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That's the problem right there. It's marketed as this "magical" device when really it's just a ebook reader/video player. For "magical" I expect it to do something that a lowly $300 netbook can do.

Umm.. I don't even know what to say to this. SJ is a salesmen and is going to use outrageous words to describe things. You will be very disappointed in life if you believe everything a salesmen tells you as fact.

When Cut/Paste was introduced, if you take everything literally then you believe no other phone had that ability prior to the iPhone. Really? Is everyone so gullible to hang on every word SJ says? Nothing they could have introduced would be "magical" not a full blown Quad core, 12 gigs full OSX tablet would fit that billing. Taking these types of words to their literal meaning and using that for a basis of opinion is baffling.
 
It's marketed as this "magical" device when really it's just a ebook reader/video player. For "magical" I expect it to do something that a lowly $300 netbook can do.

Strange, I could have sworn that the Apple website and demos showed that it could browse the web, access email, display photos, display your calendar, let you look at maps, plus provides access to 140,000+ other applications. I guess I must have read it wrong. And and far as video, I never have seen a netbook that plays videos very well.
 
Umm.. I don't even know what to say to this. SJ is a salesmen and is going to use outrageous words to describe things. You will be very disappointed in life if you believe everything a salesmen tells you as fact.

When Cut/Paste was introduced, if you take everything literally then you believe no other phone had that ability prior to the iPhone. Really? Is everyone so gullible to hang on every word SJ says? Nothing they could have introduced would be "magical" not a full blown Quad core, 12 gigs full OSX tablet would fit that billing. Taking these types of words to their literal meaning and using that for a basis of opinion is baffling.

Cmon don't take my comments so literally. I am not stupid. My opinion is not based on what Jobs says. I also don't drink the Kool-Aid. The iPad is just a big iPod touch. Its not better than a netbook. Its better than a kindle or nook at 2X the price. I am disappointed because it offers no compelling unique feature for me.

It wouldn't take many changes to the iPad to make me happy. Flash, camera, SD card slot and it would be must buy for me. Right now its wait and see.
 
Strange, I could have sworn that the Apple website and demos showed that it could browse the web, access email, display photos, display your calendar, let you look at maps, plus provides access to 140,000+ other applications. I guess I must have read it wrong. And and far as video, I never have seen a netbook that plays videos very well.

Sorry that was meant to say CAN'T DO. My comment is still true though because the iPad can't do Flash.
 
Cmon don't take my comments so literally. I am not stupid. My opinion is not based on what Jobs says. I also don't drink the Kool-Aid. The iPad is just a big iPod touch. Its not better than a netbook. Its better than a kindle or nook at 2X the price. I am disappointed because it offers no compelling unique feature for me.

It wouldn't take many changes to the iPad to make me happy. Flash, camera, SD card slot and it would be must buy for me. Right now its wait and see.

If it offers no compelling unique feature for you, than why would adding flash, camera, and an SD card slot change anything? Netbooks already have those features.
 
Cmon don't take my comments so literally. I am not stupid. My opinion is not based on what Jobs says. I also don't drink the Kool-Aid. The iPad is just a big iPod touch. Its not better than a netbook. Its better than a kindle or nook at 2X the price. I am disappointed because it offers no compelling unique feature for me.

It wouldn't take many changes to the iPad to make me happy. Flash, camera, SD card slot and it would be must buy for me. Right now its wait and see.

Kindle Dx is about the same size and price. I think Kindle Dx became a tougher sell.


If it offers no compelling unique feature for you, than why would adding flash, camera, and an SD card slot change anything? Netbooks already have those features.

+1 :D
 
The only Apple product I have is the iTouch 1g. It's perfect for web couching and motorcycle road trips. I already have a powerful desktop and laptop. Laptops are a hassle for web couching and too bulky for the motorcycle. The iPad is a much better solution for both and the ocassional camp out on the road for movies in the tent compaired to the iTouch. Plus it has built in speakers. I can see it better and use it longer on the motel bed for checking the web and weather forcasts. I have a gps with me all the time so I really only need the wifi. With the SD card reader I can now email higher quality photos home from my "real" camera while I'm on the road. Can't wait.;)
 
Do the Naysayers actually think iPad will Fail?
Does a bear s**t in the woods?

Six months from now I'll wager the open-minded will be able to say "I told you so". And I'll also wager several naysayers get their iPads on release day.
 
People also said the iPhone 2G, with lesser tech specs than other higher-end devices, would fail.
 
Do the Naysayers actually think iPad will Fail?
Does a bear s**t in the woods?

Six months from now I'll wager the open-minded will be able to say "I told you so". And I'll also wager several naysayers get their iPads on release day.

This is what is funny. I know most of the haters will have an iPad before I do.
 
Excited, but angry and disappointed

I criticise Apple all the time, but I actually believe that the iPad will be a great success. It's weird to think that the most anticipated product launch of the last several years revealed such a disappointing product in terms of specs, but for millions, this might just be the computer device that they have been missing.

I might sell my iPhone and buy one after the update. First generations suck at Apple.
 
That's the problem right there. It's marketed as this "magical" device when really it's just a ebook reader/video player. For "magical" I expect it to do something that a lowly $300 netbook can't do.

Cmon don't take my comments so literally. I am not stupid. My opinion is not based on what Jobs says. I also don't drink the Kool-Aid. The iPad is just a big iPod touch. Its not better than a netbook. Its better than a kindle or nook at 2X the price. I am disappointed because it offers no compelling unique feature for me.

It wouldn't take many changes to the iPad to make me happy. Flash, camera, SD card slot and it would be must buy for me. Right now its wait and see.

1) Wasn't implying you are stupid. Was questioning the general concept that people toss out "magical" like that is obtainable by any device. It's unrealistic and means nothing other than SJ loves using words to get people's attention. Clearly that worked. Right along naming it iPad, that will have people talking about it for years. Viral marketing at it's best.

2) Your original post above stating it's a ebook read/video player maybe true for you, but for many others it has 140k apps that do exactly what they need and want. iWork, VNC clients and web and email makes it a replacement for my work laptop easy if I wanted it to. I rarely actually go into my office and sit at a computer. I use my home iMac or the laptop they issued me to login via Citrix and do all my work. I'm guessing millions of people will find more uses than the two you stated.

3) The iPad is a big iPod touch. New product based on a wildly successful platform with an installed base of software, developers that already know how to develop great apps and now have even more flexibility to take their software to the next level. Sounds good to me.

4) Your words: "It's not better than a netbook" Opinions don't count as facts. I have yet to find anyone raving over netbooks. The common blogs all read the same slow, underpowered, horrible at video but ok to get by on if you don't' want to carry a larger laptop.

No one has to "drink the Kool-Aid" to realize iPad's potential, they just have an open mind to the endless possibilities of what the developers will bring to the marketplace.

Roll back the clock to 2007 and release this prior to the iPhone without an app store and only iTunes and iBook as it's content, I'd say good chance it flops. 2010, with the app store, this becomes a very successful device.
 
That's the problem right there. It's marketed as this "magical" device when really it's just a ebook reader/video player. For "magical" I expect it to do something that a lowly $300 netbook can't do.

Uhh, you mean like...offer a positive, polished experience for the user on a consistent basis instead of being a cheap piece of ****?

...The iPad is just a big iPod touch...

And herein lies the problem with your logic. You apply the word "just" when describing it as a big iPod touch. You obviously fail to see:

1) the vast capabilities already possessed by an iPod touch
2) the exponential improvement to those capabilities offered by a much larger screen (not to mention a 3G radio)

Six months from now I'll wager the open-minded will be able to say "I told you so". And I'll also wager several naysayers get their iPads on release day.

No doubt. I've said it before and I'll say it again. There's going to be an awful lot of crow being served up to the naysayers.

The iPad will succeed - as in sell in the millions per year. No doubt about it.
 
Apple iPad cannot compete against this if they are priced the same....

The Adam:

Adam Tablet will be one of the first devices due out with a Pixel Qi display and NVIDIA Tegra 2 chipset. The specs, which were posted on the outfit's website show it has a 10.1 inch, 1024 x 600 pixel matte (non-glossy) touchscreen which can function as a full color display or as a high contrast (almost black and white), low power display that’s easily readable in direct sunlight.

It is based around a Tegra 2 chipset which combines a low power dual-core ARM A9 CPU with enough graphics power to play 1080p HD video. The tablet has a 3 cell battery, which should run for up to 16 hours in full color mode. Technoholik claims you’ll get up to 160 hours with the backlight off.

The Adam tablet supports 802.11b/g WiFi, Bluetooth, 2.1 and 3G wireless. And it has a 3.2MP camera that you can rotate so it faces the front or back of the tablet, allowing you to snap pictures or use the tablet as a webcam. There are 3 USB ports, an HDMI output, A-GPS, and an accelerometer. It will weigh about 1.4 pounds and measure just about half an inch thick.
 
No one has to "drink the Kool-Aid" to realize iPad's potential, they just have an open mind to the endless possibilities of what the developers will bring to the marketplace.

I agree. As announced, the iPad doesn't interest me that much, I'm waiting to see where the developers take it before I make my mind up whether or not to jump on board.
 
The problem Apple will have with the iPad is when a competitor comes out with a very similar product that will do all the things the iPad can't. The iPad itself isn't a marvel of development. Apple created the iPad to be controlled by Apple, you can't put or do anything on the iPad that Apple doesn't want you to.

Any company (HP, Sony, Dell, Google, HTC, etc) can design and develop a similar size/shape device and install a full OS with full featured software. This would draw more attention.
 
Apple iPad cannot compete against this if they are priced the same....

The Adam:

Adam Tablet will be one of the first devices due out with a Pixel Qi display and NVIDIA Tegra 2 chipset. The specs, which were posted on the outfit's website show it has a 10.1 inch, 1024 x 600 pixel matte (non-glossy) touchscreen which can function as a full color display or as a high contrast (almost black and white), low power display that’s easily readable in direct sunlight.

It is based around a Tegra 2 chipset which combines a low power dual-core ARM A9 CPU with enough graphics power to play 1080p HD video. The tablet has a 3 cell battery, which should run for up to 16 hours in full color mode. Technoholik claims you’ll get up to 160 hours with the backlight off.

The Adam tablet supports 802.11b/g WiFi, Bluetooth, 2.1 and 3G wireless. And it has a 3.2MP camera that you can rotate so it faces the front or back of the tablet, allowing you to snap pictures or use the tablet as a webcam. There are 3 USB ports, an HDMI output, A-GPS, and an accelerometer. It will weigh about 1.4 pounds and measure just about half an inch thick.

The problem Apple will have with the iPad is when a competitor comes out with a very similar product that will do all the things the iPad can't. The iPad itself isn't a marvel of development. Apple created the iPad to be controlled by Apple, you can't put or do anything on the iPad that Apple doesn't want you to.

Any company (HP, Sony, Dell, Google, HTC, etc) can design and develop a similar size/shape device and install a full OS with full featured software. This would draw more attention.


Since you guys both said essentially the same thing, one in a specific way (citing the Adam), and one in a general way, I thought it'd be useful to respond to both together.

Quick aside: as to drawing attention, I think it's been proven quite clearly that Apple is the master of that game, and no amount of specs one-upmanship is going to change that. Even the Windows event today isn't getting the coverage that the iPad got.

To the point: the market is littered (and I mean littered) with devices which, when taken from a spec-sheet comparison POV alone, would seem to imply that the iPhone should be a failure in the market place. Even the 3GS 32GB model is an also-ran when looking at just about any single spec.

To wit - phones with higher res/larger screens, more RAM, faster CPUs, zomg FLASH!, tethering, multi-tasking (talking to you Pre!), 8MP cameras with LED flash, and on and on.

Yet experience has shown us that even when taken together as a group these phones have done extremely little to dislodge the iPhone in the marketplace.

Why?

The iPhone provides a consistently superior and polished user experience for the average user. Not sure why we'd expect anything else from the iPad as it relates to 'competing' products in the marketplace, including the Adam.

Further, though the iPhone had the benefit of a long head start compared to Android, Pre, etc. don't forget that the iPad directly benefits from this head start, even if the Adam and others hit the market at the same time and at similar price points as the iPad.

Why?

-140,000 apps
-an ecosystem devs are familiar with
-tens of millions of customers who already know how to use the iPad

The technoluster in me sees neat things in the Adam, and will no doubt see neat things in other products. But the everyday user in me - the user with direct long term experience with the iPhone, and passing experience with the Droid, Nexus One, and Pre, knows that iPad is where I'll be spending my time and money.
 
Since you guys both said essentially the same thing, one in a specific way (citing the Adam), and one in a general way, I thought it'd be useful to respond to both together.

Quick aside: as to drawing attention, I think it's been proven quite clearly that Apple is the master of that game, and no amount of specs one-upmanship is going to change that. Even the Windows event today isn't getting the coverage that the iPad got.

To the point: the market is littered (and I mean littered) with devices which, when taken from a spec-sheet comparison POV alone, would seem to imply that the iPhone should be a failure in the market place. Even the 3GS 32GB model is an also-ran when looking at just about any single spec.

To wit - phones with higher res/larger screens, more RAM, faster CPUs, zomg FLASH!, tethering, multi-tasking (talking to you Pre!), 8MP cameras with LED flash, and on and on.

Yet experience has shown us that even when taken together as a group these phones have done extremely little to dislodge the iPhone in the marketplace.

Why?

The iPhone provides a consistently superior and polished user experience for the average user. Not sure why we'd expect anything else from the iPad as it relates to 'competing' products in the marketplace, including the Adam.

Further, though the iPhone had the benefit of a long head start compared to Android, Pre, etc. don't forget that the iPad directly benefits from this head start, even if the Adam and others hit the market at the same time and at similar price points as the iPad.

Why?

-140,000 apps
-an ecosystem devs are familiar with
-tens of millions of customers who already know how to use the iPad

The technoluster in me sees neat things in the Adam, and will no doubt see neat things in other products. But the everyday user in me - the user with direct long term experience with the iPhone, and passing experience with the Droid, Nexus One, and Pre, knows that iPad is where I'll be spending my time and money.

You can't have an unbiased discussion with someone who is explicitly advertising and supporting an iPad site in their signature.

I'm a fan of good products. I have Apple products and non-Apple products because I like good products. I don't buy the company. The iPad is a nice device, but it has flaws and short coming. Apple has chosen to have these flaws and short comings in their iPad.

Anyone who doesn't admit to these flaws and short comings are too biased, because every product has flaws and short comings.
 
You can't have an unbiased discussion with someone who is explicitly advertising and supporting an iPad site in their signature.

I'm a fan of good products. I have Apple products and non-Apple products because I like good products. I don't buy the company. The iPad is a nice device, but it has flaws and short coming. Apple has chosen to have these flaws and short comings in their iPad.

Anyone who doesn't admit to these flaws and short comings are too biased, because every product has flaws and short comings.


My blog, desire to have and use an iPad, understand the choices Apple is making, and ability to form a cogent view of where this is all headed has zero impact on my ability to debate reasonably.

The reality is that your entire approach to considering the device is flawed simply because you can't seem to get past the notion that just because the device doesn't meet your needs /= failure.

No one on this forum is average simply by virtue of posting here (sorry macrumors, the community here may be large, but it does not remotely represent the general computing public in any way shape or form). We are not average users. Full stop.

As has been said a million times, if the iPad doesn't meet some explicit need/desire you have, the answer is simple - don't buy one.

Tell you what, let's regroup 6 and then 12 months after the iPad is in stores so we can see how this pans out, shall we?
 
Since you guys both said essentially the same thing, one in a specific way (citing the Adam), and one in a general way, I thought it'd be useful to respond to both together.

Quick aside: as to drawing attention, I think it's been proven quite clearly that Apple is the master of that game, and no amount of specs one-upmanship is going to change that. Even the Windows event today isn't getting the coverage that the iPad got.

To the point: the market is littered (and I mean littered) with devices which, when taken from a spec-sheet comparison POV alone, would seem to imply that the iPhone should be a failure in the market place. Even the 3GS 32GB model is an also-ran when looking at just about any single spec.

To wit - phones with higher res/larger screens, more RAM, faster CPUs, zomg FLASH!, tethering, multi-tasking (talking to you Pre!), 8MP cameras with LED flash, and on and on.

Yet experience has shown us that even when taken together as a group these phones have done extremely little to dislodge the iPhone in the marketplace.

Why?

The iPhone provides a consistently superior and polished user experience for the average user. Not sure why we'd expect anything else from the iPad as it relates to 'competing' products in the marketplace, including the Adam.

Further, though the iPhone had the benefit of a long head start compared to Android, Pre, etc. don't forget that the iPad directly benefits from this head start, even if the Adam and others hit the market at the same time and at similar price points as the iPad.

Why?

-140,000 apps
-an ecosystem devs are familiar with
-tens of millions of customers who already know how to use the iPad

The technoluster in me sees neat things in the Adam, and will no doubt see neat things in other products. But the everyday user in me - the user with direct long term experience with the iPhone, and passing experience with the Droid, Nexus One, and Pre, knows that iPad is where I'll be spending my time and money.

I agree with your counter points.

I have an iPhone 3gs (love it) and I will buy an MBP when they are updated soon but it just seems like Apple is starting to slip by not raising the bar on the HW side of things of late. I have a feeling the iPad will be a failure. Not to bash Apple just a feeling I have.
 
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