Dave2D has NAILED the new iPadPro

[sracer]

It’s an iPad it’s not supposed to be needing any of those.

It would actually go against the purpose of the device itself

And that's what people said about a physical keyboard and a stylus. Everyone was adamant that a physical keyboard would actually go against the purpose of the device itself... until... Apple produced the Smart Keyboard. Then it suddenly made so much sense that many who bought a Pro use it with a keyboard. And they dissed the need of a stylus until Apple produced the Pencil. THEN it was an amazing must-have accessory.

(of course those who have been against a physical keyboard didn't know that Apple actually produced a keyboard dock for the 1st gen iPad)

You have Mac. Problem solved.

Touch devices do not need mouse nor desktop/laptop devices need touchscreen.

Cars do not need yokes, nor do airplanes need steering wheel.

You left out physical keyboards.

 

[StellarVixen]

Did you even watch the video?!

Dave2D clearly says that the iPad pro is an amazing piece of hardware, and that it is held back by iOS. Both statements are strictly true.

If you...if you just bothered to read my first reply in this thread, none of this would happen.

Ah, that guy. Whatever Apple does, according to him, is wrong. There is no single positive critic of Apple on his channel.

His sentiments on iPad closely match mine, but still my point stands.

 

[AlexJoda]

You have Mac. Problem solved.

Touch devices do not need mouse nor desktop/laptop devices need touchscreen.

Cars do not need yokes, nor do airplanes need steering wheel.

And why did Apple add a keyboard and a pencil as additional input devices? I don’t get the logic that a mouse or any other indirect pointing device shouldn’t be possible...

 

[Nismo73]

I have a feeling they’re not gonna update the Pros until 2020 so Apple wasn’t going to give you everything all at once. Introduce the new Pro now and people are excited to buy it. Introduce new specific iPad features next fall in ios13 and excite people to buy it. I’m hoping they can introduce a few things before though in ios12.
Apple still needs to rake in billions every year some way some how.

 

[fm_carv]

And why did Apple add a keyboard and a pencil as additional input devices? I don’t get the logic that a mouse or any other indirect pointing device shouldn’t be possible...

Simple, attach the keyboard you have the whole screen available for whatever app you’re writing on.

The pencil is mainly for artists, sketching and some note taking

 

[eltoslightfoot]

They go on and on about how "fast" the new iPads are, which is great, but they're also still hobbled by clunky multitasking, a lack of pointer support (especially egregious when an external display is connected), and a filesystem that has been abstracted and sandboxed away into absurdity.

Apple (and lots of fanboys) go on and on about how these things are great for getting work done, how they can replace your laptop, etc., and I have to wonder, what kind of work are people doing? Because for me, in order to do my work I need to be able to refer to multiple different source documents in multiple different formats. I need to be able to quickly manipulate blocks of text, images, charts, etc., and without filesystem access, a mouse pointer, and windowed multitasking it quickly goes from tedious to torturous.

So, I'm sure lots of folks can "work" on an iPad, but I'm not one of them, not really. Writing on an iPad? Great fun. Completing a writing project on an iPad? Impossible.

So, seriously, when people say they can do their "work" on an iPad, what are they doing? I'm genuinely curious.

Well, with Scrivener and Apple Notes, I have written around 80,000 words for my novel. I have used an iPad Pro 12.9” and a Logi Create keyboard. So there is that. I do blog posts with Affinity Photo on my iPad. I use Procreate. I admit that I would use my Mac desktop to actually publish my book and other tasks, but it has definitely filled the need for a mobile solution.
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The iPad is an amazing computer within the narrow confines of its usefulness. Better than anything else on the market, by far.

We aren't saying that it isn't amazing, we are simply describing how -- for us --it could be made even more amazing.

A much better way of making the argument, and I agree. With the ability to use actual peripherals and connect to an external monitor, the sky would be the limit. That said, as a companion device to a desktop, I have found it to work just fine.

 

[AlexJoda]

Simple, attach the keyboard you have the whole screen available for whatever app you’re writing on.

The pencil is mainly for artists, sketching and some note taking

A keyboard is a contradiction to a touch device. It is totally weird to write on the keyboard and than switch to the display to edit something with a finger....A mouse or trackpad would make much more sense in this workflow...

 

[RudySnow]

The iPad Needs to be Just Like a Laptop tomfoolery keeps on going and going...

 

[secretk]

A keyboard is a contradiction to a touch device. It is totally weird to write on the keyboard and than switch to the display to edit something with a finger....A mouse or trackpad would make much more sense in this workflow...

The perfect device (for me) would have all three of them. If I want to write down notes, annotate books, draw, color I would use the device with the stylus taking advantage of the touch screen. If I have to type in work document, work email, check some spreadsheets I would use the keyboard and the trackpad and would not use at all the touchscreen.

That's my perfect device. I am not saying any company is ready to make it happen (you know it's either laptop that tries to be a tablet but fails or a a tablet that tries to be laptop and fails) but this is what I want to see in the future. Make this 13.3 inch device that has the option to extend displays to external monitors (this way I can even share my screen during work meetings). Now that's awesome.

I could use it during work meetings for taking notes, I could use it to type my email and do my work, I can even put it on a docking station and do my work at work on it. This is what I want. Unfortunately we are still not that close to that.

 

[AlexJoda]

The iPad Needs to be Just Like a Laptop tomfoolery keeps on going and going...

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It needs to be better than a laptop, not worse.....
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The perfect device (for me) would have all three of them. If I want to write down notes, annotate books, draw, color I would use the device with the stylus taking advantage of the touch screen. If I have to type in work document, work email, check some spreadsheets I would use the keyboard and the trackpad and would not use at all the touchscreen.

That's my perfect device. I am not saying any company is ready to make it happen (you know it's either laptop that tries to be a tablet but fails or a a tablet that tries to be laptop and fails) but this is what I want to see in the future. Make this 13.3 inch device that has the option to extend displays to external monitors (this way I can even share my screen during work meetings). Now that's awesome.

I could use it during work meetings for taking notes, I could use it to type my email and do my work, I can even put it on a docking station and do my work at work on it. This is what I want. Unfortunately we are still not that close to that.

We are not so far away with the iPad. They have all that is needed together with the MacOS background.....(and the resources of the biggest company in the world)

 

[chfilm]

Seriously? I could give you a dozen, but how about any word processor (Word, Pages, etc.).

I would be happy if any wordprocessor would just support basic desktop functionality, like when working with pictures inside of tables in pages...
But really, a mouse??
Can you imagine how silly it would look to have a mouse on the iOS home screen?

 

[D.T.]

The iPad has a filesystem, in fact, it's APFS, the same one used in MacOS (and tvOS/watchOS). It's not the f/s (though I realize when some people say "filesystem", it's my next point ...), it's how they expose it, and I'd suggest a completely open f/s isn't needed, even for more robust use cases / general operation. What is __probably__ needed to close the gap is some kind of more centralized abstraction, where files types / handlers are allowed some common access, maybe via a user based authentication (not unlike something like "App Req Photos Access"). I think there's a good solution that would let users manage/organize their files the way they want to, not expose unnecessary filesystem components, provides solid security, simply workflows that are complex due to silo'd data.

 

[TH3D4RKKN1GH7]

All I really want is for external storage to show up in the Files app and for apps to be able to speak directly to external drives. As a photographer, the latter is essential to using the iPad as a content creation device.

 

[Mr.Blacky]

What I get from threads like this, is that many of you want a notebook and not a tablet.

 

[AlexJoda]

What I get from threads like this, is that many of you want a notebook and not a tablet.

Not true! We want a better more usable iPad!

Thinking in categories like notebooks or tablets is so old school....

 

[Marzel]

What I get from threads like this, is that many of you want a notebook and not a tablet.

First of all, Apple is the one positioning it as one, so comparisons are valid. Second of all, I think different people ask for different things. There is a group that asks for a more traditional input method in the form of a mouse and which someone could argue it’s not necessarily needed and eliminates the purpose of a tablet. But what no one should argue against is the need of more freedom in the form of full access to a file system. Even “tablet” advocates should agree that more freedom in iOS is better especially for such a strong hardware.

 

[Waterman316]

I don’t understand it. Mouse/trackpad support is holding it back from being a laptop replacement? If you need that why not just buy a laptop? Their thin and easily just as portable now. All your doing by adding mouse/trackpad support to it, along with the physical keyboard, is turning it into a laptop.

I replaced my laptop, and aging 2011 mbp with my 10.5” iPad Pro when I bought it. I don’t have a huge need for a computer. So far I have been fine. But there are a few things I miss about having a computer. The ability to download stuff...move things to/from a external hard drive without some sort of work around. That’s the 2 biggest things I miss. Everything else I can already do on the iPad, or even on my iPhone.

 

[IowaLynn]

All I really want is for external storage to show up in the Files app and for apps to be able to speak directly to external drives. As a photographer, the latter is essential to using the iPad as a content creation device.

aka, Surface Pro but with iOS.

 

[Mr.Blacky]

Not true! We want a better more usable iPad!

Thinking in categories like notebooks or tablets is so old school....

You want a keyboard, you want a mouse/trackpad, you want it to (basically) work like Mac OS. But what you REALLY should want are good, functional pro apps with multitouch and tablet use in mind.
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First of all, Apple is the one positioning it as one, so comparisons are valid. Second of all, I think different people ask for different things. There is a group that asks for a more traditional input method in the form of a mouse and which someone could argue it’s not necessarily needed and eliminates the purpose of a tablet. But what no one should argue against is the need of more freedom in the form of full access to a file system. Even “tablet” advocates should agree that more freedom in iOS is better especially for such a strong hardware.

When and where did Apple positioning it as a Notebook?

 

[uecker87]

I don’t understand it. Mouse/trackpad support is holding it back from being a laptop replacement? If you need that why not just buy a laptop? Their thin and easily just as portable now. All your doing by adding mouse/trackpad support to it, along with the physical keyboard, is turning it into a laptop.

I replaced my laptop, and aging 2011 mbp with my 10.5” iPad Pro when I bought it. I don’t have a huge need for a computer. So far I have been fine. But there are a few things I miss about having a computer. The ability to download stuff...move things to/from a external hard drive without some sort of work around. That’s the 2 biggest things I miss. Everything else I can already do on the iPad, or even on my iPhone.

I am on the give me trackpad support / full file system bandwagon. The whole point of this device in my mind is to replace my laptop - not as a secondary device. It is marketed as a computer and priced high enough for one to expect more from it. Otherwise what is the point of the beastly A12X? Just for show right now...

Also something I haven't seen mentioned. If Apple gave me a LTE capable Macbook, then I would be all over that and never look at an iPad again. But they don't - so the iPad Pro would be absolutely perfect with trackpad/mouse support and a real usable file system.

Just my opinions... I see we all have very different ones on here relating to this discussion.
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You want a keyboard, you want a mouse/trackpad, you want it to (basically) work like Mac OS. But what you REALLY should want are good, functional pro apps with multitouch and tablet use in mind.
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When and where did Apple positioning it as a Notebook?

Apple is constantly marketing it as a computer and laptop replacement.

 

[Mr.Blacky]

I am on the give me trackpad support / full file system bandwagon. The whole point of this device in my mind is to replace my laptop - not as a secondary device. It is marketed as a computer and priced high enough for one to expect more from it. Otherwise what is the point of the beastly A12X? Just for show right now...

Also something I haven't seen mentioned. If Apple gave me a LTE capable Macbook, then I would be all over that and never look at an iPad again. But they don't - so the iPad Pro would be absolutely perfect with trackpad/mouse support and a real usable file system.

Just my opinions... I see we all have very different ones on here relating to this discussion.
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Apple is constantly marketing it as a computer and laptop replacement.

Yes, as a replacement (which it can be) and not as a notebook.

 

[Dammit Cubs]

I’m not a big fan of Dave 2D. At first, i thought he was okay, but I actually think his videos are annoying and what’s bothering me the most is that I know they are annoying and yet, i’m Still watching them.

Damn you Dave....

 

[Macalway]

iPads need mouse support, and OS X needs to run on iPads. Also, cross platform, and iOS emulation on Macs.

It's just getting to look pretty ridiculous. Frankly, I can't figure it out, why they are soooo afraid.

 

[CrazyForCashews]

It’s an iPad it’s not supposed to be needing any of those.

It would actually go against the purpose of the device itself

The same iPad that uses a stylus that Apple specifically made one for? The same iPad that Apple sells a keyboard cover for?

“It would actually go against the purpose of the device...”

What does this even mean?

Your finger or even the pencil is far more precise than a mouse.

Yeah... no.

A mouse is a superior form of input than any of those. But that’s not to say those forms of input don’t have their advantages or benefits in certain scenarios. Use your finger when you’re casually browsing, use the pencil for drawing, and use a mouse for real work.

 

[Marzel]

You want a keyboard, you want a mouse/trackpad, you want it to (basically) work like Mac OS. But what you REALLY should want are good, functional pro apps with multitouch and tablet use in mind.
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When and where did Apple positioning it as a Notebook?

They are positioning it as a versatile device that can replace “computers” and that opens it to direct comparisons with both desktop and laptop computers. Also technicalities aside, some of the proposed features from this forum are 100% valid and make sense even from a tablet’s perspective.