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Cave Man has it exactly right.

I have built two hackintoshes and they are rock-stable. Same as real Macs.
It seems that macaron95 has no understanding of Apple hardware. Since the move to Intel, a Mac is a PC. Same processors, same chipset designed by Intel. Apple build a custom motherboard.

Where issues arise it's because the hardware deviates too much from what Apple uses and OS X (for obvious reasons) only needs to support a small subset of PC components. In those cases, a custom driver is needed.

Yes, hackintoshes require more time and dedication. But don't dismiss them for the wrong reasons.

As for future viability of hackintoshes: They work with Yosemite, and that should cover a few years. Only Apple can choose to limit what runs on Apple hardware. If they do so, I will abandon the Apple platform.

A hackinstosh is all about choosing the right hardware for the available device drivers. i got an 2500K i5 system running about 3 years ago but three things are against it being viable in the long term.

1) Maintaining OS X updates takes time. My time is worth more than the difference between a hackintosh and real Mac hardware

2) A hackintosh burns lots of power. 2500K was 70 watts idle. I can run 10 Mac Minis with a power budget less than 70w.

3) They are noisy. Once you start to choose components that are silent for fans and the power supply the cost adds up. Again, time is money.

I dismantled my 2500K based system and sold the bits on eBay. No regrets.

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Take a look at this:
http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-Barebone-i5-4570R-Graphic-GB-BXi5-4570R/dp/B00HYEU0C8/

Plenty powerful and way cheaper than the crippled mini.
OS X (Mavericks at least) runs well on this machine following instructions on tonymacx86. I have built one with the i3 model and it is rock stable.

Also, Ubuntu Linux works perfectly on those machines without any tweaking (no Photoshop, though).

Linux is a toy on the desktop. Only useful for server installations.
 
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Think twice with going hack route. It is "ghetto" type machines: they appear to work, but many little/important thing would not work right and it would be plenty of. Folks who are saying everything works are not telling the truth or simply, they do not know any better or they never had a real mac. I would not go 2014 mini route though - too expensive. For what you do - I think base 2012 mini is more than enough. They are inexpensive right now - BB sells them for 449 - 10% movers coupon. Load it up with 16 GB RAM and 256 GB SSD (make sure it is < 9mm) + reuse internal HDD as second drive (would require some skills, patience and $12 kit from eBay) and you would get fully loaded mini setup for the price of 2014 midrange mini. I am almost finished setting up my new dirt cheap, loaded and whisper quiet 2012 mini, so hack (20 x size of mac-mini) is about to be taken apart and sold piece-by-piece.
 
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A hackinstosh is all about choosing the right hardware for the available device drivers. i got an 2500K i5 system running about 3 years ago but three things are against it being viable in the long term.

1) Maintaining OS X updates takes time. My time is worth more than the difference between a hackintosh and real Mac hardware

2) A hackintosh burns lots of power. 2500K was 70 watts idle. I can run 10 Mac Minis with a power budget less than 70w.

3) They are noisy. Once you start to choose components that are silent for fans and the power supply the cost adds up. Again, time is money.

I dismantled my 2500K based system and sold the bits on eBay. No regrets.


1)Your first point is valid as time is money, but I think people doing Hackintosh systems are enthusiasts who are not really factoring in time.

2) a NUC or BRIX mini pc would consume less power than the system you chose, this is a Mac mini thread not a Hackintosh MAC PRO thread.

3) If you want a completely silent system, a Fanless NUC might be the only option if you are keeping the computer on your desk.
 
1)Your first point is valid as time is money, but I think people doing Hackintosh systems are enthusiasts who are not really factoring in time.

2) a NUC or BRIX mini pc would consume less power than the system you chose, this is a Mac mini thread not a Hackintosh MAC PRO thread.

3) If you want a completely silent system, a Fanless NUC might be the only option if you are keeping the computer on your desk.

Simply out of curiosity: if one would choose the same components present in an iMac (except for the motherboard which apparently is apple custom made) would it still be tough to go hackintosh
 
Simply out of curiosity: if one would choose the same components present in an iMac (except for the motherboard which apparently is apple custom made) would it still be tough to go hackintosh

I'm not the person to ask that, but I would guess it would not be hard. The closer you are to stock Apple configuration the better. I would follow the compatibility charts in hackintosh guides, as those configurations are already tested.
 
I'm not the person to ask that, but I would guess it would not be hard. The closer you are to stock Apple configuration the better. I would follow the compatibility charts in hackintosh guides, as those configurations are already tested.
Nope, Apple is using most IC not available in retail. You could barely match CPU, nothing else. Though sometimes Apple drivers would accept other IC, but none of it is tested or certified. "Works" in hack world means: GPU - I could see the picture, Audio - it works right after boot, then it disappears after sleep and making pops every time it plays sound after 10 secs of idle, BT - sure, what else? yeah!
 
Nope, Apple is using most IC not available in retail. You could barely match CPU, nothing else. Though sometimes Apple drivers would accept other IC, but none of it is tested or certified. "Works" in hack world means: GPU - I could see the picture, Audio - it works right after boot, then it disappears after sleep and making pops every time it plays sound after 10 secs of idle, BT - sure, what else? yeah!


My macbook does these also.
 
Think twice with going hack route. It is "ghetto" type machines: they appear to work, but many little/important thing would not work right and it would be plenty of. Folks who are saying everything works are not telling the truth or simply, they do not know any better or they never had a real mac.

It's you who are mistaken. Once again, starting with a well supported logic board and there are virtually no problems running OS X, including Yosemite. I have a 2010 12 core Mac Pro with 128 GB of RAM in my lab for DNA sequencing work, a 2012 2.6 gHz quad-core i7 Mac Mini at home, a 2011 i7 MacBook Pro and a 2013 MacBook Air. Plus my two stable hackintoshes. So, I have a lot of experience with Apple computers as well. They are fine machines but, quite frankly, the 2014 Mac Mini is a huge step backwards because it increases the power gap between Apple's three desktops.

...so hack (20 x size of mac-mini) is about to be taken apart and sold piece-by-piece.

What is your logic board model?

Nope, Apple is using most IC not available in retail. You could barely match CPU, nothing else.

There are no HD5000 cpus available at the usual places. That's the biggest hit on hackintoshes.

Though sometimes Apple drivers would accept other IC, but none of it is tested or certified. "Works" in hack world means: GPU - I could see the picture

There are far more and much better video card options for hackintoshes than there are for Apple's computers. It's not even close. You can even buy logic boards that support 32 or 64 GB of RAM for reasonable prices.

Audio - it works right after boot, then it disappears after sleep and making pops every time it plays sound after 10 secs of idle,

I haven't experienced audio issues for several years, and never with my two current boards, both of which are well-supported for OS X. You must be using a poorly-supported board.

BT - sure, what else? yeah!

No bluetooth issues for me. I use a $10 USB bluetooth dongle and it has worked great since day one. I don't have noise issues with mine, either. The only time I hear them is when Handbrake or Aperture are running. The only quirky thing about my hackintoshes is they use 802.11n USB wifi dongles that have their own software. It's not an issue for compatibility, it just looks like it was originally written for Windblows and then ported to OS X. Of course, if I wanted to, I could just buy an Apple Airport card and install it in the hackintosh with a mini-PCIe adapter. Then it would be treated just like any other Mac.

As far as I'm concerned, the Mac Mini was EOL'd with the 2012 model. No chance would I buy one of the current Minis. That doesn't mean they're not good machines. If one of them suits a person's needs, that's great. But if you want something much more powerful for the same amount of money, then a hackintosh is worth considering.
 
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Think twice with going hack route. It is "ghetto" type machines:/QUOTE]

YA misguided opinion from people who know nothing about hackintoshes.

When you build your hackintosh, you can choose the quality of the components you use: from crappy to highest quality (better than what Apple uses).

My hackintosh uses the highest quality power supply and cooler. It is completely silent.
 
Linux is a toy on the desktop. Only useful for server installations.

LOL. So clueless. Linux desktops are used by around 10,000 of Google's employees. Furthermore, I and the overwhelming majority of the Mac users in the dev teams I've been in spend most of our time working in Linux VMs. The only reason why many of us don't replace OS X with Linux on our MacBooks is because power management is much better with OS X.
 
LOL. So clueless. Linux desktops are used by around 10,000 of Google's employees. Furthermore, I and the overwhelming majority of the Mac users in the dev teams I've been in spend most of our time working in Linux VMs. The only reason why many of us don't replace OS X with Linux on our MacBooks is because power management is much better with OS X.

Power management, and a multitude of other reasons. You answered the question perfectly of why Linux is a toy on the desktop: there are better solutions. There'll always be anecdotal examples of orgs using Linux on the desktop like some town in Germany. But that's simply not the norm.

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Think twice with going hack route. It is "ghetto" type machines:/QUOTE]

YA misguided opinion from people who know nothing about hackintoshes.

When you build your hackintosh, you can choose the quality of the components you use: from crappy to highest quality (better than what Apple uses).

My hackintosh uses the highest quality power supply and cooler. It is completely silent.

And when you go for quality then the price increases to that of real Apple hardware. If you've got the time and incentive to keep a hackintosh running then good for you. But please don't recommend it to others without disclosing the full gambit of horrors that await. Folks might invest their hard earned $$$ in these things only to discover the reality.
 
Power management, and a multitude of other reasons.

I didn't list a multitude of other reasons. I specifically stated that the only reason why many of the people on the dev teams I've been in don't replace OS X with Linux is power management.

You answered the question perfectly of why Linux is a toy on the desktop: there are better solutions.

I never stated that there is a better solution to Linux for actual work, only that there is a better solution for power management on Apple hardware.

There'll always be anecdotal examples of orgs using Linux on the desktop like some town in Germany.

LOL. You compare "some town in Germany" to the company that employs the most CS Ph.Ds in industry. The world's largest group of computer scientists is just an anecdote. LOL.

But that's simply not the norm.

The norm is Windows, so by your logic, OS X is a toy.
 
What power supply and cooler do you use? Thanks in advance.

First, understand that this was not a "mini clone" but a full-blown desktop. I used a Seasonic power supply and a CoolerMaster Gemini cooler. There are much higher-end options for the cooler (liquid cooling etc.) but since I am not overclocking this is sufficient.

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And when you go for quality then the price increases to that of real Apple hardware.

Nope. It's still cheaper.


If you've got the time and incentive to keep a hackintosh running then good for you. But please don't recommend it to others without disclosing the full gambit of horrors that await. Folks might invest their hard earned $$$ in these things only to discover the reality.

No horrors in my reality.
 
I decided towards a custom pc and bought it today. Its a shame because i wanted an apple computer and forced myself to justify one.

Time will tell if i ever look back. I will try to create a hack and i can report my impressions if anybody is interested.

Thanks
 
I dont really use anything osx specific and mostly i do office photoshop web development and very basic audio/video edit. My only concern is that i want it to run long time like my 6 years old macbook unibody. I will have to decide this week. It is hard for me to justify the mini. I wanted one before the update but now i am confused badly. Custom pc option is:

i7 4790 gtx 750 ti 8 gb ram 1 tb hdd 128 gb ssd gigabyte mainboard and mobo windows 8.1

1000 $

Vs

2014 Dual core i5 mac mini 16 gb ram + 256 ssd

1300 $

That decsion doesnt make sense. Why buy a Mac Mini 2014 Dual core i5 mac mini 16 gb ram + 256 ssd for $1300 if you can get an iMac 21.5" 2.7 quad-core Intel core i5 for the same price? Granted its only 8gb of ram but ram is cheap...

Another solution of a better configured system is Mac Mini i7 3.0Ghz Dual Core with 16GB ram for $1,199 + crucial MX100 256SSD for $109.99

I have several of the server specced Mac Mini's and as little as they are they run solid and I never have had one fail on me. If you are doing this for dinks and giggles go hackintosh, but if you are working professionally then just get a mini or an imac.
 
That decsion doesnt make sense. Why buy a Mac Mini 2014 Dual core i5 mac mini 16 gb ram + 256 ssd for $1300 if you can get an iMac 21.5" 2.7 quad-core Intel core i5 for the same price? Granted its only 8gb of ram but ram is cheap...

Another solution of a better configured system is Mac Mini i7 3.0Ghz Dual Core with 16GB ram for $1,199 + crucial MX100 256SSD for $109.99

I have several of the server specced Mac Mini's and as little as they are they run solid and I never have had one fail on me. If you are doing this for dinks and giggles go hackintosh, but if you are working professionally then just get a mini or an imac.


Mini is not a wise choice anymore. Its not competeable against any computer.
 
Msi z97 pc mate with i7 4790

That's the good stuff right there.

I'm not sure when (consumer/prosumer) software taxes out a 4790, but I suspect it won't be for many years.

Rather than getting a Mini, I'm going to toss in a 4790K with new motherboard and RAM for almost the same money as the base mini. Already have the SSD and graphics card/PS, so why not.
 
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