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Dave2D has NAILED the new iPadPro

The way I see it the iPad is a singular focus device while the Mac is a multi focus device.

If I’m on the couch and I wanna use Tapatalk to browse the MacRumors iPad forum, sit at a coffee shop and type out a paper/work on a spreadsheet/edit a home movie the iPad is that singular focus device.

If I need to compare data in a spreadsheet, have a VM open along with a SSH terminal session or anything requires you to see multiple windows (more than two side by side), the the Mac is the multi focus device.

In Apple’s ideal world, you own both. Then you decide based on what you need to do what device to take with you.
 
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I wish there was a mid tier iPad, better than the budget iPad but without all the features of the pro. Something like the older iPads like the air 2. They were reasonably priced and had good hardware. I can’t do with the non laminated display on the budget iPad and ok a sucker for a higher quality display.

Currently have the 10.5 inch iPad Pro, I like the quad speakers and the display and the size however I use it purely for content consumption. It’s not even due to the limitations of the iPad in comparison to the Mac. It’s simply that my needs are very basic. So yes it could replace my MacBook but at the same time I’m not sure about spending £1,000 every year when most of the features are wasted on me.

I’m not fully decided on whether I’ll upgrade this year or not.
 
fm_carv said:
It’s an iPad it’s not supposed to be needing any of those.

It would actually go against the purpose of the device itself
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Yet Apple sells a keyboard that essentially makes it a laptop with awkward screen poking to select things. Adding support for the Apple trackpad would make sense as that would give you a "finger" you can use more comfortably.

To me a Surface Pro like device running OSX or iOS with better ability to run software would be ideal for the work I do. Due to disappointment with the MBP I'm heavily considering Surface Pro for my next work machine but am not all that fond of Windows 10 and its various quirks.

We have the hardware, but we most likely have to wait until iOS 13 or 14 before we have the software.
 
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I agree that the new iPad 12.9 leaves me wondering, am I just better off with an air or pro device. The pencil, while nice for taking notes, isn’t a must, so besides the pencil, I don’t see the benefit of the iPad. Mines going back. And don’t get me wrong, hardware wise this thing is beautiful, with the exception it should have a sd slot.
 
jeremiah256 said:
I understand and agree with this concern but Apple owns the iPad in a way neither Microsoft nor Google own their devices. You don’t build an iOS app without taking into consideration Apple’s usability rules, which they can and do enforce.

Mouse support will not make the iPad a Surface.



With regard to iOS and full access to the file system, if the trade off is less security, then I’d vote for them keeping paranoid for a while longer. We are at the point where nations are putting their focus on accessing iOS and I’m all for seeing how some of this shakes out before we let down our guard.
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Well, most people just ask just for the ability to transfer, save and export files. You can still have a system that's closed down and not provide full access to the file system.
 
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infernoguy said:
The way I see it the iPad is a singular focus device while the Mac is a multi focus device.

If I’m on the couch and I wanna use Tapatalk to browse the MacRumors iPad forum, sit at a coffee shop and type out a paper/work on a spreadsheet/edit a home movie the iPad is that singular focus device.

If I need to compare data in a spreadsheet, have a VM open along with a SSH terminal session or anything requires you to see multiple windows (more than two side by side), the the Mac is the multi focus device.

In Apple’s ideal world, you own both. Then you decide based on what you need to do what device to take with you.
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But does it have to be? iPad supports multitasking, the 12.9" model has a screen as big as a small laptop. The issue is that multitasking is implemented erratically. You cannot trust that you can use it with every app and instead just get that all too slim hovering second app. A lot of Google apps are infuriating when something like Google Keep works with split screen multitasking but Google Maps does not. Apple needs to demand developers that they support the feature completely, for most developers this should not be a significant amount of extra work.

At the same time a lot of the apps for the power user on the iPad just don't exist, can't be used due to Apple's imposed limitations or require remoting to a server as a crutch. Things have gotten better for designers and music production folks with Pencil and apps suited for those workflows but for software developers the iPad is pretty much a no go because it can't run XCode, NodeJS, virtual machines etc. The main reason nobody is even developing these is because Apple doesn't want to let things like that run on their system.

Meanwhile the Surface Pro can do all of those things in a similar form factor but with the clunkiness of Windows 10 and a lot of non-tablet optimized UI. I feel like there is so much untapped potential for the iPad Pro and all it needs is better software but the problem has to be solved by Apple themselves and only then can 3rd party developers get in on the action.
 
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Techies has as usual difficulties to understand the iPad.

Ironically, the very interface they now so fiercely defend, GUI with mice, was dissmissed by techies the time when this user interface was popular:

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I think he does nail it, the hardware is stella, but its hamstrung by a confining operating system.

Nice take on the speed boost. Its something that we all drool over but then when we step back and think about it, how many of us really needed that boost in performance? I would venture most iPad owners were and are happy with their iPad's performance. I know I am, event though this seemingly is 2x faster then my current iPad. It looks amazing, no question, but it doesn't do anything more then what I can do now.
 
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If I could do a full encrypted backup on ios like I can on iTunes that would be a game changer for me. That's all I use my 2014 retina MacBook Pro for. iCloud backups aren't complete like iTunes.
 
Sorry, maybe I missed something, but was this a review of the new iPad Pro? Or a review of the CONCEPT of the iPad Pro as a tablet or a laptop?
 
kasakka said:
Yet Apple sells a keyboard that essentially makes it a laptop with awkward screen poking to select things. Adding support for the Apple trackpad would make sense as that would give you a "finger" you can use more comfortably.

To me a Surface Pro like device running OSX or iOS with better ability to run software would be ideal for the work I do. Due to disappointment with the MBP I'm heavily considering Surface Pro for my next work machine but am not all that fond of Windows 10 and its various quirks.

We have the hardware, but we most likely have to wait until iOS 13 or 14 before we have the software.
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Tech reviewer and journalist, Andy Ihnatko, said that the new iPad Pro was suspiciously powerful. As in, yes, software is coming that will be worthy of the hardware. I hope he (and you) are right.
 
jeremiah256 said:
software is coming that will be worthy of the hardware.
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How so, D2D's major contention that the lack of a fully exposed file system is one of the major hindrances to having the iPad a full on laptop replacement. I think its more along the lines that Apple has it locked down, not just the file system but other avenues. He did mention, the lack of mouse/cursor external storage, I think these are probably more important then the exposed file system. Of course I'm using my perspective and needs, as the basis, other people's usage will result in a different opinion :)
 
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jeremiah256 said:
Tech reviewer and journalist, Andy Ihnatko, said that the new iPad Pro was suspiciously powerful. As in, yes, software is coming that will be worthy of the hardware.
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I dont understand that rationale.

Implementing either a file system or a mouse cursor (the two most demanded features towards real laptop replacement nirvana) would NOT require any extra CPU/GPU power. Literally, the base $379 iPad could sport these features hardware-wise, if Apple really wanted to provide them.
 
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maflynn said:
How so, D2D's major contention that the lack of a fully exposed file system is one of the major hindrances to having the iPad a full on laptop replacement. I think its more along the lines that Apple has it locked down, not just the file system but other avenues. He did mention, the lack of mouse/cursor external storage, I think these are probably more important then the exposed file system. Of course I'm using my perspective and needs, as the basis, other people's usage will result in a different opinion :)
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I’m guessing come iOS 13, the Files app will be the intermediate between attached storage and the device, just as @Marzel mentioned earlier. Add in opening two copies of the same app, trackpad/mouse support and more top apps from developers and the iPad Pro becomes a Surface Pro killer for many people.
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Koh Phi Phi said:
I dont understand that rationale.

Implementing either a file system or a mouse cursor (the two most demanded features towards real laptop replacement nirvana) would NOT require any extra CPU/GPU power. Literally, the base $379 iPad could sport these features hardware-wise, if Apple really wanted to provide them.
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I think he was including Photoshop level apps in his analysis.
 
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fm_carv said:
It’s an iPad it’s not supposed to be needing any of those.

It would actually go against the purpose of the device itself
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That might have been true in 2012, but back then you couldn't spend 2k on an iPad and iPads didn't have the juice they have now.
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Mockletoy said:
The Surface is a great laptop
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Have you ever used one? I have, used one for a month, and all I could think the whole time was 'god, I wish I had a laptop instead' and 'god Windows is the most annoying thing ever'.
 
Knowimagination said:
I really hope that people who want to turn the ipad into just a touchscreen macbook will just jump ship to the surface because I don't want a touch screen macbook, I want the iPad do I want them to continue to improve the usefullness of the iPad through better iOS updates? Of course! but I don't want them to just mimick a MBP I want it to continue to be developed as an iPad keep your mice for your laptops and don't try and ruin a device I like by forcing it into some tiny box of what you think makes a computer.
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Nobody wants what you describe here. However it’s solely your and some few other folks’ fear that one of the big innovator companies would be unable to integrate mouse support and touch into a joint experience.

I believe they could easily do it to a degree that only those who attach a mouse would even feel a difference. People keep asking for more options and I don’t understand how having less options makes your experience on any form better or more pure or what not. These things are marketed as production monsters and users and reviewers want the input methods that support these use cases.
 
Im returning the 12.9 its just a toy for me and not worth it, just a big iphone, my macbook is all i need shame its nice but not worth it
 
Knowimagination said:
It's really not weird though, If they add mouse support to iOS then what happens is instead of app developers focusing on making a great experience for a touch input device they start to think about how to best utilize both options and then the potential to just port over your app that ends up working much better with a pointer than touch input becomes a reality and the need to innovate great apps for the iPad potentially starts to slip away.
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That’s guessing. When the pencil came into play Procreate and other apps didn’t decrease in touch quality either.
 
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jeremiah256 said:
I’m guessing come iOS 13, the Files app will be the intermediate between attached storage and the device, just as @Marzel mentioned earlier. Add in opening two copies of the same app, trackpad/mouse support and more top apps from developers and the iPad Pro becomes a Surface Pro killer for many people.
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Your optimism is based on sound reasoning, but I would be surprised if there is any significant changes to iOS 13 to address the issues that some of us have been pointing out.

When it was announced that Apple was bringing Finder-like capabilities to the iPad via iOS 11, I said at the time not to expect too much. When Files.app arrived, it was indeed far less than many were expecting it to be. It is essentially nothing more than Apple's version of Documents by Readdle.

Rinse and repeat with USB-C. The hopes and expectations exceeded the reality.

Since Apple makes money on their hardware, I suspect that the 4th gen (or perhaps 5th gen) iPad Pros will introduce support for mice/trackpads that will be unique to those particular devices. (in other words, older iPads will not get that support) They have to provide increasing reasons for people to buy their newer, more expensive iPads. Mouse/Trackpad support would be killer for a significant segment of the customer base who would pony-up for the Pro.

I know that I'm only one person, but I have absolutely no desire to get one of these 3rd gen Pros, but if Apple were to produce a 4th gen that offered mouse/trackpad support, I'd be all over it.
 
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kasakka said:
Yet Apple sells a keyboard that essentially makes it a laptop with awkward screen poking to select things. Adding support for the Apple trackpad would make sense as that would give you a "finger" you can use more comfortably.

To me a Surface Pro like device running OSX or iOS with better ability to run software would be ideal for the work I do. Due to disappointment with the MBP I'm heavily considering Surface Pro for my next work machine but am not all that fond of Windows 10 and its various quirks.

We have the hardware, but we most likely have to wait until iOS 13 or 14 before we have the software.
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Note 9 8/512 with DeX.

Microsoft first intended to use Snapdragon in the Surface Go.
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/snapdragon-cpu-originally-intended-for-surface-go/

Then there is the SD 1000:
https://www.bing.com/search?q=Qualcomm Snapdragon 1000
 
ericwn said:
That’s guessing. When the pencil came into play Procreate and other apps didn’t decrease in touch quality either.
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Agreed. I suspect that if Apple does add some of the missing features that some people have mentioned that they need in their work flow, that some of the most vocal critics will be crowing about how magical it is.

iOS is what is holding the iPad back and most of the requested features could be added without ruining the tablet experience.
 
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