Damn, Anandtech pretty much destroyed all Android smartphones in their iPhone 6s review...

[dark_knight177]

ios 9 does not lag everywhere. I admit it lags in siri when you bring up the control panel, which should be a bug; but this is not universal for every idevice in every configuration.

edit: you also could be seeing things which aren't there and that is normal also. Because I haven't asked 50 or 60 million IOS users, if there was a generic issue than it would be reported on the internet and we would all know about it. Not 5 or 10 posters across a few threads on MR.

There is really no need for all of the bolded text, nor to repeat the contents of the thread in the IOS 9 forum.

Similarly there's no need to deny that users are having problems with lag, which you seem to be doing vehemently in every thread.
Just because you are not noticing it, doesn't mean nobody should. You haven't surveyed all users so stop acting like it doesn't exist

 

[nebo1ss]

An interesting observation about iPhones. I was talking to someone that does phone repairs recently who told me that 75 percent of phones that come into his shop for repair are iPhones and most of those are shattered screens. In retrospect, I recalled how many iPhones i see in use on trains and buses with shattered screens. It would seem they are much more susceptible to damage screens that other phones.

 

[C DM]

Who said that i bring control center up and down? iOS 9 lags everywhere!!

Similarly have you asked all 50-60 million idevice users that they don't have lag? I assume the answer is no.

Judging by this forum you are one of very very few users who don't notice lag, which i don't blame you, it could be biological variance in your ability to see, which is normal.

It would seem that by "very few users" you actually mean "very many users".

Similarly there's no need to deny that users are having problems with lag, which you seem to be doing vehemently in every thread.
Just because you are not noticing it, doesn't mean nobody should. You haven't surveyed all users so stop acting like it doesn't exist

It's more that it's just not nearly as big of an issue as various people who repeatedly talk about the same thing day in and day out often try to make it out to be.

 

[I7guy]

Similarly there's no need to deny that users are having problems with lag, which you seem to be doing vehemently in every thread.
Just because you are not noticing it, doesn't mean nobody should. You haven't surveyed all users so stop acting like it doesn't exist

Similarly there's no need to make it as if it is a universal issue affecting all millions of users, since you haven't surveyed these users as well which you seem to be vehemently doing in every post.

Just because you see it, doesn't mean everybody actually has the same issues as you.

 

[dark_knight177]

Similarly there's no need to make it as if it is a universal issue affecting all millions of users, since you haven't surveyed these users as well which you seem to be vehemently doing in every post.

Just because you see it, doesn't mean everybody actually has the same issues as you.

Similarly i have never said that every user has these problems. You are clearly one prominent example of users who don't notice the lag! Good job at changing my words.

Stop vehemently denying that the issue exists. If you are not able to see it doesn't mean nobody should. That's just pure ignorance.

Similarly there's no reason to think that the issue is not universal, you haven't surveyed all iPhone users. Unless you have a scientific controlled survey done, your argument that the issue doesn't exist is pure speculation on your part

 

[C DM]

Similarly i have never said that every user has these problems. You are clearly one prominent example of users who don't notice the lag! Good job at changing my words.

Stop vehemently denying that the issue exists. If you are not able to see it doesn't mean nobody should. That's just pure ignorance.

Similarly there's no reason to think that the issue is not universal, you haven't surveyed all iPhone users. Unless you have a scientific controlled survey done, your argument that the issue doesn't exist is pure speculation on your part

You say that you never said that every user has these problems and then in the very same post you say that there's no reason not to think these issues are not universal. Can't really have it both ways.

 

[I7guy]

Similarly i have never said that every user has these problems. You are clearly one prominent example of users who don't notice the lag! Good job at changing my words.

Stop vehemently denying that the issue exists. If you are not able to see it doesn't mean nobody should. That's just pure ignorance.

Similarly there's no reason to think that the issue is not universal, you haven't surveyed all iPhone users. Unless you have a scientific controlled survey done, your argument that the issue doesn't exist is pure speculation on your part

The issue is you telling me or anyone else "I" have "an issue". If you were to keep this to your own devices, it would make for a more realistic conversation.

And since you don't have a scientific survey either, your argument it's universal is pure speculation as well. (you have told me in the past I have the issue I just can't see it; which implies it's on peoples phones, their biology prevents them from noticing it.)

 

[dark_knight177]

The issue is you telling me or anyone else "I" have "an issue". If you were to keep this to your own devices, it would make for a more realistic conversation.

And since you don't have a scientific survey either, your argument it's universal is pure speculation as well. (you have told me in the past I have the issue I just can't see it; which implies it's on peoples phones, their biology prevents them from noticing it.)

Similarly, the issue you are telling me is that "you" don't have the issue. If you were able to keep to your own devices it would make for a more realistic conversation. Doesn't mean nobody has the issue. I hope you start to understand the difference and stop denying the issue exists. I don't need a scientific survey, I am not the one who claimed the issue doesn't exist. You did.

 

[I7guy]

Similarly, the issue you are telling me is that "you" don't have the issue. If you were able to keep to your own devices it would make for a more realistic conversation. Doesn't mean nobody has the issue. I hope you start to understand the difference and stop denying the issue exists. I don't need a scientific survey, I am not the one who claimed the issue doesn't exist. You did.

Sorry, I don't need a scientific survey to prove there is NO issue. If I don't have the issue, I don't have the issue. Sorry you do have the "issue", but it is what it is. Doesn't mean everybody has the "issue". I don't deny there is an issue, I counter that not "everybody" has this "issue".

We probably should get back to discussing Anandtech.

 

[dark_knight177]

Doesn't mean everybody has the "issue"

Similarly doesn't mean everybody doesn't have the issue, unless you prove it with a scientific survey.

 

[I7guy]

Similarly doesn't mean everybody doesn't have the issue, unless you prove it with a scientific survey.

Right, doesn't mean "everybody" has the issue unless you prove it as well. Think that is the end of it. It is what it is for the devices you actually have in your hands.

Your device is errant, mine isn't. Nothing more or less can be said about any generic idevice you or I or anybody else has not personally tested or reported on. I don't need to "prove" I don't have the issue.

 

[dark_knight177]

Right, doesn't mean "everybody" has the issue unless you prove it as well.

I don't need to prove anything, I am not the one denying the issue exists without any proof and doing so vehemently.

 

[dark_knight177]

Your device is errant, mine isn't. Nothing more or less can be said about any generic idevice you or I or anybody else has not personally tested or reported on.

If it was just "my" device that is errant, don't you think there wouldn't be hundreds of posts and threads about lag? Logic tells me that it's not just "my" device that is errant.

I have 5 iPhones in the family and all of them exhibit lag. Including all models at my local Apple Store. So there it is, I have personally tested a sample size of 10.

 

[I7guy]

If it was just "my" device that is errant, don't you think there wouldn't be hundreds of posts and threads about lag? Logic tells me that it's not just "my" device that is errant.

I have 5 iPhones in the family and all of them exhibit lag. Including all models at my local Apple Store. So there it is, I have personally tested a sample size of 10.

The hundreds of posts are from 10 people. I have 4 iphones in the family and all are operating without lag.

 

[dark_knight177]

The hundreds of posts are from 10 people. I have 4 iphones in the family and all are operating without lag.

Which probably tells me the issue lies in your biological inability to see stutter, which isn't bad. I would love to not be annoyed by lag like you are. In that case I would have just switched to a cheap android phone, there's no point in owning a $1000 iPhone if I don't notice the smoothness.

And by the way, it's not just 10 people who are posting about lag, you should check reddit. There are hundreds!

 

[I7guy]

Which probably tells me the issue lies in your biological inability to see stutter, which isn't bad. I would love to not be annoyed by lag like you are. In that case I would have just switched to a cheap android phone, there's no point in owning a $1000 iPhone if I don't notice the smoothness.

And by the way, it's not just 10 people who are posting about lag, you should check reddit. There are hundreds!

So we're back to if I can't see it, you are seeing things that aren't there?

Even if there is a reddit thread it still fails to prove anything about the 30 to 50 million of other users. Obviously I don't know the exact number, but it has to be in the millions and millions.

 

[dark_knight177]

So we're back to if I can't see it, you are seeing things that aren't there?

Even if there is a reddit thread it still fails to prove anything about the 30 to 50 million of other users. Obviously I don't know the exact number, but it has to be in the millions and millions.

Most double blind research studies are performed on several hundred people.
A sample size of several hundred is enough to test efficiency of a new drug.
What makes you think that you need a sample size of 50 million to prove lag exists?

Heck research companies use a sample size of several hundred to determine who is leading the presidential race in the whole country of 300 MILLION!

What makes you think that you need a sample size of 30-50 million to prove that lag exists?
You think you know better than FDA and research centers and think-tanks?

 

[I7guy]

Most double blind research studies are performed on several hundred people.
A sample size of several hundred is enough to test efficiency of a new drug.
What makes you think that you need a sample size of several million to prove lag exists?

Heck research companies use a sample size of several hundred to determine who is leading the presidential race in the whole country of 300 MILLION!

What makes you think that you need a sample size of 30-50 million to prove that lag exists?
You think you know better than FDA and research centers and think-tanks?

So now we're discussing double blind studies in the context of reading through posts at an enthusiast site? BTW the FDA has made some grave mistakes, just do a search for drug company related lawsuits. Seems a bit of hyperbole to bring the FDA into a discussion regarding anandtech that has morphed into what seems to be the common theme around here driven by a few posters.

This whole issue comes up because you are making blanket statements that can't possibly be verified except with your own device.

 

[dark_knight177]

This whole issue comes up because you are making blanket statements that can't possibly be verified except with your own device.

Similarly the whole issue comes up because you are making blanket statements that can't possibly be verified except with your own experience or (in)ability to see.

 

[I7guy]

Similarly the whole issue comes up because you are making blanket statements that can't possibly be verified except with your own experience or (in)ability to see.

And around and around the conversation goes. I don't doubt that you see issues (as you say real or imagined), what I doubt is that you have this ability to see through the atmosphere and tell me I have issues I can't see.

 

[dark_knight177]

I don't doubt that you see issues (as you say real or imagined), what I doubt is that you have this ability to see through the atmosphere and tell me I have issues I can't see.

Similarly, I don't doubt that you don't see issues (as you say real or imagined), what I doubt is that you have this ability to see through the atmosphere and tell me the issues I have don't exist for many people

 

[Michael Goff]

I don't need to prove anything, I am not the one denying the issue exists without any proof and doing so vehemently.

No, you're just making the claim that a majority are having this issue. So, yes, you should have some actual proof.

"Jupiter is made of cheese."
"No it isn't."
"Prove it isn't."
"Prove it is."
"I don't have to. You are the one claiming it isn't."

Edit: Not to mention you say it lags everywhere. That's definitely not true.

 

[dark_knight177]

So, yes, you should have some actual proof.

Only after you and I7guy show some proof that the issue doesn't exist for many people like he claims.

 

[I7guy]

Only after you and I7guy show some proof that the issue doesn't exist for many people like he claims.

First you show some proof it exists for many people like you claim.

 

[Michael Goff]

Only after you and I7guy show some proof that the issue doesn't exist for many people like he claims.

I'm not going to claim lag doesn't exist in iOS. I will claim my device barely lags, at least not much that I notice. I will also claim it doesn't lag everywhere. I'm not going to back up a claim I don't believe. Lag exists.