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bubulol

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Anyone has both 16:10 and iPad 4:3?
Note sure if it need to switch, my tablet, Xperia Z3 Tablet, suits to my need (watching movies) but for everything else, its perfectible
Tablet is wonderfull, form factor, i dont know, i never owned 4:3 tablet, Android seems to me like a bad OS for tablet (not saying Android is bad os, on smartphone, its almost equal to iOS)
I am afraid of losing advantages from my Z3 Tablet (lighter, 16:10, huge battery life, i got 8/9 hours of watching streaming movies, ~ tablet makes itself a transcoding of 1080p video, waterproof...)
 

Moonjumper

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Black bars are preferable to a distorted image or not seeing all the content.

Most video content is 4:3, 16:9 or 21:9, so you will get black bars on any screen for at least 2 of them, but if most of your use is watching movies, then a 16:9 Android tablet may be your best choice. An iPad is best all round, but it is not perfect for everything.
 

sparksd

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Black bars are preferable to a distorted image or not seeing all the content.

Most video content is 4:3, 16:9 or 21:9, so you will get black bars on any screen for at least 2 of them, but if most of your use is watching movies, then a 16:9 Android tablet may be your best choice. An iPad is best all round, but it is not perfect for everything.

My XPS 13 laptop has a 16:9 screen with 3200 x 1800 resolution and I do prefer it for video.
 

Bubble99

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Hello, i am wondering if black bars bother you when you are watching movies content?
Its huge black bar and many lost space, do you prefer watching on iPad (4:3) or another device in 16/10 or 16/9?

Thanks you

Just zoom in or fit to screen.

Go into the settings default fit to screen and the problem will go away.
 

Vivian125

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No, not really. TRY watching a 4:3 movie on a Blackberry Passport with 1:1 Screen it will have MUCH BIGGER BLACK BARS than watching 16:9 movies on iPad 4:3 screen.
 

Vivian125

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Not really, i have a Blackberry Passport witch is 1:1. I used my Blackberry Passport sometimes for watching movies, even the 4:3 Movies can be a bothersome, 16:9 movies is even worst!

With iPad witch is 4:3, the black bars much smaller due to much still wider screen than both 5:4 (old monitors) and 1:1 (like Blackberry Passport)

When you watch a 1 hour movie on iPad you won't even realize the black bars is there as your eyes will easily ignored it.
 

Greenmeenie

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Well, because of the different aspect ratio of the new 11” iPad Pro, it actually has thinner black bars and video fills up more of it’s screen than the 12.9” iPad Pro.
 

sparksd

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No, once you watch enough videos/movies and learn more about aspect ratios (and OAR) you don't even notice black bars. Regardless if the screen is 4:3 or 16:9.

Exactly. There are numerous aspect ratios in use and if displayed properly there will be black bars unless the video and the display device are the same. It is supposed to be that way.
 
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manny.j.varela

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I hate the black bars! I'd rather my TV stretch the screen to fit and disfigure the picture than have paid for a portion of my TV that is sometimes not even used.
 

Perene

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I hate the black bars! I'd rather my TV stretch the screen to fit and disfigure the picture than have paid for a portion of my TV that is sometimes not even used.
There isn't going to be a TV that fits all movies and removes all possible black bars EVER.

If you care about the content you are watching in the slightest you would hate with passion foolscreen versions of movies that were not intended to be seen that way. Or butchered 16:9 (1.78:1) versions from movies that were intended to be seen in another aspect ratio (like 1.33:1 or 2.35:1).

This happened with Seinfeld (TV show), and... surprise, the broadcasted widescreen version suffered from this:


Watch the video and you'll get my point.

What you are saying is EXACTLY the same as prefering the dubbed track instead, or a colorized version if the movie was shot in black and white. No matter how appealing these can be they will NEVER replace the original. All these alternate versions are a travesty (this is perhaps the best term I can use to describe them).

In the past there were many articles about aspect ratios, when DVDs were new, now I can't find them... These are a good start, though:

http://monroeworld.com/dvd/screens.php
http://www.dvdactive.com/editorial/...ained-part-one.html?action=quote&post_id=1058

All movies made before 1953 were not in widescreen, instead they were using the 1.37:1 "academy ratio", so they fit perfectly in the iPAD (4:3) screen. Like the many TV productions shot until the last decades. But even TV shows that were released in DVDs in fullscreen or broadcasted that way have received Blu-ray versions restored in the OAR, like The X-Files.

And even if the iPAD was using 16:9 (1.78:1) there are MANY movies with different ARs like 1.66:1, 2.00:1, 2.20:1, 2.35:1 or 2.76:1 (Ben-Hur is the most famous)... The first widescreen movie (The Robe, 1953) used 2.55:1.

If the movie isn't in the same AR as the TV or tablet then black bars will be there. The "solution" to remove them is losing parts of the picture.

In the 1950's the movies were beginning to be shot in Widescreen because cinemas were losing audience to TVs. Widescreen movies were largely introduced in reaction to the popularity of television, in an attempt to give viewers something they couldn't get at home.

Preserving the image as the director wanted you to see allows you to mantain important aspects of the story. Beautiful shots would be lost if the aspect ratio is incorrect, by cropping or stretching the content.

Sometimes the same film will actually employ different aspect ratios, often for effect. "Oz the Great and Powerful" switched from black-and-white 4x3 to color 2.35:1 after the protagonist moved to Oz, for example, and "Life of Pi" was a 16x9 film that included two changes, once during the flying fish scene and another in homage to the cover of the book. And for some films presented in IMAX, like "The Dark Knight" and "Tron: Legacy," only certain portions were shot in the 1.44:1 IMAX format.

More examples can be found here:
https://tadleckman.wordpress.com/2012/10/29/shapeshifiting-films/
 
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sparksd

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There isn't going to be a TV that fits all movies and removes all possible black bars EVER.

If you care about the content you are watching in the slightest you would hate with passion foolscreen versions of movies that were not intended to be seen that way. Or butchered 16:9 (1.78:1) versions from movies that were intended to be seen in another aspect ratio (like 1.33:1 or 2.35:1).

This happened with Seinfeld (TV show), and... surprise, the broadcasted widescreen version suffered from this:


Watch the video and you'll get my point.

What you are saying is EXACTLY the same as prefering the dubbed track instead, or a colorized version if the movie was shot in black and white. No matter how appealing these can be they will NEVER replace the original. All these alternate versions are a travesty (this is perhaps the best term I can use to describe them).

In the past there were many articles about aspect ratios, when DVDs were new, now I can't find them... These are a good start, though:

http://monroeworld.com/dvd/screens.php
http://www.dvdactive.com/editorial/...ained-part-one.html?action=quote&post_id=1058

All movies made before 1953 were not in widescreen, instead they were using the 1.37:1 "academy ratio", so they fit perfectly in the iPAD (4:3) screen. Like the many TV productions shot until the last decades. But even TV shows that were released in DVDs in fullscreen or broadcasted that way have received Blu-ray versions restored in the OAR, like The X-Files.

And even if the iPAD was using 16:9 (1.78:1) there are MANY movies with different ARs like 1.66:1, 2.00:1, 2.20:1, 2.35:1 or 2.76:1 (Ben-Hur is the most famous)... The first widescreen movie (The Robe, 1953) used 2.55:1.

If the movie isn't in the same AR as the TV or tablet then black bars will be there. The "solution" to remove them is losing parts of the picture.

In the 1950's the movies were beginning to be shot in Widescreen because cinemas were losing audience to TVs. Widescreen movies were largely introduced in reaction to the popularity of television, in an attempt to give viewers something they couldn't get at home.

Preserving the image as the director wanted you to see allows you to mantain important aspects of the story. Beautiful shots would be lost if the aspect ratio is incorrect, by cropping or stretching the content.

Sometimes the same film will actually employ different aspect ratios, often for effect. "Oz the Great and Powerful" switched from black-and-white 4x3 to color 2.35:1 after the protagonist moved to Oz, for example, and "Life of Pi" was a 16x9 film that included two changes, once during the flying fish scene and another in homage to the cover of the book. And for some films presented in IMAX, like "The Dark Knight" and "Tron: Legacy," only certain portions were shot in the 1.44:1 IMAX format.

More examples can be found here:
https://tadleckman.wordpress.com/2012/10/29/shapeshifiting-films/

That poster must use zoom to fill the screen, a dumbed-down variation on pan and scan. Note that the post above is his first - and only - post to the forum.
 

Shanghaichica

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Apr 8, 2013
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I’m used to them now. I also think 4:3 is the best overall aspect ratio for a tablet. 16:9 is better for watching movies but it sucks for anything else as it’s only really usuable in landscape.
 

sparksd

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Jun 7, 2015
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I’m used to them now. I also think 4:3 is the best overall aspect ratio for a tablet. 16:9 is better for watching movies but it sucks for anything else as it’s only really usuable in landscape.

I watch a lot of widescreen movies/shows on my 10.5 iPP and the bars don't bother me, just as they don't on my TV. I remember when I started buying properly formatted DVDs ages ago and my wife was shocked by the bars. But I connected two DVD players to the TV and put in two versions of the same movie (Jeremiah Johnson), one widescreen, the other P&S, and switched between them at the same scenes, showing what was lost with P&S. Made a believer out of her.
 

jazzer15

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Oct 8, 2010
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Well, because of the different aspect ratio of the new 11” iPad Pro, it actually has thinner black bars and video fills up more of it’s screen than the 12.9” iPad Pro.

Now if all of the video apps would only be updated (I'm talking to you Amazon Prime Video ;) ) we could start to enjoy the new aspect ratio.
 

JP913

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Sep 18, 2014
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I don't know what the hubbub is about...depending on what you're watching on your TV, there may be black bars. 4:3. 1.85:1, 2.35:1, there's always bound to be some black bars.
 

jazzer15

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Oct 8, 2010
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Prime Video updated today and looks great.

Thanks for that. Looking forward to checking it out!

Edit: I don't see an update available yet. Maybe later

Edit 2: I had to delete the app and downloaded it again. There was no indication of any update, but updated it was. Thanks again!
 
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JBGoode

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No, they don't bother me. Like the walls above and below my television screen I'm not looking at them; I'm focusing on the movie/show that I'm watching.
 
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