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onthecouchagain

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Mar 29, 2011
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The problem with insisting that we must consider people's preferences in an objective observation of what is a better os is that it just destroys the conversation.

So all these examples of how to recommend people which device etc have nothing to do with an objective conversation. Of course you have to consider preferences and styles when recommending a phone. That's a very subjective conversation.

That is not the conversation I'm interested in having because when it comes to measuring which is better, preference is a conversation stopper.

It's unfortunate and a folly people can't understand this very simple concept. And it's at the expense of iOS itself.
 

knucklehead

macrumors 6502a
Oct 22, 2003
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You've made it actually far easier to answer. The more simple a device is the easier it is to objectively say which is best.

Showing a picture of a ton of toasters doesn't change it. Nice distraction though.

Really, do you people understand what it means to be objective? At all?

"of or pertaining to something that can be known, or to something that is an object or a part of an object; existing independent of thought or an observer as part of reality."

Toasters are simple right? So which one is "THE BEST"?
 

tbayrgs

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Jul 5, 2009
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You've made it actually far easier to answer. The more simple a device is the easier it is to objectively say which is best.

Showing a picture of a ton of toasters doesn't change it. Nice distraction though.

Really, do you people understand what it means to be objective? At all?

Sure we do, we just simply don't care who your objective champion is. :rolleyes:
 

daneoni

macrumors G4
Mar 24, 2006
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The problem with insisting that we must consider people's preferences in an objective observation of what is a better os is that it just destroys the conversation.

So all these examples of how to recommend people which device etc have nothing to do with an objective conversation. Of course you have to consider preferences and styles when recommending a phone. That's a very subjective conversation.

That is not the conversation I'm interested in having because when it comes to measuring which is better, preference is a conversation stopper.

It's unfortunate and a folly people can't understand this very simple concept. And it's at the expense of iOS itself.

Zzzz...wow you're so predictably one dimensional.

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MsvSpaz

macrumors newbie
Feb 15, 2011
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As an Aussie, I'd have thought you'd just say "The Breville" :D

As a happy Breville owner, I don't think it's running Android ... at least I haven't noticed any serious lag issues .... :p
I am not happy with my Breville. It seems that when toasting multiple slices it toasts one side more than the other. I put it down to poor memory management when multitasking.
 

onthecouchagain

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Mar 29, 2011
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Say what you want about Samsung and TouchWiz offering too many features that are too gimmicky, but there are some real gems in there.

Quick Glance can use the proximity sensor to recognize you reaching for your phone and will light up with some partial information.

Auto Unlock Zone will automatically disable your lock screen if you're connected to a trusted WiFi network. Some of my most favorite widgets on Android were the Lock Screen toggles that allowed you to toggle the lock screen off when your'e at home or at the office and don't need that security. You're not constantly putting in your pin just to access your phone. Then when you go out, you toggle it back on for the security outside. Now, it's automatic if you use WiFi.


It's features like these (and some others, like multi-window and smart stay) that put the smart in smartphone. And Samsung should be commended, not chastised for putting "too many" things in there. Every time I read about the S4 I discover something new. That's exciting.
 
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bmac4

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Say what you want about Samsung and TouchWiz offering too many features that are too gimmicky, but there are some real gems in there.

Quick Glance can use the proximity sensor to recognize you reaching for your phone and will light up with some partial information.

Auto Unlock Zone will automatically disable your lock screen if you're connected to a trusted WiFi network. Some of my most favorite widgets on Android were the Lock Screen toggles that allowed you to toggle the lock screen off when your'e at home or at the office and don't need that security. You're not constantly putting in your pin just to access your phone. Then when you go out, you toggle it back on for the security outside. Now, it's automatic if you use WiFi.


It's features like these (and some others, like multi-window and smart stay) that put the smart in smartphone. And Samsung should be commended, not chastised for putting "too many" things in there. Every time I read about the S4 I discover something new. That's exciting.

I would agree with this. I can not tell you how many times I have used some of these features on my note 2. Samsung has some really good ideas, and some of them are not so great but hey they are trying.
 

Tinmania

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Aug 8, 2011
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Quick Glance can use the proximity sensor to recognize you reaching for your phone and will light up with some partial information.
I use that just about every day when my hands are wet, dirty, or otherwise do not want to touch the phone.

Don't believe those who claim it doesn't work either. If you understand what triggers it, and it sounds like you do, it will work every time.

I also use it to turn on my Note 2 without touching any buttons. Let's I am in the kitchen and just washed my hands. Maybe not fully dry so I don't want to use the home button to turn it on, and don't want to reach for the sleep button. With Quick Glance--with status bar on in its settings--I light up the screen by waving my hand over the PS and then slide the notification center down. Don't use this all the time but I do use it.

Auto Unlock Zone will automatically disable your lock screen if you're connected to a trusted WiFi network. Some of my most favorite widgets on Android were the Lock Screen toggles that allowed you to toggle the lock screen off when your'e at home or at the office and don't need that security. You're not constantly putting in your pin just to access your phone. Then when you go out, you toggle it back on for the security outside. Now, it's automatic if you use WiFi.
It's nice that they have that on a stock device. I just got Tasker today (on sale for $1.99) so will be setting a bunch of stuff up like that after I am familiar with it. But it is comprehensive and not easy to understand at first. Auto Unlock Zone sounds much easier, albeit only for wifi.


It's features like these (and some others, like multi-window and smart stay) that put the smart in smartphone. And Samsung should be commended, not chastised for putting "too many" things in there. Every time I read about the S4 I discover something new. That's exciting.
Smart Stay is another thing that I likely use every day. You know how I know, besides seeing the eye in the status bar every now and then? Because when I am using my Note 2 in the dark I definitely notice the screen turning off.

Now I could say well that feature should not be there unless it worked all the time. But I am happy it works where it is designed to work. Half-full if you will...




Michael
 

sentinelsx

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Feb 28, 2011
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There's the kicker....for what I do, iOS is completely fine. I'm always up for improvements - lord knows every piece of tech needs them. But many of the things you want to "improve" are preferences, and nothing more.

I used to think the same way at one time.

But I hardly think ios was fine without a notification center, a multitasking/recent apps tray, better sharing options etc, things I had a year earlier on my jailbroken iPhones before apple implemented those on official ios versions.

Those are not just "preferences".

By that logic ios 1.0 was fine too, everything else that came was all preferences that people wanted :)

Thinking ios is fine as it is, is also a preference :)
 

rMBP15

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Jan 28, 2013
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Not really, SGS4 is still using cheap plasticky materials

When the new 5S is released, then I will feel my iPhone 5 outdated...

iphone_5s_colors.jpg
 

lenkeyth

macrumors newbie
Mar 29, 2013
12
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Tech Anxiety

Too many people are being anxious about their tech. As long as you are not many years behind, and you aren't getting totally scammed, i think it is possible to enjoy tech more if you step out of the race for the ultra cutting edge first adopter mentality.
 

Kashchei

macrumors 65816
Apr 26, 2002
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Meat Space
In terms of screen size and features, yes. In terms of infrastructure, I'd rather stay within Apple's walled garden, which is the only reason I haven't yet switched. Apple, release a large-screen iPhone!!!!!
 

hovscorpion12

macrumors 68040
Sep 12, 2011
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The only thing outdated on the iPhone 5 is IOS. apple's dual core 1.3Ghz processor W/ 1GB of RAM can compete' the camera MP is still in use. IOS 7 must be completely new or at least add features.
 

onthecouchagain

macrumors 604
Mar 29, 2011
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I use that just about every day when my hands are wet, dirty, or otherwise do not want to touch the phone.

Don't believe those who claim it doesn't work either. If you understand what triggers it, and it sounds like you do, it will work every time.

I also use it to turn on my Note 2 without touching any buttons. Let's I am in the kitchen and just washed my hands. Maybe not fully dry so I don't want to use the home button to turn it on, and don't want to reach for the sleep button. With Quick Glance--with status bar on in its settings--I light up the screen by waving my hand over the PS and then slide the notification center down. Don't use this all the time but I do use it.


It's nice that they have that on a stock device. I just got Tasker today (on sale for $1.99) so will be setting a bunch of stuff up like that after I am familiar with it. But it is comprehensive and not easy to understand at first. Auto Unlock Zone sounds much easier, albeit only for wifi.



Smart Stay is another thing that I likely use every day. You know how I know, besides seeing the eye in the status bar every now and then? Because when I am using my Note 2 in the dark I definitely notice the screen turning off.

Now I could say well that feature should not be there unless it worked all the time. But I am happy it works where it is designed to work. Half-full if you will...




Michael


Right. This is what I mean when I say it feels like Samsung is putting the "smart" in smartphone.

They're essentially allowing us to do more and more things with our devices than ever before. Connecting to it in new ways that don't always have to involve actual contact, be it with screen or buttons. That's pushing the envelope.

This is something that all tech-lovers should commend, not condemn. It's a shame certain blind loyalists can't appreciate this.
 

tbayrgs

macrumors 604
Jul 5, 2009
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Right. This is what I mean when I say it feels like Samsung is putting the "smart" in smartphone.

They're essentially allowing us to do more and more things with our devices than ever before. Connecting to it in new ways that don't always have to involve actual contact, be it with screen or buttons. That's pushing the envelope.

This is something that all tech-lovers should commend, not condemn. It's a shame certain blind loyalists can't appreciate this.

I agree and won't belittle a company for at least trying. My concern is how adding all of these S-features affects the fluidity/smoothness of the OS (no reason with that much power under the hood should the S4 being lagging) as well as potentially compromising battery life. It there real value being added and are the tradeoffs worth it?
 

roxxette

macrumors 68000
Aug 9, 2011
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I agree and won't belittle a company for at least trying. My concern is how adding all of these S-features affects the fluidity/smoothness of the OS (no reason with that much power under the hood should the S4 being lagging) as well as potentially compromising battery life. It there real value being added and are the tradeoffs worth it?

Well i guess you can always turn off those options you wont use the easy or hard way
 

SprSynJn

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Sep 15, 2011
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Right. This is what I mean when I say it feels like Samsung is putting the "smart" in smartphone.

They're essentially allowing us to do more and more things with our devices than ever before. Connecting to it in new ways that don't always have to involve actual contact, be it with screen or buttons. That's pushing the envelope.

This is something that all tech-lovers should commend, not condemn. It's a shame certain blind loyalists can't appreciate this.

And I suppose you think Siri is just another gimmick?
 
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