that one but I prefer the text on that one, do a quick cut and paste type job, rework in photoshop or whatever, and then not pay for the job because there was no winner, even though there was a lot of work done by various people.

As to both parties getting a good deal, no, the op will get the better deal, as I said £200 for corporate identity is very very cheap. And as such I feel that anyone doing this should be aware that the op is trying to get several thousand pounds worth of design done for the price of an ipod.

I would quite happily work on the design if I could invoice for my time on it but unfortunately time costs money.

Do it yourself or employing someone to do it - yeah thats fine but running a competition isn't exactly doing it yourself or employing someone is it.

I will give the op a bit of credit though, they have offered something in return, something a lot of people don't do on forums.

Can we see your website for some examples of your work and why you think you are worth far more than the other designers out there. What do you charge for a logo? If you don't have a website can we see some of your clients websites? I would be happy to have you design out new website if your work is good enough. As we are looking for a web designer to maintain our site for us.
 
I do think that your brief is far too open at this point....

So far you have said you would like a logo associated with the word core, which is your trading name.....

You have also said it open in terms of use of AN APPLE (not THE APPLE).....

So basically you want a logo no boundaries on the design and possibly a graphic to suit the 'CORE' logo???

Does anyone out there get what i mean...... the brief is far far far too open..... please can you give some examples of the kind of thing you would like because like someone said earlier there is no point in people throwing you ideas for you to respond with a simple yes or no... that would take far too long...................................................

I do think you need to set a time limit too as people will just get bored and stop caring if they dont know when to expect a result.
 
To everyone, I'm not meaning to diss the op etc in anyway but I still feel that people who probably arent fully aware of the field and only do this for fun should be aware of how much the work is really worth. If people think its worth entering for an ipod, good luck to all of you.

I do have a website (think its in my profile but I'm currently in the process of revamping it, needs updating cos I'm not 100% happy with it now - typical desinger really always tweaking) but the work I specialise in is not graphic/web design (even though listed on site) per say, its more 3d design and rendering. I do sometimes venture into other disciplines but its not my main source of income so to speak but if a client needs it doing I can generally do it. I also have a non disclosure policy as standard in regards all work which I do, saves any hassle and backlash if things get out before they're supposed to - its not my fault :)

As to my prices - I'm actually cheaper than my local competition when doing graphic orientated work and am very competitively priced in my main field of 3D (actually think I'm cheaper than average there too). My prices depend on what the client wants doing, sometimes it can be something simple and it will take literally say an hour so its fairly cheap, but if the client is going to want several alterations doing its going to take time and as such cost more money.

I'm not going to list prices or anything on here as I don't think forums are the right place for advertising companies directly but if I was to do the op work I would expect it to take around 1-3 days, allowing for alterations, initial concepts, meetings to discuss the design that sort of thing. If the copyright was to be signed over then there would be a compensatory charge (contracts exchanged etc), not excessive but a fair charge in relation to the rest of the work. Reasoning being is that the logo you design can be used on an infinite number of things, you've got all the stationary, bags, mugs, mouse mats, you know anything that can have a logo or picture added on (this is why I see it more as a corp identity than just a logo)

For me if you do design for a living the work you produce for your client speaks as much about you as it does about them but you always have to put the client first, you can't always like all the designs clients want.
 
Are you a graphic designer by profession?

I am. For over twenty years now... I'm not entering the competition (don't need the work) but I am taking an interest in this thread and later down the line, may be able to help the OP organise some things related to it.

I agree with LeviG that the way it's currently framed, it's the core of a corporate identity job. However, for the right person the incentive of an iPod or AppleTV is reward enough and the motives sound fair.

Please let's not derail the thread with discussions of suitable fees and individual's working practices.
 
OK I'll jump in...
Forums are a fine place, with the correct legalities in place, to find a logo. For example <http://gfxcontests.com/index.html?referrerid=2> is a professional place where many find logos and corporate identities.

I've created logos for the past 15 years. I've been paid $0 to $1500. If someone on this board wishes to receive an iPod or Apple TV for payment, so be it. It's their choice. If you don't feel this is enough, don't submit anything. It's a good opportunity for a new graphic artist to add to their portfolio. I know I had to fight for legit work and examples for years.

@OP
another thing to specify is the logo should be in Vector form, such as Adobe Illustrator. Vector allows the image to be resized with distortion. This is good because you plan to use it in so many different mediums.
Another stipulation should be NO PMing artwork - 1) it will prove submission 2) there will be proof of individuality (so there are no duplicates or look-a-likes)

I'll see what I come up with. I'm all for helping a young budding company and fellow entrepreneur.
 
@Andy,

I'm tending to lean towards very stylised core images. This is not a logo but it's the direction I'm thinking. What do you think. Edit, not these colours either. I'd go for a kodak type yellow to represent knowledge.
 

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@Andy,

I'm tending to lean towards very stylised core images. This is not a logo but it's the direction I'm thinking. What do you think. Edit, not these colours either. I'd go for a kodak type yellow to represent knowledge.

This has a Wimbledon tennis feel to it :)

Again do you think a black, white and silver version would be practical?

The last two designs are great ideas and thanks for submitting them.
 
Hmmm....not sure.
Since he has stated he is an authorized reseller and all.
I know of a "local" reseller here who incorporates the image in his logo.
Not as blatantly as in my example, but I'm not sure what the restrictions are.
The OP did leave it wide open as far as logo issues though and this was the first thing that came to mind.

WRC
 
Not a prob.
Just will be leaving the office for the day in a bit.
What is your time frame on all of this?

WRC
 
Not a prob.
Just will be leaving the office for the day in a bit.
What is your time frame on all of this?

WRC

I think I will let it run until next weekend. But I am going to revise the post this evening to make it a little clearer then I will try and get a shortlist voted by the macrumors users when I will make a final decision.

Good luck and thank you again.
 
Here's mine. If you like it I can clean it up, try to smooth up some of the curves, or maybe pull the C out some and make it smaller.. this is (potentially) your logo man, thoughts?
 

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I always stay away from copying corp. logos. It's cheaper that way.
 
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