Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Very well-thought out post. Funny you mention internal storage--I can attest to that. My friend's iPhone 5S (16GB) became unusable. Literally, unusable. It was ridiculous. Why? Because his phone has no space left. My iPhone 5 64GB outperformed his phone and it's a year older than his!



This. I know that Android has less control over what apps do with its file system which is in-part what worried me. But surely, for power users like you, me, and many others on this forum, this shouldn't be an issue. I think earlier in this thread I mentioned Windows users who will find a way to cripple their machines within months of purchase. On the other hand, I never had an issue with my previous computer (Windows PC) and I owned that thing for over five years. Android must be a bit like that.

Haha, yes your first paragraph is exactly what my experience has been. That's why I always push friends/family to get minimum of 32GB still (which other cousins, and my sister, did listen to me). It's why this rumor of the iPhone 7 finally increasing the base limit to 32GB is so sorely needed. Doesn't matter if Apple uses app slicing, it can't replcae having more internal storage.

As for your second paragraph, I couldn't have put it better myself. I don't mind managing my device, especially because I feel I get more functionality and flexibility out of my device. A computer is slightly different as both OS X and Windows are full blown computers that have access to the file system but with Windows I can build my own PC just the way I like, and I am willing to deal with whatever random stuff Windows throws at me for that benefit (though I mostly use a Mac). As you said, I haven't had issues (even with Vista) because I manage things. Some users, especially some Apple users, like that they don't have to manage their devices so much. To each their own.
 
  • Like
Reactions: jamezr
But when the same thing--as in all kinds of people's posts about issues--is used to support that Apple is not doing well, or has worse quality, or is doing things on purpose (e.g., planned obsolescence), then that is often used as "proof" by many that have a bone to pick with Apple and when the same thing gets pointed out it just gets dismissed. Can't really have it both ways it seems, right?

So, because there are irrational iPhone (or Apple) bashers it's only fair to have irrational post_your_hated_brand_of_choice bashers? That makes no sense to me.

Everyone knows that the iPhone is a great phone. To dismiss the iPhone (in general) to be a great phone makes zero sense. To dismiss the current Galaxy line being a great phone makes just as little sense. And none of that invalidates the bad experiences some people make with either phones (or those by other OEMs).

You can have and do have it both ways, always.
 
So, because there are irrational iPhone (or Apple) bashers it's only fair to have irrational post_your_hated_brand_of_choice bashers? That makes no sense to me.

Everyone knows that the iPhone is a great phone. To dismiss the iPhone (in general) to be a great phone makes zero sense. To dismiss the current Galaxy line being a great phone makes just as little sense. And none of that invalidates the bad experiences some people make with either phones (or those by other OEMs).

You can have and do have it both ways, always.
That's not what any of that was about it, it was about using a generic "internet" argument to just dismiss things when the discussion is about one company/service/product, but then just overlook or even avoid the same kind of thing when it's another company/service/product.
 
  • Like
Reactions: MRU
I have a simple answer for all of this if you didn't compile the Android running on your phone form source and make useful changes then you're just consuming product from a large company that doesn't need defended. That same applies to iOS and iPhones congratulations you patronized a multibillion dollar multinational corporation "happy birthday you're not special" there's no need to defend them, they're doing just fine. Both type are not doing anything of value other than consuming, there's no statement, there's nothing personal, it's a slate made of metal and glass that like thousands of slates of metal and glass.



Yes that applies to me also
 
Both type are not doing anything of value other than consuming, there's no statement, there's nothing personal, it's a slate made of metal and glass that like thousands of slates of metal and glass.

Smartphones are a lot more than just being a consumption device.
 
  • Like
Reactions: jamezr
Sure but you're/we're just being a consumer of the device

Ah, yeah, that's true and I understand what you mean. Yes, we project all kinds of values and ideologies onto smartphones and brands, that's true of course and certainly one of the reasons why discussions like these get heated in the first place.

If we truly sat down and thought about how much these devices do and are capable of, regardless of brand, it would render discussions like these absolutely futile.
 
  • Like
Reactions: v0lume4
My wife's S6 edge Plus on AT&T (still on Lollipop) runs incredibly well. It's almost a year old and it's just as fast and as fluid as my iPhone 6s Plus. Which, BTW, is not error free. It still lags in some places. You see stutter and jerkiness when unlocking sometimes. Occasionally the keyboard will freeze and you have to close that app and start it up again. And yesterday, my home screen completely froze where if I clicked on an icon it would grey out and do nothing until I did a soft reset.

Nothing is perfect. Most, if not all, of the Android flagships out right now are just as fast and smooth as iOS. It all boils down to OS preference.

So true! I've spoken a number of times in the past of those "missed presses" on iOS. Back when I had my iPhone 6 I experienced the same thing. I still do on my iPad. Where you'll go to tap an icon and you'll see it grayed out as if it's acknowledged the touch but won't actually launch the app.

I've also experienced horrible keyboard missed presses and the occasional lag there too.

As I've said before, all phones lag to varying degrees. Some a lot less than others. I've honestly encountered less lag with my s7 edge than I can remember with my iPhone 6. Go figure. Heck, I can't really remember the last time my s7e lagged...
 
So true! I've spoken a number of times in the past of those "missed presses" on iOS. Back when I had my iPhone 6 I experienced the same thing. I still do on my iPad. Where you'll go to tap an icon and you'll see it grayed out as if it's acknowledged the touch but won't actually launch the app.

I've also experienced horrible keyboard missed presses and the occasional lag there too.

As I've said before, all phones lag to varying degrees. Some a lot less than others. I've honestly encountered less lag with my s7 edge than I can remember with my iPhone 6. Go figure. Heck, I can't really remember the last time my s7e lagged...

Yeah, I've noticed pretty much the same amount of lag on my 6s Plus as I had on my Nexus 6P. Both phones are great. If you prefer Android, you aren't going to notice much issue with any of the current crop of flagships. If you prefer Apple, the same applies. Android has matured a lot since the days of Gingerbread. And you get a lot of horror stories from the low tier Android phones that people equate to Android on the whole.
 
All phones and computers get slower over time...the fix? don't update any software or the operating system and your phone will run smoothly. I have a note 3 and nexus 5, never update anything except google maps and google chrome and they both run buttery smooth like day 1. New software isn't tweaked for old hardware. Keep putting new software on your old phone when watch that phone performance slowly wind down to a creep.
 
Are you really trying to use 4 year old devices as a benchmark for Samsung devices slowing down. Wow, really.. talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel. The door marked "zero credibility" is that way..

So only phones less than a year can be the answer for the OPs questions about phones slowing down after a couple of years? And I provided many references to the S6 and S5 as well.

Like I give a **** what you think about my credibility.
 
Are you really trying to use 4 year old devices as a benchmark for Samsung devices slowing down. Wow, really.. talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel. The door marked "zero credibility" is that way..

Don't bother. He hates Samsung. It sort of reminds me of people who complain about their iPhone 4S lagging on the most recent OS as an indicator that Apple is systematically slowing down devices. Logic need not apply.
 
  • Like
Reactions: jamezr
Don't bother. He hates Samsung. It sort of reminds me of people who complain about their iPhone 4S lagging on the most recent OS as an indicator that Apple is systematically slowing down devices. Logic need not apply.

Actually it is exactly like that. Don't need logic to say that shouldn't be happening. Why does the Nexus 5 still hum if that is the case? Why should a newer OS slow down a phone? Shouldn't it speed it up with optimizations?
 
So only phones less than a year can be the answer for the OPs questions about phones slowing down after a couple of years? And I provided many references to the S6 and S5 as well.

Like I give a **** what you think about my credibility.
Nope, i have a s6 edge plus that runs like butter, reason for that, TW had a major overhaul start of last year. So s5's might not be as good, but anything after that should be immense. Oh, and you should care what I think about your credibility, as if I think your opinions are worthless, I'm pretty sure most folk on this thread think the same. Maybe have a think about being less argumentative and stubborn headed , you will get on here so much better. In time you may even start to realise that your irrational hatred for Samsung is so misplaced after all.
 
  • Like
Reactions: khha4113
Actually it is exactly like that. Don't need logic to say that shouldn't be happening. Why does the Nexus 5 still hum if that is the case? Why should a newer OS slow down a phone? Shouldn't it speed it up with optimizations?

The Nexus 5 hums in what universe?

http://forums.androidcentral.com/an...ow-update-l-nexus-5-has-become-very-slow.html
https://www.androidpit.com/nexus-5-fix-common-problems#lag

People complain about their devices getting slower with updates all the time. Then they're told to clear everything and reinstall the OS.
 
Nope, i have a s6 edge plus that runs like butter, reason for that, TW had a major overhaul start of last year. So s5's might not be as good, but anything after that should be immense. Oh, and you should care what I think about your credibility, as if I think your opinions are worthless, I'm pretty sure most folk on this thread think the same. Maybe have a think about being less argumentative and stubborn headed , you will get on here so much better. In time you may even start to realise that your irrational hatred for Samsung is so misplaced after all.

Great... good to see it headed that way. But this is Samsung, remember, they could easily fall backwards and don't have the best track record on the software side. Everyone is calling this a slam dunk. I think it is fair to tell the OP based on history to be cautious.
 
The Nexus 5 hums in what universe?

http://forums.androidcentral.com/an...ow-update-l-nexus-5-has-become-very-slow.html
https://www.androidpit.com/nexus-5-fix-common-problems#lag

People complain about their devices getting slower with updates all the time. Then they're told to clear everything and reinstall the OS.

6.0.1 fixed those issues.

And the theory that updates should slow down fully capable hardware with time is just you playing into the corporate hands. It shouldn't need to be that way. My computer that came with Vista is faster than it has ever been with Windows 10.
 
I had the Nexus 5 and it was slow and horrible when it was released. It's only worse now.....

But it's a Nexus. You can't complain about the Nexus. It is perfect and awesome and only those dirty OEM Skin versions of Android ever have lag. Stock is perfect. All hail Stock Android.
 
  • Like
Reactions: jamezr
But it's a Nexus. You can't complain about the Nexus. It is perfect and awesome and only those dirty OEM Skin versions of Android ever have lag. Stock is perfect. All hail Stock Android.

I complain about my Nexus all the time. Just look at my history. Unlike @jamezr, I can take criticism without flying off the hook.
 
6.0.1 fixed those issues.

And the theory that updates should slow down fully capable hardware with time is just you playing into the corporate hands. It shouldn't need to be that way. My computer that came with Vista is faster than it has ever been with Windows 10.

That's more because Vista was **** than 10 being amazing. My fully capable Surface Pro 3 lags more today than it did prior to Redstone. Worse battery life, too. Of course, sometimes the next version is better than the one before it. My S6 runs better with M than L. Better battery life, too. But that's mostly irrelevant, because we're talking about a newer device compared to an old device. And yes, the Nexus 5 is old for a phone. The S3 is old for a phone. Neither will run well because they're old.

Edit: Comparing to desktop computing is also a bad idea because Intel has been pretty stable in terms of performance for the past ten or so years in comparison to ARM.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Surf Donkey
But it's a Nexus. You can't complain about the Nexus. It is perfect and awesome and only those dirty OEM Skin versions of Android ever have lag. Stock is perfect. All hail Stock Android.

Lol, brilliant. My other half had a Nexus 7, it was rubbish.. started off slow, and got so painfully slower we binned it. If that is stock android, you can keep it..
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.