iPhone 14 Pro Max Consider the 14 Plus Over the 14 Pro Max....

[The Game 161]

This is pretty unfair because there hasn't been a phone this size outside of the pro line. I also don't get the comparison to the 13 pro max as Apple doesn't sell it anymore and a lot of people aren't going to want to buy it on the used market. Comparing this to the 14 PM, which is what it should be compared against, there are reasons to buy it. For myself it's the lower weight, the better viewing of widescreen content, and the fact that its cheaper.

Some people don't need the telephoto lens or the fast refresh rate. This is actually one of the lightest phones of its size, which matters to some people.

Who cares if Apple don’t sell it anymore? Apple aren’t the only place to buy phones. Even if you don’t want to buy used plenty sell it

Doesn’t matter what people don’t use or say they don’t use it’s about value for money. I also don’t buy the whole don’t notice pro motion it’s clear as day with vs without. Why would people not want a smoother display? People buying the 14 plus are getting conned for the price it costs

 

[Dsmith7]

Who cares if Apple don’t sell it anymore? Apple aren’t the only place to buy phones. Even if you don’t want to buy used plenty sell it

Doesn’t matter what people don’t use or say they don’t use it’s about value for money. I also don’t buy the whole don’t notice pro motion it’s clear as day with vs without. Why would people not want a smoother display? People buying the 14 plus are getting conned for the price

 

[Gartysparty]

Who cares if Apple don’t sell it anymore? Apple aren’t the only place to buy phones. Even if you don’t want to buy used plenty sell it

Doesn’t matter what people don’t use or say they don’t use it’s about value for money. I also don’t buy the whole don’t notice pro motion it’s clear as day with vs without. Why would people not want a smoother display? People buying the 14 plus are getting conned for the price it costs

In the US it's Carriers, Apple or a big box store like Best Buy to get a new phone. I don't know any average non tech geek person that goes to Ebay or Swappa or a second hand source to buy phones. Speaking for the average consumer, the 13 pro Max is no longer an option to buy and is ridiculous to compare as a value proposition in my opinion.

 

[4sallypat]

Personally, the regular iPhone 14 series and even the Plus are a very poor value, especially when you can pay a few hundred more for a Pro model with more features. What makes it even a poor value is that it uses the same A15 SOC, which is already 1 year old along with the same cameras. This possibly mean it will get one year less of updates. The 14 is just a 13, but slightly improved, which makes it very unattractive for those who already own a 13 or even a 12. With Apple killing the mini model, there is no compelling reason to get the regular model when the 14 Pro models is $200 more. The Pro models if you upgrade every three years feel like an upgrade. The regular models, not so much, or can even be a downgrade due to cheaper build quality (SS on the Pros vs Aluminum on the regular models)

That is why the 14 Pro models, if you tend to keep your phone 3 years or more is worth it. That is why I tend to gravitate to the Pro models since the additional features more worth it in the long run, even if you don’t need it now.

Why would you say that ?

14 Plus is great value to ME.

I am not the techie / geeky / specs obsessed OCD type of person so a 14 Pro does not make sense for me as I never need those extra features.

I don't care if the processor is better or faster, I buy based on features that I use.

Coming from a 12 Pro, the 14 Plus is a much better phone for my aging eyes (larger screen), longer life (battery), lightweight (important as I carry 2 phones on my belt), and has SOS emergency which is the primary reason I got it.

I don't care about video and picture stuff - Pros might be good for you social media, video editors and photographers but I'll take my DSLR if I need good photos....

 

[The Game 161]

In the US it's Carriers, Apple or a big box store like Best Buy to get a new phone. I don't know any average non tech geek person that goes to Ebay or Swappa or a second hand source to buy phones. Speaking for the average consumer, the 13 pro Max is no longer an option to buy and is ridiculous to compare as a value proposition in my opinion.

Think you will find many people do buy 2nd hand otherwise it wouldn’t be used or promoted .Best buy is a rather big retailer to buy from.

And it’s certainly not ridiculous when there’s options to buy the phone which people should do if they can rather than get the 14 plus.

 

[kp98077]

Hi, after some hours with 14 plus (after returning 14PM and coming from 11PM) I’m just in the point I thought I was going to be. No promotion is assumable as barely noticeable in this screen size, I prefer notch over DI watching videos, don’t mind to not have AOD. The problem is that I miss telephoto and having further zoom…

Do you miss anything else on the 14pm? Screen clarity?

 

[kp98077]

I want to ha r one smaller phone and one large any suggestion?
-14 pro and 14+?
It’s fir different use cases where I don’t want weight.
Or 14 pro and 14 PM

 

[joshwithachance]

If it had 120Hz it would be worth it. But paying nearly $1000 (after taxes) for a 60Hz display and dual camera at the end of 2022 feels like a scam...

 

[Gartysparty]

Think you will find many people do buy 2nd hand otherwise it wouldn’t be used or promoted .Best buy is a rather big retailer to buy from.

And it’s certainly not ridiculous when there’s options to buy the phone which people should do if they can rather than get the 14 plus.

They aren’t being made anymore. Best Buy will be out of them soon if not already. Your average consumer isn’t upgrading second hand. I never said there wasn’t a second hand market but it’s ridiculous to trash the value of a new phone compared to a phone that very soon will only be able to be gotten second hand.

 

[joscejrod]

Do you miss anything else on the 14pm? Screen clarity?

Screen brightness is so good in 14 plus that you’re not going to miss extra brightness of 14 PM. In fact, there are some reviews in youtube that believe brightness reached by 14 plus is higher than apple’s numbers say.

Anyway, more conclusions after 24h with iphone 14 plus:

It’s impossible that anyone could say that weight difference between 14 plus and 14 PM is not noticeable. 6,7” in almost 200gr is for sure a solid reason to buy this model.
And as bonus, Battery life is enormous.

I’m missing telephoto much more that I thought. The problem is I already had 2x optical zoom in 11 PM (10x digital zoom) and now I’d be restricted to 1x optical zoom (5x digital zoom)… I use the phone to work sometimes and I need to take picture in detail about some objects that not always let me to be enough close.

Finally, what a shame that Apple don’t make the top of the line iphone in aluminum to save weight. I’m really annoyed that any of new 4 models covers my needs with a big gripe.

14> too small screen and lack of telephoto.
14pro>too small screen and much worse battery than current 11 PM
14 plus> lack of telephoto
14 PM>uncomfortable* to use and carry due to excessive weight (and DI more annoying than notch to watch widescreen video)

*note: after this analysis, I want to highlight other key factor for me. Shape of the phones from 12 PM are more uncomfortable to me to hold in hands compared with Xs max or 11 PM designs. I hold both in hands, this 14 plus and 11 PM and beside weight is 23 gr less in 14 plus, I feel much better with 11 PM in hands.

Maybe apple could adopt rounded edges and lighter materials with 15 ultra (apart from Usb-C)

Until now, other year frustrated without a solid option to upgrade without complaints,although I had decided to expend the money required.

 

[Ryan1524]

I think 14 Plus is a sign of future pattern with Apple where the previous year Pro Max is passed down to the more affordable line. It just so happens that this is the year where it's starting to look very obvious, so there's overlap.

At the moment, it's very easy in Toronto, and I suspect many other cities, to get a brand new 13 Pro Max from 3rd party retailers. Best Buy, carriers, etc still have plenty of them. When these are gone, then yes, the 14 Plus will be the default. And the 13 Pro Max will be a rare smart buy, if you can find them.

 

[chikorita157]

Why would you say that ?

14 Plus is great value to ME.

I am not the techie / geeky / specs obsessed OCD type of person so a 14 Pro does not make sense for me as I never need those extra features.

I don't care if the processor is better or faster, I buy based on features that I use.

Coming from a 12 Pro, the 14 Plus is a much better phone for my aging eyes (larger screen), longer life (battery), lightweight (important as I carry 2 phones on my belt), and has SOS emergency which is the primary reason I got it.

I don't care about video and picture stuff - Pros might be good for you social media, video editors and photographers but I'll take my DSLR if I need good photos....
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You got to realize options are subjective, but this doesn't change my views on the 14 and 14 Plus as they are half-done compared to previous models, which makes it a bad value. The additions are so minor compared to the Pro models like with the Apple Watch Series 8 compared to the 7. The Apple Watch Ultra got the most features like with the iPhone 14 Pro and Pro Max.

14 wouldn't be a bad value if it had the A16 and an extra camera lens, but Apple obviously wants to push people to the Pro models which are $200 more than the base model. Now that they axed the Mini model, there is no reason to get any of the regular models since the price difference between the regular and pro models are small, especially if people pay in installments, which only equate to a few dollars more a month. That is why the regular 14 models are selling poorly compared to the Pro. Also, not everyone wants big phones by the way.

But yes, the 14 Pro is a bit more hefty compared to my 11 Pro, which is probably my only gripe with the 14 Pro, but it's still a good upgrade to the 11 Pro.

 

[Fred Zed]

For those concerned about the weight of the 14PM, may I suggest a trip to your local sporting goods store? There you can pick up 2, 4, 6 and 8 ounce weights so you can work your way up to the weight of the 14PM. I suggest 2 a day workouts, starting with the lightest weight. Do 10 curls per arm, and transfer the weight from hand to hand 10 times. Do 3 sets for 10 days, then move to the 4 ounce weights. Repeat until you are up to the 8 ounce weights and the 14PM will feel like a feather to you.

Tried this approach and dropped my iPhone 14PM after completing 3 sets. Didn’t realize how numb my arms felt afterwards 🤣🤣🤣

 

[Gartysparty]

You got to realize options are subjective, but this doesn't change my views on the 14 and 14 Plus as they are half-done compared to previous models, which makes it a bad value. The additions are so minor compared to the Pro models like with the Apple Watch Series 8 compared to the 7. The Apple Watch Ultra got the most features like with the iPhone 14 Pro and Pro Max.

14 wouldn't be a bad value if it had the A16 and an extra camera lens, but Apple obviously wants to push people to the Pro models which are $200 more than the base model. Now that they axed the Mini model, there is no reason to get any of the regular models since the price difference between the regular and pro models are small, especially if people pay in installments, which only equate to a few dollars more a month. That is why the regular 14 models are selling poorly compared to the Pro. Also, not everyone wants big phones by the way.

But yes, the 14 Pro is a bit more hefty compared to my 11 Pro, which is probably my only gripe with the 14 Pro, but it's still a good upgrade to the 11 Pro.

I agree on the 14 but the 14 plus is different. There wasn’t anything like it before. It has its propositions and I think now that it’s both available and up for display where phones are sold it will be a solid seller. As you said value is subjective and I don’t think anyone’s going to convince people what’s valuable or not. I have my reasons for getting the 14 plus over the pro max and I believe they are valid.

 

[4sallypat]

I agree on the 14 but the 14 plus is different. There wasn’t anything like it before. It has its propositions and I think now that it’s both available and up for display where phones are sold it will be a solid seller. As you said value is subjective and I don’t think anyone’s going to convince people what’s valuable or not. I have my reasons for getting the 14 plus over the pro max and I believe they are valid.

Ditto!

I love my 14 Plus - much better than the XS Max and 12 Pro that I had....

14+ = Good price point.
Many non techie folks are going to love this affordable phone !

I can't justify the 12 Pro price tag I paid for as I didn't use all the Pro features...

 

[kp98077]

It’s a great phone. I can hardly tell a difference w 14 PM except the light feather weight 🫣😆

 

[davedvdy]

You got to realize options are subjective, but this doesn't change my views on the 14 and 14 Plus as they are half-done compared to previous models, which makes it a bad value. The additions are so minor compared to the Pro models like with the Apple Watch Series 8 compared to the 7. The Apple Watch Ultra got the most features like with the iPhone 14 Pro and Pro Max.

14 wouldn't be a bad value if it had the A16 and an extra camera lens, but Apple obviously wants to push people to the Pro models which are $200 more than the base model. Now that they axed the Mini model, there is no reason to get any of the regular models since the price difference between the regular and pro models are small, especially if people pay in installments, which only equate to a few dollars more a month. That is why the regular 14 models are selling poorly compared to the Pro. Also, not everyone wants big phones by the way.

But yes, the 14 Pro is a bit more hefty compared to my 11 Pro, which is probably my only gripe with the 14 Pro, but it's still a good upgrade to the 11 Pro.

So if someone wants an iPhone with a 6.7" screen that is noticeably lighter than the 14 Pro Max, which iPhone should
they choose? If the overall weight of the device meant more to them than features in their buying decision?
We literally already have people considering the 14 Plus for that reason alone here.

 

[chikorita157]

So if someone wants an iPhone with a 6.7" screen that is noticeably lighter than the 14 Pro Max, which iPhone should
they choose? If the overall weight of the device meant more to them than features in their buying decision?
We literally already have people considering the 14 Plus for that reason alone here.

That is the only thing going for it, which doesn't mean it's a good value for $900, especially the loss of features and an 1 year old SOC, meaning probably 1 year less of software support. Also, the price is close to the Pro and Pro Max models as Apple wants to direct more people to those models, which is why the Plus launch late.

Not to mention, the iPhone 6-8 Plus models launch at $769, which makes it seem like a bad value, especially the higher price and still using the same SOC, camera tech, etc.

 

[kp98077]

Plus is a good phone. Using all day and such a joy!

 

[davedvdy]

That is the only thing going for it, which doesn't mean it's a good value for $900, especially the loss of features and an 1 year old SOC, meaning probably 1 year less of software support. Also, the price is close to the Pro and Pro Max models as Apple wants to direct more people to those models, which is why the Plus launch late.

Not to mention, the iPhone 6-8 Plus models launch at $769, which makes it seem like a bad value, especially the higher price and still using the same SOC, camera tech, etc.

Some of this I can't disagree with, even though some don't care and place value in different places.
For me personally, I love the 14 Pro Max, but the weight does feel a bit fatiguing to me with extended use.

The 14 Pro feels better, but doesn't have the added screen real estate. I do somewhat wonder if the 14 Plus is a goldilocks solution for some or even myself even with the trade offs. I wouldn't be a fan of losing the ProMotion
though, in particular. I notice it as soon as I switch to the iPhone SE.

 

[Sammy in SoCal]

That is the only thing going for it, which doesn't mean it's a good value for $900, especially the loss of features and an 1 year old SOC, meaning probably 1 year less of software support. Also, the price is very close to the Pro and Pro Max models.

Not to mention, the iPhone 6-8 Plus models launch at $769, which makes it seem like a bad value, especially the higher price and still using the same SOC, camera tech, etc.

Chikorita you’re really against this phone. I’ve seen you post heavily about it everywhere on here. Lol

i’d say that the worst thing about this phone is they should’ve priced it $100 cheaper and started at $799. Otherwise it’s a great option. It does have a lot of updates that the 13s don’t have. For example it has the updated Bluetooth 5.3 and an updated qualcomm modem, X65. Of course it also has the satellite communication and the crash detection the 13s don’t have. The cameras have been tweaked and it has the action mode and 4k cinematic mode in the video features.

i’m sure that it has the redesigned internals of the standard 14 which makes this phone much easier and much cheaper to repair. Additional insurance against drops if you ever need to replace a cracked display or the back glass. And lastly as you mentioned the phone weighs 203 g which makes it lighter than the regular 6.1 inch pro and much lighter than the max which probably make it more comfortable to handle and use on a daily basis.

if you go to the Apple store they’re offering $470 trade-in value for the regular 13 If you got one. That knocks the price down to $430 or you can go through one of your carriers for their trade in cellular plan deal. Just relax.

Edit: oh yeah it has the best battery life of any iPhone ever. I think there’s been some early battery tests on YouTube and it shows this to be true

 

[chikorita157]

Chikorita you’re really against this phone. I’ve seen you post heavily about it everywhere on here. Lol

i’d say that the worst thing about this phone is they should’ve priced it $100 cheaper and started at $799. Otherwise it’s a great option. It does have a lot of updates that the 13s don’t have. For example it has the updated Bluetooth 5.3 and an updated qualcomm modem, X65. Of course it also has the satellite communication and the crash detection the 13s don’t have. The cameras have been tweaked and it has the action mode and 4k cinematic mode in the video features.

i’m sure that it has the redesigned internals of the standard 14 which makes this phone much easier and much cheaper to repair. Additional insurance against drops if you ever need to replace a cracked display or the back glass. And lastly as you mentioned the phone weighs 203 g which makes it lighter than the regular 6.1 inch pro and much lighter than the max which probably make it more comfortable to handle and use on a daily basis.

if you go to the Apple store they’re offering $470 trade-in value for the regular 13 If you got one. That knocks the price down to $430 or you can go through one of your carriers for their trade in cellular plan deal. Just relax.

Edit: oh yeah it has the best battery life of any iPhone ever. I think there’s been some early battery tests on YouTube and it shows this to be true

I just don't like how the regular 14 lineup is a big ripoff compared to last year's models. As mention before, if the 14 and 14 Plus was priced a bit cheaper and had the A16 and the iPhone 11 Pro camera setup, maybe it would be a better value. However, with the minor improvements, especially over the 13 and Apple has the audacity to put in a 1 year old SoC, the regular 14 lineup is a bad value, especially with the Pros being $200 more.

I think the Pro lineup is better since it has more features and I tend to keep my phone for 3-4 years. I opted for the 14 Pro since it has all the nice features and I plan to keep the phone for a long while. Also, having a nice camera is a plus so I don't need to bring around my Sony Cybershot RX100 II. My last regular model iPhone I had is the iPhone 8, which is a good phone and priced decently and had enough features to upgrade from a 6.

However, comparing the 13 and 14, besides a few features like crash detection, updated modem, and a few other improvements, it's still the same phone that is using the same SOC. If Apple had an A16 on the regular models, nobody would be complaining, but with them having an A15, it's just a shameful cash grab. I think Apple should be criticized for that, even if I am a shareholder of Apple.

At best, the 14 lineup should have been priced at $699 and $799. 14 Plus at $899 is expensive and approaching Pro model prices.

 

[Dsmith7]

I just don't like how the regular 14 lineup is a big ripoff compared to last year's models. As mention before, if the 14 and 14 Plus was priced a bit cheaper and had the A16 and the iPhone 11 Pro camera setup, maybe it would be a better value. However, with the minor improvements, especially over the 13 and Apple has the audacity to put in a 1 year old SoC, the regular 14 lineup is a bad value, especially with the Pros being $200 more.

I think the Pro lineup is better since it has more features and I tend to keep my phone for 3-4 years. I opted for the 14 Pro since it has all the nice features and I plan to keep the phone for a long while. Also, having a nice camera is a plus so I don't need to bring around my Sony Cybershot RX100 II. My last regular model iPhone I had is the iPhone 8, which is a good phone and priced decently and had enough features to upgrade from a 6.

However, comparing the 13 and 14, besides a few features like crash detection, updated modem, and a few other improvements, it's still the same phone that is using the same SOC. If Apple had an A16 on the regular models, nobody would be complaining, but with them having an A15, it's just a shameful cash grab. I think Apple should be criticized for that, even if I am a shareholder of Apple.

At best, the 14 lineup should have been priced at $699 and $799. 14 Plus at $899 is expensive and approaching Pro model prices.

Enjoy your pro and I'll enjoy my plus. We both happy 😁

 

[davedvdy]

Chikorita you’re really against this phone. I’ve seen you post heavily about it everywhere on here. Lol

i’d say that the worst thing about this phone is they should’ve priced it $100 cheaper and started at $799. Otherwise it’s a great option. It does have a lot of updates that the 13s don’t have. For example it has the updated Bluetooth 5.3 and an updated qualcomm modem, X65. Of course it also has the satellite communication and the crash detection the 13s don’t have. The cameras have been tweaked and it has the action mode and 4k cinematic mode in the video features.

i’m sure that it has the redesigned internals of the standard 14 which makes this phone much easier and much cheaper to repair. Additional insurance against drops if you ever need to replace a cracked display or the back glass. And lastly as you mentioned the phone weighs 203 g which makes it lighter than the regular 6.1 inch pro and much lighter than the max which probably make it more comfortable to handle and use on a daily basis.

if you go to the Apple store they’re offering $470 trade-in value for the regular 13 If you got one. That knocks the price down to $430 or you can go through one of your carriers for their trade in cellular plan deal. Just relax.

Edit: oh yeah it has the best battery life of any iPhone ever. I think there’s been some early battery tests on YouTube and it shows this to be true

I believe it was you who commented below my comment thread on Flossy Carter's 14 Plus vid on YouTube too yesterday BTW?
I really enjoyed your input there, as you brought up excellent points that I didn't even know about there that you brought up here (eg upgraded modem, Bluetooth, etc).

I believe you described well how it isn't a misinformed decision to purchase the 14 Plus, as you know more about the specs in comparison than many, and still aren't knocking it.

A great lesson for those who think their opinion overrides other opinions and should tell them how to spend their own money. Value is in the eye of the beholder lol.

 

[Sammy in SoCal]

I believe it was you who commented below my comment thread on Flossy Carter's 14 Plus vid on YouTube too yesterday BTW?
I really enjoyed your input there, as you brought up excellent points that I didn't even knew about there that you brought up here (eg upgraded modem, Bluetooth, etc).

I believe you described well how it isn't a misinformed decision to purchase the 14 Plus, as you know more about the specs in comparison than many, and still aren't knocking it.

A great lesson for those who think their opinion overrides other opinions and should tell them how to spend their own money. Value is in the eye of the beholder lol.

Lol yeah. My profile picture gave me away. Can we say, small world?

I can’t predict how well this phone will do in sales but if it ends up being slow then Apple should offer a $150 gift card with purchase or offer first generation AirPods Pro with purchase. Because we need a lightweight big form factor to stay in the lineup