Apple's marketing material doesn't claim that the Macbook is a tablet alternative. However, they have been claiming that the iPad is indeed a laptop alternative for years.
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Dave2D has NAILED the new iPadPro
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Apple's marketing material doesn't claim that the Macbook is a tablet alternative. However, they have been claiming that the iPad is indeed a laptop alternative for years.
See the discrepancy there?
I really hope that people who want to turn the ipad into just a touchscreen macbook will just jump ship to the surface because I don't want a touch screen macbook, I want the iPad do I want them to continue to improve the usefullness of the iPad through better iOS updates? Of course! but I don't want them to just mimick a MBP I want it to continue to be developed as an iPad keep your mice for your laptops and don't try and ruin a device I like by forcing it into some tiny box of what you think makes a computer.
So if the iPad gained optional mouse pointer support which you were under no obligation to use and wouldn't even notice, then the iPad would be ruined.
That's ... really weird.
You're bang on and so is Dave2d. Beautiful hardware that doesn't really offer anymore than the original iPad Pro from 3 years go in terms of what you can do with it. It doesn't need to be faster, iOS needs to do more for the user and for the iPad.
Isn’t that just a laptop?
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I’ll bet all the Apple stock I own that iOS 13 will have iPad specific updates.
It's really not weird though, If they add mouse support to iOS then what happens is instead of app developers focusing on making a great experience for a touch input device they start to think about how to best utilize both options and then the potential to just port over your app that ends up working much better with a pointer than touch input becomes a reality and the need to innovate great apps for the iPad potentially starts to slip away.
The notebooks you get for $2000 are not so low-end.....that’s we we are hoping for some more from the iPads. The hardware and our enthusiasm is already there...
I got an iPad Air 2, the newer 9.7 iPad and the the only bonus to the Pro would be the Apple Pencil but I don't draw. I can make do with a bluetooth keyboard if I wanted to do a lot of typing. I'm waiting until iOS allows for more than two app windows, improved file system and external storage support. If it never happens, I'm not spending that kind of money for premium iPad. If I was an artist, sure but I'm not. I'll stick with MacOS.
Which means that with a few tweaks to add some wholly optional additional capabilities the iPad really could replace your laptop, but it would also continue to be by far the finest tablet on the market.
So, no, not just a laptop. Not just a tablet. It could seriously be what the Surface and the Pixel Slate both desperately want to be.
The Surface is a great laptop and a mediocre to poor tablet. The Slate is ... I'm not really sure. It has access to lots of great mobile apps, but they're phone apps, so that really can't compete with the iPad, which has an amazing and robust app ecosystem.
With a few more capabilities added to the iPad -- optional ones, that you don't HAVE to use if you don't want to -- the iPad could realize the dream of devices like the Pixel Slate and the Surface, which both fall short of what they set out to be.
the only time I really wish I had a mouse with the iPad is on written documents, but at the same time only ever use the iPad for light work in this area.
In my line of work [design] I barely ever have had the need for a mouse on the iPad, and use the iPad as a compliment device to my 'computer'.
Despite it being able to do a lot of tasks, it does some better than others, just like other form factors.
For sketching, manipulating images, reading and research, it is a great tool. For editing documents, no much so.
Use the right tool for the job or get a surface pro [which in my mind is more laptop than tablet....]
In my line of work [design] I barely ever have had the need for a mouse on the iPad, and use the iPad as a compliment device to my 'computer'.
Despite it being able to do a lot of tasks, it does some better than others, just like other form factors.
For sketching, manipulating images, reading and research, it is a great tool. For editing documents, no much so.
Use the right tool for the job or get a surface pro [which in my mind is more laptop than tablet....]
All Apple has to do is simply reject any app that makes mouse support non-optional or that provides a poor user experience in the absence of a mouse.
That would ensure that the mouse is an option, but never a requirement. Shoot, they could even specify that the mouse is only available when you're docked to an external display, which would suit me just fine.
I mean, I don't even really care. I'm happy to have an iPad and a Mac, but I do have this dream of one day having "a device" instead of lots of them, not even to save money or anything, but just because I think it would be really neat to have such a thing. And I really believe the iPad Pro is the closest (the only really) thing on the market to realizing that dream.
Ah, that guy. Whatever Apple does, according to him, is wrong. There is no single positive critic of Apple on his channel.
His sentiments on iPad closely match mine, but still my point stands.
His sentiments on iPad closely match mine, but still my point stands.
Here is my honest question, what makes you think that if the iPad starts to work more like a MBP that the tablet portion won't become just as bad as the surface?
I've owned the surface and it was a dreadful tablet I don't want the iPad to turn into that and I can't see what it wouldn't if it just becomes a touch sensitive macbook.
No, it's a lack of a file system. The iPad is supposed to have a different input method. That's the whole point of it.
I don't understand your question. Other than general negativity, what makes you think that would happen? Apple has ironclad control of the App Store and the apps that appear in it, so the iPad would never go where Apple doesn't want it to go no matter whether you could hook a mouse to it or not.
I may eventually do just that - jump to a Surface device when it comes time to replace my iMac. The drawing apps are the only applications that made me stick with an iPad Pro (10.5) this week. If Procreate goes cross platform, I am gone.
In the future, who can say? Especially with questionable design choices and quality control when Apple now charges as much as their laptops for an iPad Pro.
I thought Dave nailed the 2018 iPPs as well.
Personally the last thing I want to do is lug around a mouse and track pad with my iPad. It’s a touch device.
None of his criticisms have been invalid. He's doing what reviewers are supposed to be doing (and used to do) which is provide useful consumer advice.
Which is? Something like: "Stay away from Apple, that company has nothing good in their products, and their products are overpriced garbage?"
What he chooses to criticize is valid. Problem is that he chooses only the worst of what he can find in Apple products. According to him, Apple products only have cons, with little to no pros.
I will never for the life of me understand people who become personally offended and bent out of shape because someone insults (real or imagined) some gigantic trillion-dollar corporation.
You don't need to lug around anything. The only thing needed is for the -extremly expensive- keyboard case to include a trackpad. Easy, uh?
He doesn't say that. He talks about what the device does well and where it falls short, as he does with all the product he reviews.
It isn't his fault so many of Apple's design choices of late have been questionable.
Did you even watch the video?!
Dave2D clearly says that the iPad pro is an amazing piece of hardware, and that it is held back by iOS. Both statements are strictly true.
You have Mac. Problem solved.
Touch devices do not need mouse nor desktop/laptop devices need touchscreen.
Cars do not need yokes, nor do airplanes need steering wheel.