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bartzilla

macrumors 6502a
Aug 11, 2008
540
0
Obviously Tim Cook is competent and all that but... He seems to be the dry corporate-suit type no? The keynote just won't be the same without Jobs. Thoughts?

but what? If your assessment of "Jobs Vs Cook" is based on how much pizazz they will have in a keynote speech then it sounds like you think that Apple don't need a CEO, just a really good "demo bunny". Frankly, you're being rude to both Jobs and Cook with that attitude.

While public appearances and the like are important, they're also a very small part of what a CEO does.
 

mac jones

macrumors 68040
Apr 6, 2006
3,257
2
Apple will now simply go the same route. Without Jobs in control, I don't expect them to come up with "the next big thing".

That's it exactly.

And who can really say what's going to happen anyway. There will be other players and really, really cool stuff regardless, and that's what counts.

It's been fun Apple. I'll stick around for years to come. Just try to come up with.....something :D
 

carlgo

macrumors 68000
Dec 29, 2006
1,806
17
Monterey CA
My secret source say Cook has been preparing for his first keynote presentation. He wants to have his own style and that will be gangsta.

Gangsta music, pit bulls, all that will be part of his show.

Rumor has it that Jobs wasn't really that sick, just terrified to show up.
 

*LTD*

macrumors G4
Feb 5, 2009
10,703
1
Canada
That's it exactly.

And who can really say what's going to happen anyway. There will be other players and really, really cool stuff regardless, and that's what counts.

It's been fun Apple. I'll stick around for years to come. Just try to come up with.....something :D

Clearly, they haven't been doing enough. :rolleyes:
 

bpaluzzi

macrumors 6502a
Sep 2, 2010
918
1
London
Maybe. But I'd be more interested in OS X for EVERY PC. You know, just like Windows, Linux and FreeBSD are available for EVERY PC. After all, the iTunes and App Store supply chain is Apple's true cash cow - the hardware around it is just an added bonus.

Uh... what? Not even close to reality. Not even anywhere near close.
 

*LTD*

macrumors G4
Feb 5, 2009
10,703
1
Canada
Maybe. But I'd be more interested in OS X for EVERY PC. You know, just like Windows, Linux and FreeBSD are available for EVERY PC.

Say goodbye to OS X.

There's a reason Macs are tops in customer satisfaction 8 years running. Part of it is that Apple doesn't pimp their OS to every box-maker and their dog.

OS X closed licensing exists for a reason. It isn't incidental.
 

boss.king

macrumors 603
Apr 8, 2009
6,392
7,646
Maybe. But I'd be more interested in OS X for EVERY PC. You know, just like Windows, Linux and FreeBSD are available for EVERY PC. After all, the iTunes and App Store supply chain is Apple's true cash cow - the hardware around it is just an added bonus.

First of all, Apple makes a huge profit on hardware. The way they are able to do this is by limiting the hardware OSX runs on to the hardware they provide, and then they charge a hefty price for that hardware. If they opened OSX up for everyone they would lose a lot of profit, and they would have to do a lot more work to get all hardware supported properly.
 

Rodimus Prime

macrumors G4
Oct 9, 2006
10,136
4
First of all, Apple makes a huge profit on hardware. The way they are able to do this is by limiting the hardware OSX runs on to the hardware they provide, and then they charge a hefty price for that hardware. If they opened OSX up for everyone they would lose a lot of profit, and they would have to do a lot more work to get all hardware supported properly.

add to it Apple would no longer be able to point the finger as easily back on device makers is product X does not work with there computer.

Take a printer for example. If someone is having problems getting a printer to work with there computer due to poor software/drivers on a Windows computer they blame Windows on OSX I see them blame the printer manufacture. Now the printer Manufactor is the correct person to blame but Windows gets blamed for it more often than not.

Another example where Apple is getting a free ride is on there piss poor windows support for the iPhone and on iTunes. On both cases Windows gets blamed for the problem never mind the fact that it is Apple who is supply bot the crummy software and drivers for Windows XP-7.
 

Sydde

macrumors 68030
Aug 17, 2009
2,563
7,061
IOKWARDI
Maybe. But I'd be more interested in OS X for EVERY PC. You know, just like Windows, Linux and FreeBSD are available for EVERY PC.

Thing is, you perceive x86-64 as "at last, Apple has seen the light", that there will be nothing beyond Intel. I personally believe that the next Mac architecture will be a form of ARM. Since ARM directly supports a CP interface, they will design a compatibility coprocessor that will allow Mac ARM CPUs to code morph x86 to run at near native speeds. Sometime in the next 5 years, the x86 Macs will start to be phased out in favor of a unified hardware architecture to go along with iOS/OS X unification. Mac OS X for all PCs is not going to happen — after all, the vast majority of current computer users will be using some kind of tablet instead of the traditional tower, so the "post-PC era" will be a very different landscape where "OS X on every PC" will just not scan.
 

TheRdungeon

macrumors 6502a
Jul 21, 2011
546
93
My secret source say Cook has been preparing for his first keynote presentation. He wants to have his own style and that will be gangsta.

Gangsta music, pit bulls, all that will be part of his show.

Rumor has it that Jobs wasn't really that sick, just terrified to show up.

haha classic
 

Compile 'em all

macrumors 601
Apr 6, 2005
4,131
359
Did you really just compare jobs to the man who put an automobile in every household in the United States? the inventor of the assembly line? the man who put the nation to work on a salary of $5 a day which at the time was almost double the average salary in the country?

He's good, and he has created some great things but Henry Ford pretty much shaped the world.

And computers didn't?
 

vitzr

macrumors 68030
Jul 28, 2011
2,765
3
California
Cook is exactly the right man for the job.

Apple will be better off with him at a time when cooler heads must prevail. Less combative and emotional than Steve, I'm thrilled with the change.

The best thing that could happen now is for Steve to stay away from the next key note. The last thing Apple needs is a cameo appearance by Jobs. That would only whip the crowd into a needless frenzy.

It's Cooks time now.

I welcome the change with great enthusiasm.
 

*LTD*

macrumors G4
Feb 5, 2009
10,703
1
Canada
I wonder the same for Microsoft. Apple are being just as anticompetitive now as Microsoft were 'back in the day'.

Talk about being hypocritical. :rolleyes:

When Apple is convicted of your phantom antitrust scenarios, get back to me.

There is no strong-arming going on by Apple. There is no illegal behaviour. They've also had the benefit of watching MS' antics, including anything in the area of antitrust. Apple tends to have their legal ducks in a row.

It takes a lot to get to this point:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft

Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates was called "evasive and nonresponsive" by a source present at a session in which Gates was questioned on his deposition.[2] He argued over the definitions of words such as "compete", "concerned", "ask", and "we".[3] BusinessWeek reported, "Early rounds of his deposition show him offering obfuscatory answers and saying 'I don't recall' so many times that even the presiding judge had to chuckle.

Worse, many of the technology chief's denials and pleas of ignorance have been directly refuted by prosecutors with snippets of E-mail Gates both sent and received."[4] Intel Vice-President Steven McGeady, called as a witness, quoted Paul Maritz, a senior Microsoft vice president as having stated an intention to "extinguish" and "smother" rival Netscape Communications Corporation and to "cut off Netscape's air supply" by giving away a clone of Netscape's flagship product for free. The Microsoft executive denied the allegations.[5]

A number of videotapes were submitted as evidence by Microsoft during the trial, including one that demonstrated that removing Internet Explorer from Microsoft Windows caused slowdowns and malfunctions in Windows.

In the videotaped demonstration of what Microsoft vice president James Allchin's stated to be a seamless segment filmed on one PC, the plaintiff noticed that some icons mysteriously disappear and reappear on the PC's desktop, suggesting that the effects might have been falsified.[6] Allchin admitted that the blame for the tape problems lay with some of his staff "They ended up filming it -- grabbing the wrong screen shot," he said of the incident.

Later, Allchin re-ran the demonstration and provided a new videotape, but in so doing Microsoft dropped the claim that Windows is slowed down when Internet Explorer is removed. Mark Murray, a Microsoft spokesperson, berated the government attorneys for "nitpicking on issues like video production."[7] Microsoft submitted a second inaccurate videotape into evidence later the same month as the first. The issue in question was how easy or hard it was for America Online users to download and install Netscape Navigator onto a Windows PC. Microsoft's videotape showed the process as being quick and easy, resulting in the Netscape icon appearing on the user's desktop.

The government produced its own videotape of the same process, revealing that Microsoft's videotape had conveniently removed a long and complex part of the procedure and that the Netscape icon was not placed on the desktop, requiring a user to search for it. Brad Chase, a Microsoft vice president, verified the government's tape and conceded that Microsoft's own tape was falsified.
[8]

Abuse of monopoly, lying, presenting false evidence in court, etc.

Sorry. Apple is *nothing* like Microsoft. Nothing they've done to date even approaches that.

Because they don't need to resort to anything like that.

Apart from that, testing the competition's IP (and by virtue, Apple's IP) in court is hardly "anticompetitive." It's exercising their right to submit a problem to the courts. Just like it is anyone's right.

But some people like living in the land of "maybes" and "could be's". :confused:
 

Hellhammer

Moderator emeritus
Dec 10, 2008
22,164
582
Finland
Sorry. Apple is *nothing* like Microsoft. Nothing they've done to date even approaches that.

Why was MS forced to provide the browser selection thingy in the first place, while Apple can still get away by including only Safari in OS X? That doesn't make any sense, the rules should be the same for all.
 

*LTD*

macrumors G4
Feb 5, 2009
10,703
1
Canada
Why was MS forced to provide the browser selection thingy in the first place, while Apple can still get away by including only Safari in OS X? That doesn't make any sense, the rules should be the same for all.

But the market situation is not the same.

MS' very own universal-licensing racket finally bit them in the ass.
 

rdowns

macrumors Penryn
Jul 11, 2003
27,397
12,521
Why was MS forced to provide the browser selection thingy in the first place, while Apple can still get away by including only Safari in OS X? That doesn't make any sense, the rules should be the same for all.

Did you even read the quotes from the trial he posted? Apple including Safari is in no way similar to what Microsoft did.
 

Hellhammer

Moderator emeritus
Dec 10, 2008
22,164
582
Finland
Did you even read the quotes from the trial he posted? Apple including Safari is in no way similar to what Microsoft did.

Yes, I did. The lies aren't relevant, because what I wondered was why was MS in the court because of IE in the first place. What Apple is doing is the same. The IE case decision was stupid IMO, so I'm not saying that Apple should be forced to include a browser selection thingy. It should be applied to all companies and software then.
 

OllyW

Moderator
Staff member
Oct 11, 2005
17,196
6,800
The Black Country, England
Why was MS forced to provide the browser selection thingy in the first place, while Apple can still get away by including only Safari in OS X? That doesn't make any sense, the rules should be the same for all.

Apple have a worldwide marketshare of 5%. Microsoft had over 90% and were judged to be guilty of monopoly abuse to gain unfair advantage over competing browsers.
 

rdowns

macrumors Penryn
Jul 11, 2003
27,397
12,521
Yes, I did. The lies aren't relevant, because what I wondered was why was MS in the court because of IE in the first place. What Apple is doing is the same. The IE case decision was stupid IMO, so I'm not saying that Apple should be forced to include a browser selection thingy. It should be applied to all companies and software then.


As Olly said, it had to do with Microsoft's market share and using it to try and kill off competitors. Microsoft used their monopoly position to try and kill off competitors. How is what Apple is doing the same?
 

roadbloc

macrumors G3
Aug 24, 2009
8,784
215
UK
Why was MS forced to provide the browser selection thingy in the first place, while Apple can still get away by including only Safari in OS X? That doesn't make any sense, the rules should be the same for all.
Beat me to it. If for Microsoft it's wrong doing, how can it not be for Apple? Your fanboyism reaches newer lengths with every post *LTD*.

As Olly said, it had to do with Microsoft's market share and using it to try and kill off competitors. Microsoft used their monopoly position to try and kill off competitors. How is what Apple is doing the same?
One could argue that they are doing it with the integration of iTunes, iBooks and the App Store in iOS. I won't go into much detail but I think the whole kindle store link button debacle explains how anti-competitive Apple is at the moment. A whole world away from simply just bundling an irremovable web browser with an OS.
 

KingCrimson

macrumors 65816
Mar 12, 2011
1,066
0
One could argue that they are doing it with the integration of iTunes, iBooks and the App Store in iOS. I won't go into much detail but I think the whole kindle store link button debacle explains how anti-competitive Apple is at the moment. A whole world away from simply just bundling an irremovable web browser with an OS.

Exactly all that Apple e-Commerce integration into iOS is blatant anti-competitive behavior along with the in-store link button ban and demanding 30% cut on apps. Why isn't the DOJ after them? Oh because it's Obama administration and Al Gore is on the Apple board. It's cronyism at it's finest!
 
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