Do you feel like your iPhone 5 is out dated now that the Galaxy S4 is announced

[onthecouchagain]

There's the kicker....for what I do, iOS is completely fine. I'm always up for improvements - lord knows every piece of tech needs them. But many of the things you want to "improve" are preferences, and nothing more.

I like elements of both OS, in fact don't have a clear preference at this point but based on some of the discussion in this thread, I have to be insane to not prefer Android.

Again, I am not talking about preference. I'm not saying anyone is wrong to prefer iOS.

Really, try to comprehend I am not talking about subjectivity or whether one should prefer the other. I'm talking objectively about what OS can do more and how a particular OS can do more things more easily.

This has nothing to do with what you or others prefer. That's the whole point is to have nothing to do with what people prefer.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

And again, I'll respond with so what? If preference trumps objective superiority, why does that matter if one is objectively better? Is it that important to validate one's choice in OS but having another acknowledge it's the best?

What I don't understand is why do so many here approach this debate like it's an contest that must have a winner? I like elements of both OS, in fact don't have a clear preference at this point but based on some of the discussion in this thread, I have to be insane to not prefer Android.

And I'll also respond with, so what? Why can one state an OS and/or device is capable of doing more than another?

I'm not validating or trying to win a mobile OS competition. That's nonsense. I'm simply stating that Android is capable of more options and features which makes it the better mobile OS. Now whether it should be a favorite or preferred OS is NOT what I'm speaking on.

 

[onthecouchagain]

And I'll also respond with, so what? Why can one state an OS and/or device is capable of doing more than another?

I'm not validating or trying to win a mobile OS competition. That's nonsense. I'm simply stating that Android is capable of more options and features which makes it the better mobile OS. Now whether it should be a favorite or preferred OS is NOT what I'm speaking on.

Thank you for understanding. This is an objective response.

Again, if the opposite were true, and iOS had more options and more features, I would say it were the superior OS.

 

[jrswizzle]

Again, I am not talking about preference. I'm not saying anyone is wrong to prefer iOS.

Really, try to comprehend I am not talking about subjectivity or whether one should prefer the other. I'm talking objectively about what OS can do more and how a particular OS can do more things more easily.

This has nothing to do with what you or others prefer. That's the whole point is to have nothing to do with what people prefer.

So. Am. I. The point I am trying to make is that we can discuss deficiencies and function without getting into this whole pissing contest of who's better. You were the one who posted the quote I referenced. I simply responded.

 

[bmac4]

Again, I am not talking about preference. I'm not saying anyone is wrong to prefer iOS.

Really, try to comprehend I am not talking about subjectivity or whether one should prefer the other. I'm talking objectively about what OS can do more and how a particular OS can do more things more easily.

This has nothing to do with what you or others prefer. That's the whole point is to have nothing to do with what people prefer.

Alright you said android is faster at getting things done. Like what? The review you posted said the notification center was not good do you believe that?

On the other side I will say my note 2 is still a version behind the latest update of android. Android will introduce KLP this summer my note 2 want get it until much later. Is this not a big shortcoming in android. When iOS is updated it gets sent to all the current iphones at about the same time.

 

[onthecouchagain]

So. Am. I. The point I am trying to make is that we can discuss deficiencies and function without getting into this whole pissing contest of who's better. You were the one who posted the quote I referenced. I simply responded.

If you're incapable of admitting one OS is better than the other, that's your prerogative.

I'm not sure why it's so sensitive to you.

 

[jrswizzle]

If you're incapable of admitting one OS is better than the other, that's your prerogative.

I'm not sure why it's so sensitive to you.

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I am trying to stay away from "admitting" (read deciding) one is better than the other because, like it or not, there is a subjective component that goes into that answer. And frankly, there are things about both that I like and don't like - that work well for me and don't work well - that could be improved.

You say you want to decide which is better in order to cause iOS to progress. Why is that? I've already shown you (despite your best efforts to ignore) we can discuss what's wrong with iOS objectively without bringing Android into the debate at all.

So I'll ask one more time.....why do you feel the NEED to declare one better than the other? I find it odd you can't answer this simple question and keep deflecting....

 

[tbayrgs]

Thank you for understanding. This is an objective response.

Again, if the opposite were true, and iOS had more options and more features, I would say it were the superior OS.

But what is the point of stating one OS is objectively better than the other? You seem hell bent on making this point and what I've yet to see you state anywhere is why proving this so important.

 

[onthecouchagain]

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I am trying to stay away from "admitting" (read deciding) one is better than the other because, like it or not, there is a subjective component that goes into that answer. And frankly, there are things about both that I like and don't like - that work well for me and don't work well - that could be improved.

You say you want to decide which is better in order to cause iOS to progress. Why is that? I've already shown you (despite your best efforts to ignore) we can discuss what's wrong with iOS objectively without bringing Android into the debate at all.

So I'll ask one more time.....why do you feel the NEED to declare one better than the other?

You're kidding right? Take a look around. Many many threads deal with deciding between iOS and Android. It's entirely relevant. Heck, look at the very thread you're in. It's comparing the two platforms.

You want to talk about deficiencies and functions of iOS but want to only talk about it without Android in the picture. You ask me why I'm trying to include Android in the conversation, and I ask you, why not? They're the two top competing OS platforms.

It's telling that you don't want to involve Android. I have no problem admitting either OS is better than the other, objectively speaking. One of them is. One of them has more deficiencies and less functions. Don't know why this is such a sensitive topic.

Suit yourself.

 

[jrswizzle]

But what is the point of stating one OS is objectively better than the other? You seem hell bent on making this point and what I've yet to see you state anywhere is why proving this so important.

I'm still not convinced one can objectively state one is better than the other....there are way too many variables involved and, whether Couch likes it or not, there is a large subjective component involved....

I want to know why he's so bent on this as well....

 

[onthecouchagain]

But what is the point of stating one OS is objectively better than the other? You seem hell bent on making this point and what I've yet to see you state anywhere is why proving this so important.

You missed my post. I answered it above. EDIT: It's on page 11 now.

 

[jrswizzle]

You're kidding right? Take a look around. Many many threads deal with deciding between iOS and Android. It's entirely relevant. Heck, look at the very thread you're in. It's comparing the two platforms.

You want to talk about deficiencies and functions of iOS but want to only talk about it without Android in the picture. You ask me why I'm trying to include Android in the conversation, and I ask you, why not? They're the two top competing OS platforms.

It's telling that you don't want to involve Android. I have no problem admitting either OS is better than the other, objectively speaking. One of them is. One of them has more deficiencies and less functions. Don't know why this is such a sensitive topic.

Suit yourself.

This is an ironic statement.....

I am all for talking about deficiencies in both, but listing what you find is broken in iOS and making the statement "Because of what I say, iOS is inferior for all" is nonsense.

Personally, given both platforms on day 1 with no prior time with either, I'm not sure which I'd pick. As I've said - there are pros and cons to each. My preference of iOS currently stems mainly from my familiarity with it.

You can compare the two until the cows come home, you can talk about deficiencies in iOS (though I think talking about deficiencies in Android in addition would show a more balanced thought process), but the second you make the statement "X is better than Y. End of story," you lose it.

I thought your goal was to promote progress in iOS. To move Apple to change the "sick, dark joke" that is iOS. This goal can be accomplished by speaking of iOS's deficiencies independently of Android. Comparing the two will always include a subjective component - that's just the way it is.

I have no problem admitting this - apparently you do.

 

[bmac4]

If you're incapable of admitting one OS is better than the other, that's your prerogative.

I'm not sure why it's so sensitive to you.

Ok so I will ask you one last time, and you can keep ignoring me. How can you say one is better than the other? Look at it this way. I like android and it works great for me and meets all the needs and wants I have in an OS. My sister uses an iphone and it meets all her needs and wants. I would never recommend android for my sister. She would never get it or like it. She does not need all the features that android offers and she does not want the customization that android offers. So in those terms there is not one that is better. Those features that android offers don't appeal or are not used by certain people so how can they be consider an advantage?

 

[jrswizzle]

Ok so I will ask you one last time, and you can keep ignoring me. How can you say one is better than the other? Look at it this way. I like android and it works great for me and meets all the needs and wants I have in an OS. My sister uses an iphone and it meets all her needs and wants. I would never recommend android for my sister. She would never get it or like it. She does not need all the features that android offers and she does not want the customization that android offers. So in those terms there is not one that is better. Those features that android offers don't appeal or are not used by certain people so how can they be consider an advantage?

Don't bother Bmac4....it's Couch's way or the highway....he's the only one of us who TRULY cares about iOS and its progress...

Plus, he digs the drama.

 

[onthecouchagain]

Ok so I will ask you one last time, and you can keep ignoring me. How can you say one is better than the other? Look at it this way. I like android and it works great for me and meets all the needs and wants I have in an OS. My sister uses an iphone and it meets all her needs and wants. I would never recommend android for my sister. She would never get it or like it. She does not need all the features that android offers and she does not want the customization that android offers. So in those terms there is not one that is better. Those features that android offers don't appeal or are not used by certain people so how can they be consider an advantage?

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Don't bother Bmac4....it's Couch's way or the highway....he's the only one of us who TRULY cares about iOS and its progress...

Plus, he digs the drama.

I'm happy to use Bmac's example.

He prefers Android. His sister prefers iOS. The end.

There's no more conversation to be had. Do you see why this is a problem that gets us no where? If all we're going to go by is preferences, there's nothing anyone else can say.

You're a smart fella and I am surprised you're having trouble comprehending the difference between subjectivity and objectivity and why objectivity is a far better method of talking about iOS' shortcomings.

You're fine talking about iOS' shortcomings but only want to do so in an vacuous chamber that only involves iOS -- like we shouldn't have something to compare or strive for. I think that's telling about what you would say objectively, if only you could talk objectively, but you're convinced it's impossible.

It's like you only want to admit iOS has shortcomings if no one else is doing it better. That's a ridiculous prerequisite.

 

[jrswizzle]

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I'm happy to use Bmac's example.

He prefers Android. His sister prefers iOS. The end.

There's no more conversation to be had. Do you see why this is a problem that gets us no where? If all we're going to go by is preferences, there's nothing anyone else can say.

You're a smart fella and I am surprised you're having trouble comprehending the difference between subjectivity and objectivity and why objectivity is a far better method of talking about iOS' shortcomings.

You're fine talking about iOS' shortcomings but only want to do so in an vacuous chamber that only involves iOS -- like we shouldn't have something to compare or strive for. I think that's telling about what you would say objectively, if only you could talk objectively, but you're convinced it's impossible.

It's like you only want to admit iOS has shortcomings if no one else is doing it better. That's a ridiculous prerequisite.

Couch, you aren't understanding my point. I'm trying to separate the two as well. My assertion is you can definitively state one is better than the other without subjectivity.

Can we not speak objectively about each platforms faults without declaring a winner? Does the fact that iOS has trouble with multiple attachments have anything to do with Android? No....

So again I ask - if you're end goal is the progress and improvement of iOS (or Android) and you want to discuss the issues with each, why do we have to compare them and determine a winner? I understand there are numerous threads doing just that but they ALWAYS include the subjective part....

I'm speaking about simply looking at iOS and acknowledging faults (like not allowing defaults to be set or an outdated keyboard or not allowing multiple attachments easily) and leave it there? How does a comparison (and subsequent determination of a "winner") benefit this?

We can talk about comparisons of specific functions/features perhaps (though there is some subjectivity present there as well) but to say one is overall definitively better can in no way be a 100% objective statement. The problem with this is, you ONLY talk about what iOS does WORSE (in your mind) than Android and never the other way around.....

To me, that is not an objective comparison.

 

[bmac4]

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I'm happy to use Bmac's example.

He prefers Android. His sister prefers iOS. The end.

There's no more conversation to be had. Do you see why this is a problem that gets us no where? If all we're going to go by is preferences, there's nothing anyone else can say.

You're a smart fella and I am surprised you're having trouble comprehending the difference between subjectivity and objectivity and why objectivity is a far better method of talking about iOS' shortcomings.

You're fine talking about iOS' shortcomings but only want to do so in an vacuous chamber that only involves iOS -- like we shouldn't have something to compare or strive for. I think that's telling about what you would say objectively, if only you could talk objectively, but you're convinced it's impossible.

It's like you only want to admit iOS has shortcomings if no one else is doing it better. That's a ridiculous prerequisite.

What? You missed what I was saying.

 

[jrswizzle]

I would also say there is really no way to objectively compare the two platforms as they are NOT created equally. Each was built and developed with a different goal and different philosophy in mind.

 

[tbayrgs]

You missed my post. I answered it above. EDIT: It's on page 11 now.

No, actually you didn't. Why do we need to crown a winner to have a discussion comparing Android and iOS? And save your canned 'honest discussion' response because that's the biggest crock of €&$% I've read. Short of you validating your own personal arguments, it's completely irrelevant.

And with this post I'm stepping away from this debate because its clearly going in circles and I'm getting dizzy...

Back on topic as I don't think I actually responded to the OP. Except for the screen size, I find I prefer the iPhone hardware--love the rock solid feel, prefer the aluminum, find the camera to be the best I've used in a smartphone, love the color/crispness of the screen. I feel iOS is falling further behind Android in overall functionality and flexibility but I also find it more stable/reliable, more aesthetically pleasing, and with a slightly better app ecosystem. Consequently, I find myself stuck right in the middle preference-wise. Ugh...

 

[knucklehead]

No, actually you didn't. Why do we need to crown a winner to have a discussion comparing Android and iOS? And save your canned 'honest discussion' response because that's the biggest crock of €&$% I've read. Short of you validating your own personal arguments, it's completely irrelevant.

And with this post I'm stepping away from this debate because its clearly going in circles and I'm getting dizzy...

Back on topic as I don't think I actually responded to the OP. Except for the screen size, I find I prefer the iPhone hardware--love the rock solid feel, prefer the aluminum, find the camera to be the best I've used in a smartphone, love the color/crispness of the screen. I feel iOS is falling further behind Android in overall functionality and flexibility but I also find it more stable/reliable, more aesthetically pleasing, and with a slightly better app ecosystem. Consequently, I find myself stuck right in the middle preference-wise. Ugh...

Seriously!

There's no way to consider these questions outside of how they suit different objectives and interests that vary from individual to individual.

So objectively now - What's the BEST toaster?

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Is that even a reasonable question?

 

[bmac4]

No, actually you didn't. Why do we need to crown a winner to have a discussion comparing Android and iOS? And save your canned 'honest discussion' response because that's the biggest crock of €&$% I've read. Short of you validating your own personal arguments, it's completely irrelevant.

And with this post I'm stepping away from this debate because its clearly going in circles and I'm getting dizzy...

Back on topic as I don't think I actually responded to the OP. Except for the screen size, I find I prefer the iPhone hardware--love the rock solid feel, prefer the aluminum, find the camera to be the best I've used in a smartphone, love the color/crispness of the screen. I feel iOS is falling further behind Android in overall functionality and flexibility but I also find it more stable/reliable, more aesthetically pleasing, and with a slightly better app ecosystem. Consequently, I find myself stuck right in the middle preference-wise. Ugh...

I would agree with that. I still prefer my note 2 over any of the current and up and coming phones as of now. Best battery life I have had in a smartphone to date, easiest screen to read on, and it runs android. Now having come from using an iphone 5 I would agree much more stable apps on iOS, but android is getting closer. What Google needs up the standards on being able to put apps in the play store.

To answer the question again yes the iphone 5 feels out of date in terms of OS. It works just fine and does what people want, but it just looks out dated plain and simple. Now this has worked thus far, so I can't fault Apple for continuing to have iOS look the same, but still does not take away from the fact that is does look outdated.

 

[ReanimationN]

So objectively now - What's the BEST toaster?

Is that even a reasonable question?

The one running Android, obviously.

 

[zosokm]

No because I buy a device that will work for me and my iphone works just fine,

I seem to be in a minority of macrumors fans who feel that small phones are better. I think that 3.5 was perfect and that even 4 is big. (I upgraded to the 5 from a 4). I receive about 100 phone calls a day and would not buy a 5 inch phone. Hope apple doesnt succumb to pressure and increase the screen size.

To me ios is just fine - it works great. itunes works fine. itunes 11 works fine even on my 4 year old windows laptop with mid level hardware (2gb ram)

Apple should have a preview app for ios though. Its ridiculous to save them on preview on the mac and then not be able to open it on your ios device.

They really need to upgrade the iwork apps on both mac and ios to work better with each other.

 

[onthecouchagain]

Seriously!

There's no way to consider these questions outside of how they suit different objectives and interests that vary from individual to individual.

So objectively now - What's the BEST toaster?

Is that even a reasonable question?

You've made it actually far easier to answer. The more simple a device is the easier it is to objectively say which is best.

Showing a picture of a ton of toasters doesn't change it. Nice distraction though.

Really, do you people understand what it means to be objective? At all?

 

[knucklehead]

The one running Android, obviously.

As an Aussie, I'd have thought you'd just say "The Breville"

As a happy Breville owner, I don't think it's running Android ... at least I haven't noticed any serious lag issues ....