Did Apple use the same iPhone/iPod platform on the iPad to cash in the App Store?

[pirateRACE]

:lol:

I assure you, none of your rights are being violated.

+1

It's pretty simple. Yes, Apple is coddling their customers by controlling the Apps they can download and install on there phone. It's their right too. Why should they pander to people who want it to be open?

Let's say they do make it open... Sure, some people can be responsible... but when the IT guy at Joe SixPack's job shows him how he can also d/l apps off the web and two weeks later he bricks his phone or some malware accesses his personal information, he will show up at the Apple Store pissed as all hell. Now it's Apple's problem, because he's come to expect that the iPhone is a safe playground.

If I would have told anyone less than 3 years ago that you could go on your iPhone and browse a catalog of over 150,000 apps, would anyone have questioned it's "openess"?

 

[samcraig]

+1

It's pretty simple. Yes, Apple is coddling their customers by controlling the Apps they can download and install on there phone. It's their right too. Why should they pander to people who want it to be open?

Let's say they do make it open... Sure, some people can be responsible... but when the IT guy at Joe SixPack's job shows him how he can also d/l apps off the web and two weeks later he bricks his phone or some malware accesses his personal information, he will show up at the Apple Store pissed as all hell. Now it's Apple's problem, because he's come to expect that the iPhone is a safe playground.

If I would have told anyone less than 3 years ago that you could go on your iPhone and browse a catalog of over 150,000 apps, would anyone have questioned it's "openess"?

The only error in logic there that I see is that people who have PCs in this day and age don't blame HP, Dell, Gateway or the manufacturers if they download a virus or have a security breach. So saying that people would blame Apple *might* be more of an excuse than an actual fact. Who can say.

 

[pirateRACE]

The only error in logic there that I see is that people who have PCs in this day and age don't blame HP, Dell, Gateway or the manufacturers if they download a virus or have a security breach. So saying that people would blame Apple *might* be more of an excuse than an actual fact. Who can say.

You are right. They don't. Because viruses are a given with careless PC users. BUT, to my point, Apple has built reputation on the fact that they can control the user experience to make it safe and secure. This is what they are known for. An open iPhone OS wouldn't remove this expectation, but it sure would put 75 million users potentially at risk. And that reflects poorly on Apples name.

 

[MikhailT]

Yea, but when I buy the hardware what rights do I get? They should not be allowed to prevent jailbreaking, IMHO. If they did nothing to prevent jailbreaking phones then I'd have no problems.

You have the right to wipe the device and install your own OS or jailbreak it or whatever. Apple is not obligated to help you do that.

You do not own the iPhone OS, you are licensing it from Apple. Just like you don't own Mac OS X, Apple is merely letting you do whatever you want on the OS X but if they wanted to, they could have done the same thing.

 

[AJsAWiz]

Is this question for real?

Well, at least you understood the "wordy" question

 

[Nausicaa]

You are right. They don't. Because viruses are a given with careless PC users. BUT, to my point, Apple has built reputation on the fact that they can control the user experience to make it safe and secure. This is what they are known for. An open iPhone OS wouldn't remove this expectation, but it sure would put 75 million users potentially at risk. And that reflects poorly on Apples name.

That just isn't a reasonable explanation. Clearly, Apple is practicing subversive kinds of mind control.

Seriously, it amazes me that people have the gaul to make this argument when the iPhone has hundreds of thousands of apps of every kind, and the last thing you'll ever hear an iPhone user complain about is a lack of choice. How could anyone imagine it would be a better idea to have several stores, thereby making it much easier for a user to never see an app they might enjoy, and limiting a developers potential audience?

The fact that Apple has chosen to develop a 'closed' system on these portable devices is exactly why we are able to download music, movies, and games directly to our devices with the touch of a button.

Years ago everyone (myself included) was bitching about DRM, a much more onerous restriction than anything mentioned in this thread. But without DRM, it is likely that legal digital distribution of music would never have taken off the way it did.

 

[thiagos]

I really do want an iPad but without a webcam and an usb port, it is truly an obsolete item for my needs, that's excluding the fact that it runs on the iPhone platform.
I think Apple (as I mentioned before) is trying to little by little become another Microsoft who for a period of time, thought of themselves as indestructible, that was one of the reasons I switched to Apple due to Microsoft's arrogance and monopoly.

If you think about it, if you buy tons of MP3s and apps from Apple, after you've invested thousands of dollars on something you can only use with an Apple product, then you are stuck. That is what I meant when I started the thread, the monopoly behind this product.
I am an apple fan but I know the difference between right and wrong. I truly pitty the people who stand behind a company no matter what, when the company can give two ***** about them.

 

[thiagos]

For a tablet device - the "easiest" and most logical was to build on the iPhone OS.

That being said - the iPad is primarily a media/content delivery system in which Apple is hoping/has made it pretty obvious that the content is to come from their iTunes store. (Music, Video, Apps, eBooks).

Nothing "new" here.

Easiest, yes. Logical, no.

 

[thiagos]

Never will happen for iPhone, I can see for iPad but they're not going to do it.

If you want to download the apps from other source, go jailbreak it. I'm sure iPad will be jailbroken sometime. The fact of the matter is, Apple has the right to determine what can get on their devices, if you don't like it, go buy something else. Apple won't care about losing you or 10,000 customers like you, they already got more than 100K customers right now. They can handle losing 10-50k to gain 1-20m customers.



Don't confuse iTunes with the App store. They barely make money off iTunes's content but they make far more with the App store. Remember Apple makes 30% off every paid app sale, they don't have that with the content in the iTunes.

Really? So you don't think 30% profit on an application is not enough? Considering the fact that they have sold over 3 billion apps since it's launch. The typical apps range from $0.99 to $4.99, not including the ones that cost over $10 to buy.
30% profit on over 3 billion apps is a lot of money my friend, A LOT!

 

[Nausicaa]

Easiest, yes. Logical, no.

Right, because following the broken model of Windows tablet computers that have failed to capture much attention from anyone is much more logical. Or maybe they should have spent millions and taken a huge risk developing an entirely new, third OS? Clearly, much more logical than leveraging the enormous success they've achieved with the near universally acclaimed iPhone OS, one that also so happens to be perfectly designed for touch screens just like the iPad. An OS they've already developed and improved substantially in the few years since its release?

 

[JonHimself]

Easiest, yes. Logical, no.

When given the choice of an OS that was built for touch input from the ground up or an OS that has been used on desktops for years with little to no attention paid to touch input, how is the iPhone OS not the logical one to be chosen for the iPad?

 

[Nausicaa]

I truly pitty the people who stand behind a company no matter what, when the company can give two ***** about them.

I don't buy Apple products because I think Apple is my friend. I buy them because the company almost without fail, manages to consistently provide a superior user experience. A huge, multinational company only gives two ***** about their customers in so far as they can manage to please them with a great product and take their money. On those terms, I'd say Apple cares more than most.

 

[thiagos]

Right, because following the broken model of Windows tablet computers that have failed to capture much attention from anyone is much more logical. Or maybe they should have spent millions and taken a huge risk developing an entirely new, third OS? Clearly, much more logical than leveraging the enormous success they've achieved with the near universally acclaimed iPhone OS, one that also so happens to be perfectly designed for touch screens just like the iPad. An OS they've already developed and improved substantially in the few years since its release?

Universally acclaimed for a "phone". I think for a phone, the iPhone OSX is fantastic. For a tablet not so much. Why would anyone want a tablet, if they got an iPhone or an iTouch?
HP was able to implement a webcam, multitasking with their HP Slate. I think Apple could have done a much better job, or at least include an isight, at this day in age, a webcam is standard.
I would get an HP Slate if it wasn't for the Windows OS.

 

[conniewilson11]

You have the right to wipe the device and install your own OS or jailbreak it or whatever. Apple is not obligated to help you do that.

You do not own the iPhone OS, you are licensing it from Apple. Just like you don't own Mac OS X, Apple is merely letting you do whatever you want on the OS X but if they wanted to, they could have done the same thing.

yeap, they could have done the same thing.

 

[thiagos]

I don't buy Apple products because I think Apple is my friend. I buy them because the company almost without fail, manages to consistently provide a superior user experience. A huge, multinational company only gives two ***** about their customers in so far as they can manage to please them with a great product and take their money. On those terms, I'd say Apple cares more than most.

A lot of people in this forum would let Steve Jobs **** on their faces and they would still say it smelled good, so yes some people will never ever criticize Apple, even if it was run by Hitler. Stop twisting my words, you know exactly what I meant.

 

[hitekalex]

Aside from getting crappy softcore porn apps that may or may not brick your iPad, what are the advantages of having two stores? You might respond 'consumer choice', but out of every iPhone owner I know, myself included, not a single one laments a lack of options on the app store.

Speak for yourself. As someone said last week, Apple's App Store is a sterile Disneyfied walled garden. Despite thousands of useless crossword puzzle and flashlight apps.. it lacks Google Voice apps, non-Webkit based web browsers, alternative media players, BitTorrent clients.. the list can go on.

Basically, anything that Apple doesn't approve of or considers competitive with its own core services - you will never see it on App Store and consequently your iPhone/iPad.

And it's not just about "consumer choice". It's also about Developer's choice to market their apps directly to consumers, without going through Apple's ludicrous approval process and privilege to pay 30% app store tax.

I don't know why this is so hard to understand for people.. Closed computing is NOT a good thing.. it never was a good thing.. it never will succeed in the long run. Apple has capitalized on a relative immaturity of smartphone app market to create a totalitarian control over its ecosystem. It will be a losing strategy in the long run, and possibly an undoing of Apple.

 

[JonHimself]

A lot of people in this forum would let Steve Jobs **** on their faces and they would still say it smelled good, so yes some people will never ever criticize Apple, even if it was run by Hitler. Stop twisting my words, you know exactly what I meant.

Hitler simile's are like, so 2001.. or wait, Hitler metaphors? ..

 

[thiagos]

Hitler simile's are like, so 2001.. or wait, Hitler metaphors? ..

What are you? 12?

LOL, you are a true example of what I talked about. Enough said...

 

[Compile 'em all]

You guys really really have issues when it comes to understanding product development.

The iPad is not a Mac. It is a completely different device. It has different hardware. Different ergonomics. You interact with it differently. It responds differently to user interaction. The definition of "multitasking" on such a device is different.

People insisting that desktop snow leopard should have been put on the iPad need some serious help.

 

[foxnews1]

I don't know why this is so hard to understand for people.. Closed computing is NOT a good thing.. it never was a good thing.. it never will succeed in the long run. Apple has capitalized on a relative immaturity of smartphone app market to create a totalitarian control over its ecosystem. It will be a losing strategy in the long run, and possibly an undoing of Apple.

I agree on this closed system point. Apple will not able to capitalize on their closed-system without lower profit margin when they become too big/mature and slow to innovate. Not to mention, apple is run by dictatorship. When Steve Job is gone, this one-man company's fate is unknown.

Apple chose iphone OS and app store because this is a mobile device with battery limitation.

at current tech, you have to pick either:
1) Powerful Intel x86 architecture and OSX but sacrifying battery
or
2) less powerful ARM architecture and lite-version iphone OS with longer battery life.

in other words, ipad/iphone OS can't run full-size MS office or Desktop games. On the other hand, powerful OSX can run anything but won't last long on battery.

 

[Spudracer]

Does every citizen of the world who is capable of owing an iPhone have an iPhone? If not, there is more money to be made if the correct choices are made.

As I stated above, I know many people who refuse to buy anything Apple because of the tight control they hold over the app store. Maybe Apple could sell more iPhones by letting the reins out a bit?

I fail to see how doing so would be detrimental to the user experience.

On the other hand, I buy Apple products exclusively specifically because of the control they exercise over their ecosystem. That business model guarantees the customer a consistent and trouble free experience if it's executed well. And Apple executes it better than anyone else.

If you'd rather have the wide open "build your own" ecosystem and libertarian software liabilities of Microsoft and Google then please feel free to enjoy the bed you make. But leave Apple alone. They're meeting a lot of people's needs just fine.

 

[newyorksole]

I think that Apple used the iPhone OS platform on the iPad because

1) It IS logical AND easy because obviously the system works and provides an amazing experience

2) Hell yeah they wanna cash in on the App Store & iTunes Store ! Apple is a CORPORATION, they must make money

 

[Spudracer]

I agree on this closed system point. Apple will not able to capitalize on their closed-system without lower profit margin when they become too big/mature and slow to innovate. Not to mention, apple is run by dictatorship. When Steve Job is gone, this one-man company's fate is unknown.

Apple chose iphone OS and app store because this is a mobile device with battery limitation.

at current tech, you have to pick either:
1) Powerful Intel x86 architecture and OSX but sacrifying battery
or
2) less powerful ARM architecture and lite-version iphone OS with longer battery life.

in other words, ipad/iphone OS can't run full-size MS office or Desktop games. On the other hand, powerful OSX can run anything but won't last long on battery.

Oh, I totally agree. Apple is absolutely stifling innovation and bringing progress to a standstill. They will never survive doing what they're doing. And they'll go broke doing it.

Why just look at the fantastic innovation coming out of the open platform environment created by the likes Microsoft and Dell and HP and Google. Look at all the superior tablet devices they have promised to deliver someday. Look at the army of developers they have given an opportunity to create wealth for themselves. And look at the resulting flood of creative products for those platforms. Look at the way those open platforms are changing the music industry, the newspaper publishing industry, the book publishing industry, the magazine publishing industry. Look at the way all that innovation is changing the society we live in.

And now we segue back to reality..........

The open platform crowd (aka random chaos club) is milling around bumping into each other while creating operating systems and hardware that don't work well together while serving no particular vision. Nobody is developing independent apps for them because the ecosystem is pretty much a tar pit. And even if they do, they have no efficient way to take their godawful mess to consumers. They are being ignored by the music industry, the movie industry, and every nook and cranny of the entire publishing industry.

LINUXXXXXX, it coulda been a contenduh!

Just thought I'd throw that in too.

 

[hitekalex]

Why just look at the fantastic innovation coming out of the open platform environment created by the likes Microsoft and Dell and HP and Google. Look at all the superior tablet devices they have promised to deliver someday. Look at the army of developers they have given an opportunity to create wealth for themselves.

Please set aside the kool-aid for a second. Android has over 30,000 apps in the Market today. HTC already shipping several phones that kick the pants off iPhone, and 4G SuperSonic phone being announced tomorrow. Dell Streak mini-tablet looks incredible and will integrate with Amazon music/video/e-book stores. Microsoft Courier and WP7S OS push the envelop of innovation further.

The world doesn't revolve around Apple and its wall gardened and locked down iPhoneOS ecosystem.

 

[Spudracer]

Please set aside the kool-aid for a second. Android has over 30,000 apps in the Market today. HTC already shipping several phones that kick the pants off iPhone, and 4G SuperSonic phone being announced tomorrow. Dell Streak mini-tablet looks incredible and will integrate with Amazon music/video/e-book stores. Microsoft Courier and WP7S OS push the envelop of innovation further.

The world doesn't revolve around Apple and its wall gardened and locked down iPhoneOS ecosystem.

Oh yes it does. Where's the media buzz for the Dell whatsit tablet? Who the hell is waiting for that launch?

And no phone is kicking the iPhone's butt. Take a look at the numbers.