Dislike daily limit

[russell_314]

Then, they can restrict them to the "laxative room", so that they can post all their crap there, to get it out of their system and perhaps, they can later be elevated to the "become an adult room", so that they can learn to post appropriately. After a while there, they can be let out into the regular forums.

This reminds me of a similar thought I had. When a post gets deleted because of moderation I don’t think there’s a way to see what was posted. I’ve had a couple of that got deleted because I replied to a moderated post and I realize that’s not because something I said, but something I quoted. It would be interesting if there was a way where instead of the post was deleted it went to like a trash folder that only the person that posted it could see and after maybe seven days was deleted. Maybe this will give people ability to actually read over what they said and think about it. I usually don’t remember what I post an hour after Ipost it. 😂

 

[bousozoku]

This reminds me of a similar thought I had. When a post gets deleted because of moderation I don’t think there’s a way to see what was posted. I’ve had a couple of that got deleted because I replied to a moderated post and I realize that’s not because something I said, but something I quoted. It would be interesting if there was a way where instead of the post was deleted it went to like a trash folder that only the person that posted it could see and after maybe seven days was deleted. Maybe this will give people ability to actually read over what they said and think about it. I usually don’t remember what I post an hour after Ipost it. 😂

That would also be good.

However, what I'm seeing is that some people are never wrong. Everyone else in the world is wrong.

 

[Weaselboy]

When a post gets deleted because of moderation I don’t think there’s a way to see what was posted.

The forum software does not have a way to allow that.

You can always send in a support ticket using the contact us link and an admin can let you know what your deleted post was. Not a problem at all.

Contact us

forums.macrumors.com

Often when I delete fairly old posts, like a couple weeks old, I don't send that notice because it will only confuse the forum member.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

Then, they can restrict them to the "laxative room", so that they can post all their crap there, to get it out of their system and perhaps, they can later be elevated to the "become an adult room", so that they can learn to post appropriately. After a while there, they can be let out into the regular forums.

This idea has considerable merit, I must say.

 

[bousozoku]

This idea has considerable merit, I must say.

I suspected that a few might find the ideas useful but they would not be implemented, of course.

Oh, wait. That's one of those British sayings. 😁

 

[Scepticalscribe]

I suspected that a few might find the ideas useful but they would not be implemented, of course.

Oh, wait. That's one of those British sayings. 😁

Ah.

In that case, then, I shall confine myself to the (understated) observation that this (your suggestion) is "not bad".

 

[bousozoku]

Ah.

In that case, then, I shall confine myself to the (understated) observation that this (your suggestion) is "not bad".

Now, I'm heading to Google Translate for the UK English to Japanese translation, so I correct the translation for such phrases. 😁

 

[G5isAlive]

Actually, and unfortunately, I think that it is not just a case of: "I don't like what you are saying, but I'm not sure why I don't like it", but rather, more, a lazy, dismissive, case of: "I don't like what you are saying, and I cannot be bothered to explain why."

While true for some, I don't think the norm is this bad. I rarely give a thumbs down to a post that actually provides technical information, and some logic. Instead, if I can provide additional technical information in a comment I do so. I typically leave thumbs down to comments that are just negative opinions devoid of data, don't provide anything useful to the conversation, and have been repeated by the same person several times and when questioned, the person often just doubles down with more rudeness. That gets a thumbs down from me to register my disapproval and I don't think needs explanation. You can't argue with stupidity.

Often it is the same poster over and over that earns a thumbs down. What is really amusing is when that person complains about a thumbs down. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

I don't have a problem with a limit to thumbs down. I rarely hit it.

 

[turbineseaplane]

I like to keep it simple

I use the "Dislike/Disagree" emoji for things I dislike or disagree with, and then almost always follow up in the thread with my thoughts on why.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Often it is the same poster over and over that earns a thumbs down. What is really amusing is when that person complains about a thumbs down. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Careful doing that, as it can be construed as trolling

 

[G5isAlive]

Careful doing that, as it can be construed as trolling

How so? Honestly, how so? Please tell me, because I think life is too short to worry so much about a thumbs down.

 

[russell_314]

The forum software does not have a way to allow that.

You can always send in a support ticket using the contact us link and an admin can let you know what your deleted post was. Not a problem at all.

Contact us

forums.macrumors.com

Yeah, I figured like everything with technology you’re using something existing. I’m not going to bother the mods for my curiosity. That’s usually the case for me. I was thinking maybe for other people you could educate them, but if the software doesn’t have that feature, then you can’t do it.

Often when I delete fairly old posts, like a couple weeks old, I don't send that notice because it will only confuse the forum member.

Kind of reminds me when I get hit on Facebook for some of me I posted two years ago. I don’t even remember posting it 😂

Edited for typo

 

[turbineseaplane]

How so? Honestly, how so? Please tell me, because I think life is too short to worry so much about a thumbs down.

I think it’s probably better for a moderator to weigh in.

I have been instructed to report if a user unloads their daily dislike allotment on me in succession, post after post, specifically because it can be looked at as potentially trolling. I assume this is especially true if there are no actual comments.

I, however, of course am not a moderator so I will defer to anyone else’s opinion on this

 

[G5isAlive]

I think it’s probably better for a moderator to weigh in.

I have been instructed to report if a user unloads their daily dislike allotment on me in succession, post after post, specifically because it can be looked at as potentially trolling. I assume this is especially true if there are no actual comments.

I, however, of course am not a moderator so I will defer to anyone else’s opinion on this

With all due respect, suggesting I am trolling when I am commenting on someone else's post in a respectful fashion.... seems strange and now you wont explain your comment but suggest a moderator should weigh in.

just strange but perhaps fitting considering the topic. shrugs.

 

[Weaselboy]

With all due respect, suggesting I am trolling when I am commenting on someone else's post in a respectful fashion.... seems strange and now you wont explain your comment but suggest a moderator should weigh in.

just strange but perhaps fitting considering the topic. shrugs.

I don't think @turbineseaplane was referring to comments, but rather serial downvoting. For example, if someone got annoyed with you and went through your post history and started downvoting all your posts without ever replying, we might view that as trolling and take some action. We review these case by case as a team and come to a consensus.

 

[FeliApple]

I think the disagree and dislike reactions are just boring. If I disagree, I’ll make my case. If I don’t want to, I won’t say anything. If the limit were to be 0 or one million, it would be fine by me.

 

[G5isAlive]

I don't think @turbineseaplane was referring to comments, but rather serial downvoting. For example, if someone got annoyed with you and went through your post history and started downvoting all your posts without ever replying, we might view that as trolling and take some action. We review these case by case as a team and come to a consensus.

Yep, got that part. Except, I was NOT referring to his serial downvoting comment but to his previous comment to me rather out of the blue, 'Careful doing that, as it can be construed as trolling'. Frankly I see someone calling me out for potentially trolling, and then refusing to explain why, to border on the offense itself. What is your comment to that?

I do appreciate the efforts of the staff puts into the policing of serial downvotes. I have 'benefited' from this myself on one of the very rare occasions I have referred a post for review. A person had down just that, serial downvotes, okay, I get it, he didn't like what I was saying. I could take that. But then, that person apparently created another account, and that account downvoted 4 posts of mine in one minute from two separate threads, left no other votes except a thumbs up to the first person .. making the whole thing sketchy. Reported it. The second account went away, the first no action was taken.

I had the opinion that this angst over down votes was silly... in the end of the day what does it matter? And I viewed the suggestions that the process be changed, maybe downvotes be eliminated, or a requirement for comment, as... over complicating a straight forward system. But I guess now I don't know, it seems downvotes are being treated differently by the moderators.

I have said in this thread, and will say again, it's just a downvote. I do observe some people tend to attract them more than others, but that doesn't mean it's personal. I could also mean that one person will keep repeating the same (oops I guess I am now) viewpoint I find to be worthy of a down vote. So I will award that comment with a down vote. That's the system.

Why don't I comment each time? Often it's because I have already made my position clear and the reason for my downvote should be clear. And often I just don't want to get involved tit for tat back and forth replies that brings no resolution or clarification.

Can downvotes be abused? Sure. So can upvotes. Moderators are in a no win situation as people will never be satisfied. You take away the voting system and people will complain. You leave it as is, people will complain.

 

[Weaselboy]

Yep, got that part. Except, I was NOT referring to his serial downvoting comment but to his previous comment to me rather out of the blue, 'Careful doing that, as it can be construed as trolling'. Frankly I see someone calling me out for potentially trolling, and then refusing to explain why, to border on the offense itself. What is your comment to that?

Maybe I misunderstood. You mentioned downvoting multiple posts by the same person, and I thought @turbineseaplane was trying to warn you that may be viewed as trolling. Sorry if I am off base.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Maybe I misunderstood. You mentioned downvoting multiple posts by the same person, and I thought @turbineseaplane was trying to warn you that may be viewed as trolling. Sorry if I am off base.

You correctly interpreted what I meant @Weaselboy

 

[turbineseaplane]

@G5isAlive You'd said this:

Often it is the same poster over and over that earns a thumbs down. What is really amusing is when that person complains about a thumbs down. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

In response to that (I quoted exactly that portion) I said:

Careful doing that, as it can be construed as trolling

I don't know how I could have been more clear.
I specifically called out the suggestion of repeated thumbs down reactions to "the same poster over and over"

(to quote what you said.)

 

[G5isAlive]

@G5isAlive You'd said this:



In response to that (I quoted exactly that portion) I said:



I don't know how I could have been more clear.
I specifically called out the suggestion of repeated thumbs down reactions to "the same poster over and over"

(to quote what you said.)

Yep. Except it's not trolling if it is true. Which part isn't true?

Let's quote something else I said.

"I do observe some people tend to attract them more than others, but that doesn't mean it's personal. I could also mean that one person will keep repeating the same (oops I guess I am now) viewpoint I find to be worthy of a down vote. So I will award that comment with a down vote. That's the system. "

And I am going to stand by that. If that is me trolling, then moderators please do what you need to do. This back and forth is exactly why I don't agree that people should be forced to explain downvotes. Sometimes it's as simple as agree to disagree, but one can still register they don't agree.

You said you didn't feel the need to explain why you thought I was trolling... because it's obvious, yet you have said numerous times people should justify their down votes with a comment. Sometimes it's just obvious. Agree to disagree.

Accusing someone of trolling is serious business. Much more than someone leaving a down vote or two.

But cool. You do you.

 

[turbineseaplane]

I’ve said all I have to say on this

🙏

 

[G5isAlive]

Maybe I misunderstood. You mentioned downvoting multiple posts by the same person, and I thought @turbineseaplane was trying to warn you that may be viewed as trolling. Sorry if I am off base.

Thank you and I do appreciate what you are saying. This is NOT directed to you, but I would like to put forward a different perspective that apparently I have not been effective at communicating yet given the confusion.

I am an optimist, I don't look for negative motivations. I am a pragmatist, I don't complain about what I can't change, but look to see if tools do the job I need to be done. So people that continually look for the negative tend to disagree with me and vica versa. And I comment and leave disagrees accordingly. It's not the commenter but the comment I disagree with. I also don't like bullies, and I tend to down vote that kind of behavior.

I gave an example where it was obvious that someone looked in my message list and in less than a minute jumped from thread to thread to down vote me. That's obvious trolling.

The caveat is a thread like this one where people continuously voice the same opinion, they may perceive I am singling them out, but the timing suggests I am actually reading, I am just disagreeing with the sentiment. And often there maybe someone echoing that comment, that gets a down vote too.

I appreciate the two cases get muddy and it's not black and white. I don't envy the moderators. Thank you for allowing this system to not be overly complicated, even when it makes your job harder.

To the thread's topic, I do support a limit on down votes, but do think the system should be kept simple. People should not be required to justify downvotes in comments as has been suggested.