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Do you get irritated/raged when having the PC vs Mac debate?
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I'm disgusted when the PC trolls come on a Mac board and try to stir the pot. I also feel this way when a Mac fanatic goes on a PC board. The argument is probably older then most of these trolls.
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I get annoyed at fanboys and people who insist that they are right, when the question is somewhat open-ended and there really is no "right" answer for everybody.
Besides which, as tech keeps changing, your preferences will change too. There was a time I truly felt the PC was a better solution than the Mac was (back in the System 7 to Mac OS 9 days). Then I found OS X and it was absolutely better than XP and its spyware problems. Now things appear to be evening up again and I am beginning to consider buying a PC for video editing work (see the Blu-Ray/Final Cut thread). In the end, I use Windows XP, Windows 7, OS X, all manner of *nix's, and they all have their place.
If people feel the need to "make a statement" then let your actions speak louder than your words. Prove that your system is "better" by doing something useful with it, not by arguing specs. The reason I got "converted" to the Mac was not because my Mac-fan-friend won me over in a technical debate, but because I saw him do something on his Mac that I knew I could not do with my PC, and I said "Whoa, wait a minute, show me that again."
Sometimes it truly does speak for itself, and you get to savour those moments.
A couple of years ago I was doing a slide show for a group of kids at a summer camp. Someone had prepared the photos on his XP laptop and we were trying to connect it to the projector. The kids were all watching the big screen turn alternately blue and black ("no signal") while we struggled to get the laptop to connect with the projector. Then we decided to reboot the laptop. Success! The "Starting Windows" screen showed up, 6 feet wide on the projector screen, and then, while 100 kids watched: BSOD! Everyone laughed and whooped.
A little stressed at this point, we rebooted the PC, off the projector, then I copied the files onto my PowerBook, and plugged it into the projector. Fade to blue, fade back to the extended desktop, and we were in business.
And that's when a kid piped up from the back of the room: ".... and that's why Jay uses a Mac!"
Besides which, as tech keeps changing, your preferences will change too. There was a time I truly felt the PC was a better solution than the Mac was (back in the System 7 to Mac OS 9 days). Then I found OS X and it was absolutely better than XP and its spyware problems. Now things appear to be evening up again and I am beginning to consider buying a PC for video editing work (see the Blu-Ray/Final Cut thread). In the end, I use Windows XP, Windows 7, OS X, all manner of *nix's, and they all have their place.
If people feel the need to "make a statement" then let your actions speak louder than your words. Prove that your system is "better" by doing something useful with it, not by arguing specs. The reason I got "converted" to the Mac was not because my Mac-fan-friend won me over in a technical debate, but because I saw him do something on his Mac that I knew I could not do with my PC, and I said "Whoa, wait a minute, show me that again."
Sometimes it truly does speak for itself, and you get to savour those moments.
A couple of years ago I was doing a slide show for a group of kids at a summer camp. Someone had prepared the photos on his XP laptop and we were trying to connect it to the projector. The kids were all watching the big screen turn alternately blue and black ("no signal") while we struggled to get the laptop to connect with the projector. Then we decided to reboot the laptop. Success! The "Starting Windows" screen showed up, 6 feet wide on the projector screen, and then, while 100 kids watched: BSOD! Everyone laughed and whooped. A little stressed at this point, we rebooted the PC, off the projector, then I copied the files onto my PowerBook, and plugged it into the projector. Fade to blue, fade back to the extended desktop, and we were in business.
And that's when a kid piped up from the back of the room: ".... and that's why Jay uses a Mac!"
Your whole post... that's awesome!I get annoyed at fanboys and people who insist that they are right, when the question is somewhat open-ended and there really is no "right" answer for everybody.
Besides which, as tech keeps changing, your preferences will change too. There was a time I truly felt the PC was a better solution than the Mac was (back in the System 7 to Mac OS 9 days). Then I found OS X and it was absolutely better than XP and its spyware problems. Now things appear to be evening up again and I am beginning to consider buying a PC for video editing work (see the Blu-Ray/Final Cut thread). In the end, I use Windows XP, Windows 7, OS X, all manner of *nix's, and they all have their place.
If people feel the need to "make a statement" then let your actions speak louder than your words. Prove that your system is "better" by doing something useful with it, not by arguing specs. The reason I got "converted" to the Mac was not because my Mac-fan-friend won me over in a technical debate, but because I saw him do something on his Mac that I knew I could not do with my PC, and I said "Whoa, wait a minute, show me that again."
Sometimes it truly does speak for itself, and you get to savour those moments.
A little stressed at this point, we rebooted the PC, off the projector, then I copied the files onto my PowerBook, and plugged it into the projector. Fade to blue, fade back to the extended desktop, and we were in business.
And that's when a kid piped up from the back of the room: ".... and that's why Jay uses a Mac!"
Only thing that rages me is if people are spouting stuff like "Well Windows still has a registry" and expect that to be a real con on Windows.
otherwise I like to hear it.
otherwise I like to hear it.
it brings comedic relief anywhere xD.
But i would just watch and laugh then plug in my linux flash drive and record it. mac has the same hardware as a PC they just have some things a little better done software wise. i had 3 PCs before my macbook pro, and i was fine with windows, then i got mac, and needed to keep all my programs so i bootcamped it first thing. i can still play my music from my mac to my windows partition anyway.
but some points they make are really stupid. "PCs are better because they're cheaper."
so what? they're made to be disposable. i would be surprised if any 500$ laptop lasted more than three years. then you have to go buy another one anyway when i'll still have my mac looking brand new. as specially Acers. the plastic is horrible i picked it up and the whole damn casing cracked on me.
but you dont need to get angry, just be the better man and laugh while walking out the room.
But i would just watch and laugh then plug in my linux flash drive and record it. mac has the same hardware as a PC they just have some things a little better done software wise. i had 3 PCs before my macbook pro, and i was fine with windows, then i got mac, and needed to keep all my programs so i bootcamped it first thing. i can still play my music from my mac to my windows partition anyway.
but some points they make are really stupid. "PCs are better because they're cheaper."
so what? they're made to be disposable. i would be surprised if any 500$ laptop lasted more than three years. then you have to go buy another one anyway when i'll still have my mac looking brand new. as specially Acers. the plastic is horrible i picked it up and the whole damn casing cracked on me.
but you dont need to get angry, just be the better man and laugh while walking out the room.
I don't see there really being a debate. I consider my Macs to be a premium brand, a luxury item I'm willing to pay for while others are not. I remember some time last year there was a report that Apple has something like 90% market share of computers that cost more than $1000.
Camry drivers aren't going to see eye to eye with 3 Series drivers. To each his own.
Camry drivers aren't going to see eye to eye with 3 Series drivers. To each his own.
If the people debating do not realize that advantages exist for each system, as well as significant drawbacks, then they aren't debating in any type of rational fashion and you are wasting your time. Mac people constantly down Windows and get ridiculously defensive towards anyone who admits Windows does certain things better than OS X. Products and services which are 'best' and 'worst' do not exist in a black and white sense anymore; it's about which products best suite the individual's needs. Anyone who is active in this industry must realize this, as well as realize that newer systems are constantly being thrown at them which may suit their needs even better than before.
Well if the report saying that Apple has 90% market share of computers over $1000 holds water, then my assessment is reasonably fair. Macs are widely understood to be rather expensive but stylish. The brand has cachet. A Toyota that matches a BMW in all specs and appearance is still a Toyota. Is that worth it? As I said, to each his own.
I bet they hold a majority, but not THAT much. Add in custom PCs, and who knows. An eMachines laptop is a Camry, sure. What about something like an HP Envy? You have to consider the price point of the Mac and then compare it to similarly-priced PCs.
Bravo on the 3 Series comparison though. I find hardcore Mac users and hardcore BMW owners very similar.
Not a lot of substance, but hey! It's the "ultimate driving machine".Since there are not many Mac users around here, I would say no. But you can get this kind of debate about different things too. I remember how a classmate in high school always tried to argue that the PC games magazine he was buying was better than the one I was buying. Fortunately, I was wise enough to end such debates before they started properly.
But you can get this kind of debate about different things too. I remember how a classmate in high school always tried to argue that the PC games magazine he was buying was better than the one I was buying. Fortunately, I was wise enough to end such debates before they started properly.
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This is a pretty bad PC vs Mac thread. The mods should close it and delete all the posts. *My* PC vs Mac thread is much better! It offers more intense debate! Greater variety of opinions! Easier to contribute!
Nah I don't care so much. The mac does have its disadvantages but what annoys me is the people who simply jump on the bandwagon and compare an 8 year old mac to a current PC, etc.
Fact is even though I am using a Dell at the moment I've been using my old macbook (which I gave to my sister) and in some ways Windows 7 simply cannot match the performance of the Mac OS in my opinion. I've been using the mac while she's away for about 4 months and I've done some programming on it etc so its being used the same way as my dell but it simply feels significantly faster in general usage for a first gen core duo 1.83 ghz processor (dell is core duo 2 2.4ghz) and even my girlfriend's i5-based HP lags behind in some ways compared to the mac.
So people are missing out on that, really. Its their issue, don't worry too much.
I've never been in a debate over PC vs Mac. I always say, "No point in using a screwdriver as a hammer." I then proceed into a spiel on using the right tools for the right job. Some things are better done on OS X, others are better done on Windows and some others are better done on Linux. Use what works best.
Of course, this irks a number of fanbois (in both camps) who are so blinded by their platform loyalty that they refuse to acknowledge another platforms superiority in ANY category. I usually capitulate at the point knowing anything I say would only fall on deaf ears.
Of course, this irks a number of fanbois (in both camps) who are so blinded by their platform loyalty that they refuse to acknowledge another platforms superiority in ANY category. I usually capitulate at the point knowing anything I say would only fall on deaf ears.
Yeah, it's a platform pride/loyalty debate. And I wouldn't say it's a PC vs MAC debate. Many PC's are almost the exact same computers as Apple's. (Especially what they're calling now, the HP Macbook Pro (which I was actually pretty impressed by).
Here's my take on it. I use an i7 HP machine that runs OSX and Windows. I use an i7 Macbook Pro. If I plugged both into external monitors; you wouldn't know which machine was which. They clock within 2 seconds of each other on everything I do.
So it's more-so Windows vs OSX. In which case, we all have different preferences.
Here's my take on it. I use an i7 HP machine that runs OSX and Windows. I use an i7 Macbook Pro. If I plugged both into external monitors; you wouldn't know which machine was which. They clock within 2 seconds of each other on everything I do.
So it's more-so Windows vs OSX. In which case, we all have different preferences.
The number of 91% reported by NPD in 2009 is not of market-share but of revenue share. However this doesn't change the big picture: Apple utterly dominates that price segment for PC sales.
It doesn't because no report ever said that. Apple has over 90% revenue share of computers over 1000$.
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/07/apple-nabs-91-of-premium-computer-market-in-june.ars
What I did in a similar situation as the OP was I went up to the guy and his fully spec'd i7 laptop with 8GB of ram i was arguing with and raced him in a reboot to windows with my mid '09 2.66 C2D with 4gb ram. I booted in 12 seconds to windows 7 and he took 58 seconds. It was a glorious 46 seconds....
I didn't actually say I had an SSD in my MBP
But did shut him up
I didn't actually say I had an SSD in my MBP
But did shut him up
What I did in a similar situation as the OP was I went up to the guy and his fully spec'd i7 laptop with 8GB of ram i was arguing with and raced him in a reboot to windows with my mid '09 2.66 C2D with 4gb ram. I booted in 12 seconds to windows 7 and he took 58 seconds. It was a glorious 46 seconds....
I didn't actually say I had an SSD in my MBP
But did shut him up
You know what I do in a similar situation ? Walk away and ignore. You know, the mature thing to do.