I'm pretty sure you don't get what I'm saying, it was just a little joke that your looking to far into.
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Do you feel like your iPhone 5 is out dated now that the Galaxy S4 is announced
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I'm pretty sure you don't get what I'm saying, it was just a little joke that your looking to far into.
This was perfect. I enjoy a lot of the things android offers stock with their OS, however I prefer the way iOS is designed and performs. I also prefer apple hardware. So I jailbreak to get some of those features that I feel are missing. I think android has made some great improvements in the mobile phone OS area and I do hope eventually apple learns to incorporate those things into its phones. The one thing I still want to try is NFC tags. I just can't bring myself to buy a secondary phone just to get this feature. One of these days I'll break out of my comfort zone and buy a flagship android device, but for now, I'll just stick with what I know works for me.
Nah its all good I hated Samsung too but I have decided to get the gs4!
and I know exactly what youre saying...to be honest though,dont you think its pretty innovative for Samsung to get that size battery into that slim gs4?
I don't "hate" Samsung. Do I think it's innovatie? I guess? I don't see that being groundbreaking.
You're really not understanding the point.
I said this in the other thread...
I'm genuinely not here to argue. And though there's no way to prove it, if iOS was the superior operating system, in other words, if I could do more things and do them more easily, I would say it was the superior system. It just simply isn't. And it's especially insulting when Apple and people tout it as such. Again... the world's most advanced operating system cannot do some of the most simplest things.
Please also know that I am an Apple fan. I've put thousands of dollars into Apple products and generally love them: iMac, Retina MBP 13", Thunderbolt Display, iPad 3rd gen (<-- the love for this one... not as much. No surprise, another iOS device), Apple Extreme; I recently bought an Air 13" for a family member, etc.
Every corner of the OS reeks of limitations and especially so when compared to Android. It doesn't matter if people need or don't need certain features or certain ways to do things. That's the whole point of speaking objectively.
Notice I'm not saying one of them is better for my specific needs. I'm saying: One of them is easier to accomplish the same desirable tasks than the other, and one of them offers more things than the other. One of them is better.
iOS isn't cutting it and people should stop letting Apple get away with it. Or, better yet, Apple can bring it up to snuff. It's not like they don't know how to. It's a matter of them changing their philosophy, even if just by a little bit, and being willing to.
I'm sorry that it's like this. I really am, and as an Apple fan, I really wish it weren't so.
...and again i'm saying thats an opinion formed from your own biased definition of "desirable tasks" and preferences. In other words, there are others out there who will disagree because they have a different definition and preference.
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Okay... we're all using smartphones and they all generally do the same thing. Let's take the most basic "desirable" function: making a phone call.
I can literally make a phone call to a specific person on Android with one touch (direct dials on your home screen). One step, without fail, at the home screen.
On iOS, even if you use Siri, you have to activate Siri (that's one step already), then say the person's name, and if it gets it right, you're on your way. Two steps. If it gets it wrong, you have to pick which "Tom" you mean.
Making a call is a desirable end goal. One of them takes one step. The other takes two. All things equal and all things working, which is better objectively speaking?
What I'm saying is, most things on iOS require more steps, is more complicated, more cumbersome, and sometimes flat-out impossible to do compared to doing the same tasks on Android (any task. Doesn't even really matter if it's desirable or not). Just doing the same things usually is easier on Android.
You're really not understanding the definition of objective.
I'm really sorry about iOS. I don't understand why people are so sensitive about admitting one system is, objectively, better or not than the other. We can. And we really should start. Again, if the roles were reversed, I'd happily say that Android is inferior, objectively. It just isn't the case.
I'll leave it at that.
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And i'm saying cumbersome steps to you are easy to follow patterns to others. Sure making a call is a desirable end goal. How its made is a biased preference that'll determine said desirability.
As a geek you want the shortcut on your desktop (as i said in my previous post). 1 step done. Meanwhile Joe Shmo thinks "i want to call Bob, i know anything to do with telephony can be done by interacting with the phone/contact app or asking Siri to help"
Different philosophies both good or bad depending who you ask. Which one is better comes down to personal preference. Objectively speaking. If you want me to say the shortcut on screen is better then thats a subjective answer. You might want contact shortcuts on your desktop, whilst another person who hates confusing clutter doesn't, and whats everything to do with telephony to stay in the contacts/phone app.
Don't get it twisted, i'm not sensitive about iOS. You can indeed say one is better than the other...as long as you maintain its merely your opinion and don't project said opinion as universally indisputable fact. Because it simply isn't. Different strokes for different folks.
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Agreed. I love my note 2, but comparing stock devices to each other I know that the iPhone I much smoother. After rooting my note 2 I feel that it's faster now, but I still think that for people that just want a simple device that works i think the iPhone is the phone for them.
Also the iPhone doesn't require much troubleshooting. Learning to root my note 2 was an ordeal and was no easy feat. And I know most people don't want to deal with rooting which in my opinion is a must to get rid of all the bloatware.
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Couch for the love of god
, tap phone icon and done, you do know you can put favorite numbers on iOS right ? Thats just a terrible example and you sacrifice screen/home space.The average people dont give a damm about most of the things whe do/try to do with our smartphones
and thats a big shame, its all about apps.
Couch for the love of god
The average people dont give a damm about most of the things whe do/try to do with our smartphones
Tapping the phone icon brings me to the phone app. It requires at least one more step after that to actually make a call.
Okay no one cares if the average person does or doesn't give a damn about this or that.
It's really this simple: in iOS it usually takes more steps to do the same thing than it would in android. The end. Doesn't matter who prefers what way.
I'm the only one being objective.
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This is a folly line of thought. Every os is "different" but how they're different matters. It's a shame you can't understand that. It really is.
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How they're different matters in varied ways depending on the type of user.
In other words how one OS's method for achieving A differs may matter a lot to you but it may be a lower priority to another type of user and vice versa.
That you think the world revolves around you hence how they differ to you is the only thing that matters...THAT is the "folly line of thought". And the fact that you even said this...
...and this...
...just epitomises that fact. Me me me me me...only me!
How many steps does it take to add said direct dial widget to the home screen?
If I hold down the siri button and say "call my wife", is that really two steps? How long does an action have to be to be "one step" or move into two steps?
How about this?
If I have my phones both locked (with pass code), calling someone (say my wife) takes 2 "couch-steps" from the lock screen. Simply hold down the button, say "call my wife (or whomever)" and done.
On Android, I have a myriad of options - depending on how I've set it up. I can either (1) tap the "Call Ali" shortcut on my dashclock lockscreen widget, which then prompts me to unlock the phone before calling (2 steps), (2) unlock the phone, tap a direct dial widget (2 steps for you perhaps, my direct dial widgets are on my secondary docks so for me its lock, swipe, tap), (3) unlock phone, swipe up on the phone icon (set through Nova, again 2 steps).
Not to mention the fact that direct dial icons take space on your home screen and you likely won't have many on there - hence for some it may only take the one tap of the direct dial but for most of your other contacts, you'll have to exert more of that precious energy.
You are WAY to specific to make sweeping general statements about which OS is BETTER than the other. To make a general statement like that you need to be able to look at EVERY possible way a person might use the phone - I would say I presented a very common situation (two phones with passcodes) in which it takes an equal number of steps at best to call someone.
And as I mentioned earlier, there's a setup involved with many of these android options I never would've known about if I hadn't been interested in learning and asked/did research. You average Joe Schmo won't care to put in that time.....simply tap the phone and either dial the number or tap the contact on their favorites - an easy setup most know how to do.
And to be quite honest, we're arguing about shaving the tiniest fraction off the time and energy it takes to call someone....the benefits are seriously microscopic....the fact that you get so worked up over such small things is really crazy to me.....maybe because I am the complete opposite - hence why you think iOS is some dark, sick joke and I just think its a phone OS that works for me.
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Oh my god we're jibber jabbering about jibber jabber!
Let me ask you a simple question. Do you find it generally easier to use your Android device (doing more things easier, and being able to do more things) than to use your iOS device?
Couch, I don't think most people here are disagreeing that many/most functions CAN be done is fewer steps on Android, primarily because it affords the flexibility to do so. But it still doesn't mean because of it that Android is absolutely better. At least from my perspective it's the sum of one's personal experience.
Not everyone needs to use every last function available on an OS. I'd suspect most people use a very small percentage of it. To that end either OS gets the job done (making calls, texting, occasional web browsing, etc). They don't need infinite sharing options, aren't sending emails with various types of attachments, use their phone as a file transfer device, use VNC, toggle their settings, etc, you get my point. So having all of that added functionality means nothing to most people. And along those same lines, being able to save a second or two in performing a function makes little to no difference. You or I notice because we obsess about our tech and have sampled a variety of devices but you need to be realistic--most people aren't going to get upset because it took an extra touch to make a call.
And believe it or not, there are aspects of the iOS experience that are better and can outweigh the deficiencies. I'll give a personal example. I've used 3 different Android devices over the past 9 months and with varying frequency on all 3 of them, I have problems with reliable bluetooth connectivity, be it my headphones or connecting to my car. I've had to unpair/pair numerous times because my bluetooth connection simply was not functioning properly. Guess how many times I've had the same problem with iOS over the YEARS? Not once. The hassle of having to resolve those bluetooth problems (especially embarrassing when trying to take a call) FAR outweighs the few milliseconds I may lose not having a quick dial contact on my home screen or the extra bit of time it takes to send an attachment (because I have to do it so infrequently).
Another example that I've noticed (again, only my experience) is that any/all of my streaming apps (TuneIn, Pandora, ESPN Radio, or few less used others) function with far greater reliability on iOS--less buffering or lost connections, better sound (at least to my ears), fewer crashes. May not be an issue for someone else but I stream a lot--over bluetooth no less, so these two issues carry significant weight in my smartphone experience.
Point is yes, there are objective measurements of the differences between the 2 OS but what many of us are trying to explain is just because the Android column may have more checkmarks, doesn't mean it's the better experience for US. You clearly value a purely objective comparison and value efficiency. What's important to each of us is going to be different.
My question to you is why does it bother you so much that some people like using iOS?
But using voice control is not always practical. And it is just a pain to do this all the time. I can do the same with Android as well (s-voice).
if you are using dial, then iphone takes at least twice as many steps as android.
On Android
- Lock screen dial widget - one swipe (assuming no lock code)
- put dial icon in notification - pull down, tap
- Swipe lockscreen phone shortcut, press+hold dialpad for speed dial.
Iphone
You need at least 4 taps on iphone - unlock, phone/fav, find contact (on or more scroll), tap to dial.
So sad.
So thin. Screen from end to end like those infinity pools.
I hope Apple makes the iPhone 5 S amazing. Can't wait to upgrade if it is
Yes, the galaxy s4 is amazing. Seems really wonderful.
Just like you, wish the iPhone 5s can bring a lot of new features to us. Better camera, processor, and may be a new UI design, etc. Come on, Apple.
Agreed. This year we're going to see some great Android phones released, the S4 one of them.
I've had iPhones since the first gen, have the iP5 now, and recently I had a week with the HTC One. It's a fantastic phone, but even though it is technically better (specs wise at least) than my iP5, I couldn't let go of the day to day performance experience I get from my iPhone and iOS. Nothing, not even the fastest Android phones can match it, yet. And the gimmicks of Android get old fast during normal daily use when you just want to say... close and switch apps quickly, have a solid backup eco system and all the rest that comes with iOS. All the things great about Android won't cut it for me because it never just runs as well.
I'm almost annoyed that I don't want to switch as i'm bored with iOS. But what am I bored with? It's the UI and screen size plain and simple, not much else. More features would be nice, like NFC but as superficial as it is I'm hating the way iOS looks and it's ruining the experience and making me want to jump ship... Apple also has a terrible way of rolling out new-old features years after they've been out on other phones. It's a great marketing strategy for selling iPhones but ****** annoying to consumers of the iPhone.
It needs a refresh, just like cars and interior design changes with the times so does iOS.
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It's all about preference.
Like you mention switching apps. I find this tremendously easier/better on Android.
This
Vs this
It's no contest for me. Android has a screen shot of exactly where you were vs icons in iOS. More apps are displayed (this may be moot because I'm comparing to a tablet). Its easier to bring up that menu. And much easier to close apps if you wanted to, swipe vs trying to hit a very small red X.
But if you get used to one way that maybe your preferred method.
I agree with you that the way it's presented is better in some ways hence why I want a change (of UI) but it's the consistant performance on iOS that I couldn't replicate on the HTC One or the GS3. Sometimes it was great, other times it lagged or just had a slight dropout here or there and I didn't feel as though the device was as responsive. I wanted it to be.
I'm so used to how quickly iOS responds time after time. When I tried Android on the lastest handsets it wasn't the same time after time. What Android has to offer doesn't yet tempt me over the performance of iOS.
But I agree the presentation on many Android phone for switching and other tasks is better.
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Simple answer: No.
Then again, I may still be in the learning curve stage (have had the N4 for little more than a month). Se below post - the issue is whether or not you see value in someone else's preference, which really is of no consequence to me - just understand that people will disagree with you dismissing their preferences/habits.
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Sure - I was just presenting another way to do the same task that could be seen as easier on iOS (and it's not that far-fetched a scenario). My point was, there are tons of ways people do things based on various setups and preferences (even on iOS). To say one is objectively better/easier to use than the other is simply invalid.
By the way - given I have a "short list" of favorites (they all fit without scrolling), it would take me three steps using the method you propose. We really are arguing over the smallest fraction of effort - and completely forgetting muscle memory and preference (for instance I tend to reach to the same place on my N4 as I would on my iPhone 5 because I do many tasks without thinking. For me, using the iPhone is second nature - much easier. I recognize the same is true the other way as well, hence why I think neither is inherently more laborious or worse than the other. Simply different.)
